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Old August 22nd, 2003, 10:07 AM
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Do you really go on a cruise to look at other people and what they wear?

When I cruise I look at the ship,the entertainment, the food on my plate and the ports of call. I don't care what other people look like, whether they are fat, thin, beautiful, ugly, well dressed or poorly dressed(whatever that means).I have shared tables with very smartly dressed people who were a pain in the **** and with casually dressed people who were fabulous company, and vice versa. It really is of no importance to me or my enjoyment of the cruise experience.

Enjoy the experience for yourself, don' t worry about what other people are doing or wearing.
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Do you really go on a cruise to look at other people and what they wear?
This kind of hyperbole seems like an attempt to discredit those who advocate following a dress code. No, we don't go on a cruise just to look at what other people wear. Nor do we go on a cruise just to make sure that people don't cut lines at the buffet or just to make sure that people wear the right size of swimwear. That kind of false argument is a cheap shot to discredit those with an opposing view.

Following the mandated dress code is just one of many things that help make a cruise experience more pleasant. It's not the most important thing about cruising. No one would make such a claim. Don't portray those who attach some importance to it as obsessive, intolerant fogies. It's only completely unimportant to people who are unconcerned with the sensibilities of their fellow passengers..

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Old August 22nd, 2003, 11:48 AM
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I agree tr cruiser!
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Old August 22nd, 2003, 12:15 PM
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I agree too trcruiser. Well said.

Here's a scenario for those who don't care if other's follow the dress code. You and your wife dress in tux and gown for formal night. She's elegantly adorned in the jewels you've bought her over the years. Her hair was professionally done at the salon this afternoon. Your tux is impeccable and your shoes are sparkling.

You are escorted to your table and order a fine champagne for the dinner. In walks your table mates. Sloppy tennis shoes, dirty ball cap turned backwards, greasy and torn T-shirts.

It's their vacation. They should be able to dress any way they choose. Right? For me, I hope the Maitre 'D is enforcing the dress code.

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Old August 22nd, 2003, 01:15 PM
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Heck, I could care less what the other passengers wear as long as it is clean and doesn't smell.. For sure, I would rather sit next to a person wearing jeans than a man or woman dressed in fancy clothes that smell like stale smoke or mothballs. Life is too short to be concerned about other peoples dress. Enjoy yourself! It might be later than you think!
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Old August 22nd, 2003, 07:17 PM
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Gilly and Paul B--- not meaning to stir the pot or any disrespect, but if you don't like to be around and dine with folks who like to clean up for dinner a couple of times a year, then do you or do you not cruise on the "informal" lines like NCL---if not and you cruise on Celebrity, RCCL, Carnival, etc. then why do you choose these lines, knowing in advance they ask you to clean up twice a week for dinner ??
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Old August 22nd, 2003, 10:28 PM
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To trcruiser

I notice that you cruise with Crystal Cruises.

Enough said. Here is the class thing again.

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Old August 22nd, 2003, 10:44 PM
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Let's not get personal Ron, there are more people than Gilly and Paul B. who feel that it's not anything to get your knickers in a snit about( regarding what others wear for formal night) . As for advising others to take a different cruise line, perhaps the same could be said for the people who really want and need everyone to dress formally, there are cruise lines like Seaborn and Crystal where the atmoshpere is quite formal. Princess, Hal., RCCL., etc. are in fact mid market mass cruise lines.They are for the bulk of the cruise market, they are not the elite.
As to the scenerio painted in a post about someone's wife being dressed up with done up hair and jewels, yuck it sounded kind of like he wanted to show off his wife. It kind of creeped me out. Just so you know, I dress up for formal night, but I really do not care what others do, as long as they have pleasant personalties I don't care if they came to dinner in their underwear (lol) My one stipulation is no body odour! (Or at least not much, lol)

This is always a hot topic on any board and I don't think anyone will ever finish or win this argument, so let's just agree to disagree and hopefully people will enjoy thier cruise regardless.

Wait great idea!! What about if on formal night people who have cruised on Princess and therefore have a choice insist that when seated ( in the personal choice dining room) that they will not sit at a table with people who are not attired properly. I mean they shouldn't be mean about it, just firm, maybe the maitre'd would be fussier about who he admitted to the dining room. Just a thought.
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Old August 22nd, 2003, 11:29 PM
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Dear PG;
Wasn't getting my knickers in a snit nor really trying to get " personal "---if you read the first sentence I said " not meaning to stir the pot or any disrespect "--
just trying to find out how other people feel and reach their conclusions.
How can we " agree to disagree " if we can't learn where the other person / people are coming from?

About a mile from my house is a fine old Victorian style hotel with a fine restaurant.
Shorts and casual clothes are ok for breakfast and lunch. Come dinner time, they require at least a coat. Why would I venture there for dinner wearing shorts, cap and etc. knowing full well before I go what they require as far as dress for dinner? I have seen people turned away because of their lack of dress. Was it " snooty, uppity, a class thing, etc--"---no. Just that they set the rule and if you want to comply, fine. If not, thats fine too but you don't get in. Not really too difficult to understand.
Just trying to understand how some can't or won't comply and think that because there are "rules" or dress "codes " that that makes us who do respect and comply with same "uppity, snooty, rich, stinky, mothballie, showing off our wives, etc, etc. "
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Old August 23rd, 2003, 12:05 AM
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"About a mile from my house is a fine old Victorian style hotel with a fine restaurant.
Shorts and casual clothes are ok for breakfast and lunch. Come dinner time, they require at least a coat."

Your analogy uses the word require, on Carnival formal attire is suggested. I think there is a big difference. I think what most people that disagree with you are saying is that they plan on dressing up (at least somewhat) for formal night but what others wear is not going to have a huge impact on their cruise. As such, it almost seems comical to see how it apparently ruins the evening for people who put so much stock into dressing up.
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Old August 23rd, 2003, 11:14 AM
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With great reluctance, I put on a suit and tie for formal nights (never a tux) on all my cruises,
but I could care less what others wear. I mind my own business. I don't think I would care to cruise on Crystal , since it might have a bunch of "snooty" people who would judge me by my dress. Also, I figure that I can cruise twice on RCI, Princess or Carnival for the cost of one cruise on Crystal. The clothes do not make the man. The man makes the clothes!
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Maybe it's because I live in Los Angeles, but there are very few restaurants that you can't go into in shorts and polo shirt. Yes, some of the older places have dress codes, but I have yet to be in any current restaurant that doesn't have people dressed casually. Personally, I dress up for dinner on formal night because it's the custom and expected, but I really don't care how anyone else dresses. I agree, I am interested in the quality of the food and the service. What someone else wears at dinner is as unimportant to me as whether you've shaved or gotton a haircut. I'm into the food and the table conversation. I don't have time to worry about what everyone else is doing. If it's not bothering them, it should'nt bother you.

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TR, well said, Thomas I'll back you up on blaming it on Doc Spock. Any self respecting person cruising would read the dailies on board ship and dress accordingly. If you don't, then I believe that you don't have any respect for yourself or anyone else. Enough said.

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Old August 24th, 2003, 12:06 PM
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I have been on 18 cruises, and have met many different people at the dinner table. The most polite and nicest gentleman I have ever met wore jeans and a necktie to formal night. He was a Texan who built homes and owned a small ranch. It is not what is on you, it is what is in you that makes a person what he is!
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Old August 24th, 2003, 12:50 PM
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There are NO RULES that state the dress code. There are SUGGESTED dress guidelines. People who do not follow them are not conduct disordered. Get over it . Mind your own bees knees and be nice to people based on how they act NOT how they look.
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judge people for how they act not how they look......what a unique idea.

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Old August 24th, 2003, 06:12 PM
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You may be able to do that sometimes, but I think we might also learn from our wild animal friends in the jungle. If it looks like a predator, changes are real good that it is a predator. You may not be able to judge a book by it's cover, but more often than not, you can get a pretty good idea what it's about from the cover. Sorry, but I couldn't resist.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 08:59 PM
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Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I hope I never start judging people by their "covers" I know that would be just wrong. I learned that when I was just a child , and it's kept me safe for a long time. The "nicest crook in the book" can dress like a million bucks and still have a dark soul.
Dressing up is not a sign of moral superiority, I know that for a fact , because as I stated earlier I dress up and I know Mother Teresa was a way better human being then I will ever be lol.
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Why do you suppose the cruiseline "suggests" formal attire on two nights? What is the impetus for this suggestion? What is their motive?

I would surmise they are trying to create an atmosphere a couple of nights a week conducive to the customer's wishes. Trying to please the customer is good business.

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Old August 25th, 2003, 10:10 AM
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Oh, I would never judge anyone on how they dress. In the first place, we can't always afford to dress like the king or queen. All I'm saying is that we are all a part of a society and when a certain code of conduct or dress is expected, we should, as members of that society, endeavor to comply with it as best we can. No man is an island. If you are just spoiling for an argument because I hurt your feeling, and you know who you are, get over it. That's behavior for spoiled little kids, not adults. Don't be so thin skinned and get a life. Have a great day!
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"Why do you suppose the cruiseline "suggests" formal attire on two nights? What is the impetus for this suggestion? What is their motive?

I would surmise they are trying to create an atmosphere a couple of nights a week conducive to the customer's wishes. Trying to please the customer is good business."

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Thomas, MONEY. While it is probably the wish of the majority of their customers to have formal nights, I believe the number one reason that they promote formal nights is because it is more profitible. Everyone who dresses up wants pictures ($) and if you are dressed fancy perhaps you will be more inclined to order that bottle of expensive champagne for your table (more $).
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I suppose you're right Roscoe. We've never bought formal pictures and don't buy expensive champagne either so they're not making any $$ off of us.

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Just got back off the Holiday and I seen 2 girls in blue jeans and a man in cowboy boots and blue jeans and his wife was in black pants and a halter top. They did not turn these people away on formal night. They ate in the dinning room without a word said to them. So obviously it can't be mandatory.

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I wonder how many cruisers who are dressed in their fine clothes and jewelry on formal nights wind up the next day wearing ugly T shirts, baggy shorts and dirty sneakers for all the natives on shore to witness. Can you say "ugly Americans?"
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Midway through a game of golf one hot summer day, Harpo Marx and George Burns elected to finish the round without their shirts. Upon returning to the clubhouse, the were rather pointedly reminded of a rule forbidding members form playing topless.
"That's an outrage, " Burns protested. "We can go swimming on a public beach without a top. Why do we have to wear one here?" "Sorry," said the manager. "A rule is a rule."
The next day the pair reappeared on the course and played 18 holes wearing shirts as required. News of the pair's outrageous appearance, however, soon reached the manager, who intercepted the jokers on the 18 green, demanding an explanation.
"ou were right," Harpo declare. "The rules say you have to wear a shirt, but they don't say a word about wearing pants."

Common sense should prevail where different venues require or suggest what type of clothing should or should not be worn.
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What is an ugly T Shirt?...baggy shorts are in...tennis shoes get dirty. I doubt anyone on shore would think you are an ugly American because of that. <G>

Sheila...maybe their baggage got lost..??? Every cruise someone's baggage is lost or mis-placed for a couple days. Has happened to us. We should never be too quick to judge .

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Old August 25th, 2003, 05:14 PM
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Myles, You have not hurt my feelings, and I would appriecate if you would keep in mind this is an open forum where everyone is allowed to state their thoughts and feelings. I believe that for some reason you have decided to always be on the other side of the fence.of me and therefore in your mind have created some sort of competition between us. You are entitled to your opinion and as I stated earlier I am entilted to mine. I don't think it needs to get personal and no I am not thin skinned.By the way, have a great day!
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Excuse me Rick but no where in my statement did I judge anyone. I simply stated that it mustn't be mandatory to dress formal since these people was not turned away. I was only replying to the topic. Please read post more careful before you accuse someone of such a thing. I could careless if people came to formal night in there bra and underwear it doesn't bother my meal at all.

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I'm going on a nude cruise in a few months. I have been pondering what to wear on formal night---a regular tie with nothing else or my old favorite--- a loud polka-dot bow tie ! God, even without clothes there is still confusion and decisions!
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If certain cruise lines (i.e. Carnival) wanted everyone in formal wear on formal night they would REQUIRE it instead of SUGGEST it. Carnival attracts a wide range of age groups (especially many in their 20's and 30's). Younger generations are more casual and place less importance on dressing up. Very soon this generation will be the majority that is cruising. Society in general is getting more casual. Here on the West Coast it is very common to see people in very nice jean or very nice bermuda shorts in your nicer restaurants in San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco. No one bats an eye.

I enjoy the Mexican Riviera cruises, as they attrack more west cost folks than those from middle America or the east coast. The folks out here are more laid back and have a more live-and-let-live attitude.
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