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Old August 18th, 2003, 07:39 PM
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When was the last time you saw the hot tubs by the main pool NOT crammed with children?

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Like you suggest, the hot tubs tend to be kiddie pools. I never use the hot tub unless it's after midnight and there is, maybe, one other couple in it. My gripe though is the hot tubs are never hot! I've yet to find one whose temperature I would consider soothing.

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Old August 19th, 2003, 11:52 AM
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I'll keep that in mind, Mike. If the Norwegian Sky has an itinerary I like at a price I like, it might be the factor which pulls me in. I've never been on Norwegian but think I might enjoy the freestyle dining as a change of pace.

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Old August 19th, 2003, 12:05 PM
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I never bathe in people soup let alone kid soup.
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Old August 19th, 2003, 12:31 PM
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I was at a hotel this past weekend and their hot tub was full of kids too, it is not just a cruise happening. There were 3 little boys (about 8 or so I would guess) that were using it to perfect their cannonballing technique. Everytime they jumped in I cringed thinking about how the water was only about 3 feet deep in the middle of the hot tub. But their parents were too busy with their own party to care what the kids were doing in the pool. It's too bad.
I'm not a hot tubber, it bothers my heart murmer, but when it says adults only I shouldn't be the only one who notices.
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Old August 19th, 2003, 01:18 PM
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Parents take note: HOT TUBS ARE NOT GOOD FOR KIDS, THE HOT WATER CAN SCALD LITTLE ONES, AND THE EXCESSIVE HEAT ISN'T GOOD FOR THEM EITHER. (SORRY FOR YELLING)! but maybe it will get some attention. The cruise lines should post this type of information next to the hot tubs and in the daily newsletter.
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Old August 19th, 2003, 04:58 PM
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Nice to see I am not alone. RCL tends to not keep their tubs hot either; at least not theraputically so. The one inside the spa on the Voyager class at least has some minerals or something in it. I guess its a liability issue for them. They should try to have 1 or 2 adult only hot ones.

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Old August 19th, 2003, 06:17 PM
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Boy, you can say that again about the Norwegian Sky. It was so hot that it sobered me up and I had been drinking all evening long. That was hot enough to cure hemorrhoids.
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Old August 21st, 2003, 12:16 PM
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I'm with Paul B. on this one.

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Old August 23rd, 2003, 12:09 AM
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Most hot tubs are not that hot, and frankly they should have a kids only hot tub. I have never understood why some people feel the kids don't have the same rights as they do. Don't give me the health concern slant, people with hypertension should also not use the tubs but who stops them. The water is not going to scald them that's just silly, unless we are discussing an infant, just get off the kid bashing. If you don't want kids in the tub because you want a quiet soak just admit it . Fair enough.By the way I know you are all aware that NO ONE should stay in a hot tub for more than10 or 15 minutes. I often see adults sitting in the tubs for much longer thatn that. It isn't good for them .
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Old August 23rd, 2003, 09:28 PM
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pg--Adults should be able to make their own decisions--right or wrong--while children are usually incapable of knowing how long to stay in hot water. Cruise lines don't allow children in hot tubs because of the possible liabilities of an overheated or dehydrated child. If an adult decides he is immune to the dangers of very hot water, he is responible for the consequences. Children should NOT be in hot tubs, even if the only reason is that the cruise lines forbid it. It is not "kid bashing"; it is just following the rules and common sense.
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Old August 23rd, 2003, 10:11 PM
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Adults do not all have common sense. Irest my case.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 11:19 AM
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Yes, that is certainly correct and I think you just demonstrated that point very nicely!
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Old August 24th, 2003, 01:56 PM
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"it was so hot and I had been drinking all day long" Gee Myles is it common sense to drink all day long and then get into a hot tub!?! I believe that would have been a very dangerous thing to do. Alcohol is dehrydrating, so it the hot tub, so really, adults DO have to be careful and display common sense also. Kids have rights.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 02:02 PM
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Sorry on re-,reading your post you actually said" drinking all evening long" not 'all day long"
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Old August 24th, 2003, 03:38 PM
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The topic is that hot tubs are not kiddies pools. I don't think of it as kid bashing to state, that indeed, hot tubs are not kiddie pools. I think most reasonable people will agree that children in the hot tub with adult supervision is not the problem. Some children in the hot tub, ones who can conduct themselves with respect for OTHERS and understand that there is a big difference between the hot tub and the pool, are not the problem. Children running wild, doing canonballs, playing Marco Polo, etc. in the hot tub, now that is a problem. And no, I don't believe that children have the same rights as Adults. While it is true that not all adults have the correct degree of common sense, it is at least reasonable to expect that they do. As for children, we don't expect their judgement to be appropriate. That's why we call them children and that's why adults are responsible to supervise said children.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 07:33 PM
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That is very true that the hot tub is dehydrating, but because of that it allows the body to dispose of toxins through sweat glands which are opened by the circulating hot water in the tub. That's the reason it's a good course of action to soak, if you think you may have consumed too much alcohol. It's a lot better than waking up with a hangover, which would indicate good judgement, and besides, if I knew to do that, it's likely that I didn't have all that much to drink. How much can one drink in an evening anyway? We're only talking about the time between the late sitting dinner and 11:00 pm.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 09:36 PM
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An interesting therory Myles, let's just hope that someone doesn't drink too much and then pass out in a hot tub trying to get rid of "toxins"( booze). Let's also hope that at that late at night all the kiddies are in bed and not roaming the decks lol.
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Old August 25th, 2003, 12:53 AM
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Here here Roscoe! I have no problem with responsible young adults enjoying a hot tub. However, It is not a place for children who have questionable bladder control or who want to play. When adults (who pay for the cruise incidently) can't enjoy a soak because it is crammed with children, there is something wrong. And NO, children do NOT have the same rights as adults. When I hear people say that it sounds like the type of new age pop psychology crap that is ruining so many perfectly good children. Children are children. They are not adults, do not have the same rights as adults, and should not be participating in adult activities. This is NOT child bashing, it is parent bashing. The parents should have the common sense to determine if it is appropriate for their child to be in the tub.

Lets review a few scenarios and tell me what you think

Scenario 1:
6-8 people enjoying the tub - just enough personal space to be comfortable
1 parent enters tub
2 children squeeze everyone else to the sides when they join mommy

What should parent do?
a) Tell children to wait until there is a little more room
b) Nothing - This is perfectly fine


Scenario 2:
Kids without parents are splashing each other and playing games in the tub. Parent Walks up to tub.

What should parent do?
a) Tell kids they should not be in tub without them and to get out
b)Join children in the tub play along with them
c) Put sunscreen on children and leave.

Not enough "A" type responses for my liking, how about you?

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Old August 25th, 2003, 11:21 AM
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Oh, don't worry about it, pg. You worry about you and I'll worry about me and everything will be just great. Obviously, I hurt your feeling and you're having a problem with it, but you'll get over it. This thread is supposed to be about "Hot Tubs are not Kiddie Pools" so if you're through lashing out, I suggest we get back to the subject. Have a great day.
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Old August 25th, 2003, 12:11 PM
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jasonalec, we are definitely in agreement that there should be a lot more "A" responses. I would even allow in your first scenario that it would also be just fine and teach the children proper manners and social interaction, if the parents would just ask, "Gee, it's a little crowded right now, would anyone mind if we got in as well? Because if it is a problem we will be glad to come back later." I would probably offer up my spot to help reinforce the lesson the parents were teaching. BTW, I have a hot tub at home so the novelty of it doesn't really exist for me anymore.
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When I first heard that kids used the hot tubs as kiddie pools, I thought it was an exageration... It wasn't until I saw someone post a photo in the gallery showing a bunch of kids playing in the hot tub... I even saw a kid with goggles... Geesh!

I can promise you all one thing, my daughter will not be one of those kids!!!

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If the rules are posted that no children should be in the hot tubs, then no children should be in the hot tubs! It's not up to the parents to decide whether or not that rule applies to THEIR children, any more than the other rules are arbitrary. It's a matter of consideration and respect, not to mention starting the kiddies off with proper social behaviors such as obeying a simple rule.

The reason hot tubs are not very hot is likely due to some parent suing a cruiseline because their kid that wasn't supposed to be in the pool to begin with was scalded, dehydrated, or injured doing cannonballs!

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The problem isn't the kids in the hot tubs, it's the parents. I allow my children to use hot tubs in the same way I do. Briefly, quietly, and as a form of relaxation. I wouldn't bring a toddler in a hottub, but I have no problem sharing one with an older well-behaved child. It's not good for anyone to stay in a hottub for a prolonged period of time.
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Your right it is the parents fault, how many parents do you see in this picture?



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Do you allow your children to use the hot tubs which are designated as adults only?

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Ok here's my two cents for what it's worth. Lots of great post on this subject. But I have to say to the statement that "kids have rights too". Yes they do. They have the right to be fed, provided a place to live, clothes on their back and a right to an education. All the other rights are earned as they grow older. Until they are 18 they are children and must follow the rules of their parents and that's that. They must also obey the laws set by this country and follow all rules of places they are at. Yes we all have rights but even adults have rules and laws they must obey also. Like it or lump it. But if the sign says no children in the hot tub then they need to not be in it. The poster that said that children have rights has me picturing a bunch of little kids with picket signs walking around the hot tub protesting.

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Old September 4th, 2003, 03:17 PM
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Well I can agree that abuses happen ( good photo) but I have 2 points,
I would have to pay the full rate for my 13 year old on the cruise so why shouldn't he be allowed to use all the facilities that were legal for him to do so ( Obviously not he bars or casinos). ( I
have 3 kids so we would pay for 2 cabins so the 13 year old becomes an adult fare)
And if there were no adults in a hottub and a well behaved child wanted to sit in the tub with their parent I personally just don't have a problem with that.
The photo was a good example of what we wouldn't want to see but on the other hand it really is up to parents to watch what their kids are doing and to use common sense and no rules in the world will change that.
Running screaming and jumping around are NEVER acceptable behaviour whether it be in the hot tub or in the hallways. I just believe that placing a rule that disqualifies all children because of a few rude ones is not fair, We don't ban all men from bars ,but let me tell you I have seen some terrible behavior from the young male( and older) of our species!! ( yes men you can replace the word males with females) .
You can't legislate good manners and common decency( what a shame )
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Old September 4th, 2003, 03:43 PM
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The RULES are there for a reason, whether or not you want to abide by them. I don't see what there is to argue about.

It is not just on cruise ships that children aren't allowed in hot tubs. Most places don't let kids in the hot tubs. It is not good for them.
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I'm gald some have enjoyed the photo I took above on the Sensation on August 24th. As I said in my photo posting Carnival did not prohibit kids, just drinks. Cabin literature requested parental supervision in the hot tubs and pools. Obviously here parents had other ideas. I tried but missed getting good photos of the kids diving to the bottom with their feet in the air.
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