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PaigeTurner August 18th, 2003 07:02 PM

Not following dress code
We recently went on the Millennium, and we had read everywhere about the dress code and that the dining room should be treated as a 5-star restaurant and that no jeans would be permitted in the dining rooms. Each day, the type of dress for the night would be indicated and specified on the daily itinerary. It never once said jeans were allowed. Yet not only on casual nights, but also informal, I noticed people wearing jeans, t-shirts, sweat pants, sweatshirts and other articles of clothing that do not even count as casual. It just really infuriates me to see these people waltz in looking like they just went out for a jog, while others are dressed up. I also don't like the fact that although the cruise lines say they will enforce this dress code and certain things aren't permitted, they still allow people to do whatever they want. I guess the customer is always right. Nevertheless it still irritates me. I'm not saying people need to be dressed in ball gowns or anything, just dressed half decently.

Jim Munkittrick August 19th, 2003 05:57 AM

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Oh yeah, hot topic!
You just broken the golden rule!...demanding people RESPECT others!
you will be informed that it is their #(#*$&%^ cruise and they will dress any way they want! These are the same folks that make excuses for their ill trained children. They are the ones that don't see a problem by throwing their beer bottle out the car window on I-95. They are the ones that will gladly inform you that if you don't like thier inability to be civil, then you can just )(*&^$###@!!!!!!
By the way, I agree with you!

PS..if you are not in the dining room, you can spot these folks, they are the ones asking everyone what they paid for their cruise.

Thulewx August 19th, 2003 06:11 AM

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And the ones who "reserve" 25 chairs by the pool and 25 chairs front-row-center for the shows, right next to the sign that says you can't do that. They're commonly known as idiots or boors.

Thomas August 19th, 2003 11:00 AM

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There are always going to be people like that on cruises, and until the cruiselines start enforcing there own policies you will always encounter them in the dining room.

Now I come from a different era than some of today's cruisers, but when the newlywed table next to us had 6 couples at it and every night, including formal night, the one couple was in shorts, t-shirts, and baseball caps, that to me was inappropriate.


Paul B August 19th, 2003 11:04 AM

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Guess that I might get in trouble for saying this, but my main concern in the dining room is the food that is on my plate. Mellow out! Live and let live!

LisaK August 19th, 2003 12:13 PM

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couldn't agree with you more, now if the cruise ships would only enforce their own dress code policy. It would be a real ballsy (sorry!) move for the cruise line but I bet it would be well-received by the majority of cruisers, and it wouldn't take long for the word to get around that such-and such a cruise line is enforcing their dress code policy and you will be requested to return to your stateroom and change or to choose an alternative dining venue other than the main dining room. That way you would know what to expect.

Gilly August 19th, 2003 03:17 PM

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Does it really matter to you all if someone else decides that they want to wear jeans. Does it really infringe upon your enjoyment of the cruise?

Myles August 19th, 2003 05:09 PM

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I once went to a western style wedding and the groom, best man and ushers were wearing starched jeans, western style jacket, boots, and string tie. So I suppose jeans could be considered formal wear in certain combinations of clothing in some circles.

Rick August 19th, 2003 05:26 PM

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I paid for MY cruise and will wear what I want to wear. I dont tell others what to wear...don't tell me. Spend less time worrying about what others are doing and enjoy your cruise.

Alaska Bound August 19th, 2003 07:00 PM

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I Agree. I paid for my cruise and I don't care what the ships rules or guidelines are. How dare Princess tell me I can't have children with me in the first 3 rows at shows or wear my robe thru the Atrium on the way to the Casino.

Chuck Palm August 19th, 2003 07:10 PM

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I don't think it hurts anybody to put on a pair of dockers and a clean shirt with a collar on it to dine in the dining room. If people want to wear sweat pants and tank tops they can do that at the casual dining locations or with room service.

In many restaurants, people not dressed according to the mood of the restaurant are often seated by the frequently swinging door to the kitchen or the dishwashing station.
Water finds its own level.

Marc August 19th, 2003 07:15 PM

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Rick, you were being sarcastic, weren't you? If not, I (IMHO) think you owe paige an apology; you were kind of rough on her.

marc levin

Kar06 August 20th, 2003 10:41 AM

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Cruise lines have their rules, if you don't like them, choose another cruise line. If you don't want to dress for dinner, go to the buffet, or go on Norwegian or one of the more casual cruise lines. I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding that. If you were at a five star resort or even just a fancy restaurant, you don't wear your shorts & tee shirts! Nothing is different about a cruise. Except you are on it for a 3-7 days (most cruisers who gripe about attire seem to go on the shorter cruises I have observed...) instead of 2-3 hrs in the case of a restaurant. FOLLOW THE RULES!

That said, maybe if the cruise lines enforced their rules more strictly, we wouldn't be having this argument.

Paul B August 20th, 2003 11:00 AM

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They would also probably have fewer passengers.

Jim Bragg August 20th, 2003 11:43 AM

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To those that give the excuse that they paid for their cruise and should be allowed to do as they please how about looking at it from the other side. We ALSO paid for our cruise and have been told there are certian rules and expectations and we expect those rules to be followed? I would not want to go to an expensive dining facility for a romantic dinner that portents to have a 'fine dining' experiance and has a sign on the door that says coat and tie recommended and have some group plop down at the next table in cutoffs and sleeveless shirts! Two sides to the story and I say get over your selfish attitude. There are rules of etiquette that reasonable and civilized people should try and follow. Maybe that is part of what is wrong with todays society, too many people flaunting the rules of good behaviour. Of course I also get ticked off at people wearing hats while eating, and I don't much care where it is.

nushnakka August 20th, 2003 12:15 PM

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Thank you Jim! I saw a post on another topic and they referred to the cruiseline rules as taking the rules with a grain of salt, pa-lease! I don't think the cruiselines enforcing the rules would have fewer customers after all you do have the option to dine buffet for those who don't want to dress up. Even my kids who are 16 & 21 dress up appropriately for dinner and see those who don't and wonder why they can't make the effort for a couple hours!

LisaK August 20th, 2003 12:40 PM

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Point to Ponder: making the effort to look exceptional and handsome has some very very positive rewards. I don't know about you, but i feel extra confident, beautiful and sexy when i make that extra effort , and your efforts will get noticed-- a great ego boost when your SO and others tell you that you look great. For you men, haven't you noticed that women love a well-groomed man in a tux (think James Bond) or a well-tailored suit.That being said, its only for 2 nights on a 7 day cruise so wear that beautiful gown, and that well-tailored suit or tux and totally enjoy yourself, make the effort for your own ego. think about it.

sasco August 20th, 2003 01:32 PM

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Gilly, YES, it does infringe on my enjoyment of my cruise if the guy sitting next to me is wearing jeans of formal night. Kar06 sums up me feelings perfectly.

Gary Karschnick August 20th, 2003 05:04 PM

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I agree. That's why there are dress codes. If it didn't matter, there would be no codes. It does disturb my ambiance of what I expect and have been told to expect and have paid to expect.

Andee August 20th, 2003 08:15 PM

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I really feel sad for people who get "infuriated" by what other people are wearing, and let it "infringe on their enjoyment of the cruise". To let a wonderful vacation be spoiled by what someone else wears is such a shame.

Ron August 20th, 2003 08:21 PM

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Was out for dinner a couple of days ago and saw something that impressed me--- a fellow actually took off his baseball cap when he came in. I really felt like going over and congratulating him for having some manners.

As far as the debate over cleaning up / not cleaning up on cruises, I am afraid it is pointless to even hope it will change for the better. It's been said so many times before --IF the cruise lines would only stop people at the door who aren't properly dressed, it would solve the problem. I really don't think a cruise line would lose many customers because they weren't allowed in the dining room in shorts, tanks, etc.

The one thing that I simply can't understand is why some people feel they can't clean up one week out of the year. I feel everyone knows when they go on a cruise that there are guidelines that are supposed to be adhered to re/ dress for dinner. If a person feels they can't comply, then book NCL or some other line that has no guide lines.

I have never seen anyone turned away from the dining room on any cruise line regardless of how they were "dressed" but have seen people turned away from nice restaurants for their lack of dress. Whats the difference?

Jim Bragg August 20th, 2003 09:49 PM

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I actually have sen people stopped at the door and informed that they were not in the 'approprate attire for dining' and they were asked to please either dress approprately or dine in the informal Lido area. That Maitre D' got a big thank you, handshake and a fat tip from us. I think I will start making it a point to point out to the Maitre D' that I hope he has the courage to insist on approprate dining attire on the cruise and also report the enforcement and expectation that it should be enforced on the comment cards. The home office DOES see these cards and take them to heart. I've seen nice jeans in the dining room on casual nights and don't really have much of a problem with that, especially from those who normally dress in this fashion and even on formal nights I have seen formal jeans. (Yeah I did my time as a cowboy in my youth, a real one too) but I do expect people to be respectful of the requested attire. If you want to dress sloppy, then go camping or something.

Paul B August 20th, 2003 11:27 PM

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I am really not sure who I would prefer to dine with, the people in jeans or those who complain about them. I still think that life is too short to get disturbed over what other people wear as long as their thongs are neat and clean!!

Gilly August 21st, 2003 07:10 AM

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Well said Paul, but I will take it one step further. I would much rather dine with people in jeans then people who complain about them.

tr cruiser August 21st, 2003 09:47 AM

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Well, I wouldn't mind dining with some of the people here who advocate following the dress code because they believe it's important to do things in consideration of others. Life is too short to ignore the rules and always think of one's self.

LisaK August 21st, 2003 10:01 AM

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I have one more thing to say then i will end my response to this thread. If you choose not to follow the rules that's up to you, but Its a simple thing called common courtesy and respect for others. If you don't want to expend the time and effort to get dressed-up on formal night, that's fine with me, opt out of the main dining room in respect and courtesy for those who decided to get dressed-up and who wish to dine in a formal atmosphere

sasco August 21st, 2003 11:36 AM

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Andee....I can't speak for the others but it does not "infuriate me" when dress codes are not met. As one of the posters above points out, it just takes away from the ambiance. That ambiance is what makes cruises special to us.

sasco August 21st, 2003 11:38 AM

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I do agree with Paul B.....a clean thong is key!

Andee August 21st, 2003 06:57 PM

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I was quoting the original poster when I used the word "infuriated".

Thomas August 22nd, 2003 07:55 AM

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I blame it all on Dr. Spock!

Will anybody back me up on this?????


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