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Old July 28th, 2004, 03:14 PM
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I will be a first time cruiser soon - what can any one tell me about internet & email services - should i bring my laptop, are there cyber cafes or room availability? I have heard mixed comments.

Going Disney first then RCCL. How reliable? Do the cruise lines even consider it a priority does any one know? I do enjoy a break from tech to a degree 'but' I still like to ck those emails, ck on my online banking stuff, etc & any emergencies from family. Thanks.
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Old July 28th, 2004, 04:39 PM
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On both Disney and RCCL in fact most lines you can go to their Internet Cafe's and catch up. Prices per minute are very steep as you are on a ship. They do not have a big cable leading back home under the water , so everything goes via sats.

Taking your laptop to use in cabin will not in reality not make it any cheaper, its still via sat comms .

What's so important you cannot just go on vacation forgetting the Internet and email, enjoy the ship and the ports. But if you need to use it. then use the cafes on board

Sorry, but some people on this board feel that because "I'm a lawyer" "I'm a judge" and have a such a sense of self importance and that the world will fall apart if they are out of it for 14 days gets boring after a while, not that you have said that.

My question to all of those that think they cannot go on a ship without email, cellphones and the internet is.

So what happens at sea with no port available for 2 or 3 days and you get that email or cellphone call that says you must return home. What are you going to do about it? Ask the Captain to change course, dont think so, get a helicopter to fly in and fly you out at sea, again dont think so. So why not leave all this baggage in the port and just have your vacation
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You can also stop at any of many internet cafe's in the ports, its a whole lot cheaper, usually $5 for an hour for a high speed connection.

Some ships offer unlimited internet access in your cabin with your laptop for around $100 for the whole week, but I've heard of a lot of problems with that and also very slow.

What ship will you be on with Royal CAribbean?

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DavyB,

You have never been capable of understanding how some people must live life different than you and either by choice or by mandate they will stay in touch back home.

"What's so important you cannot just go on vacation forgetting the Internet and email, enjoy the ship and the ports."......................DavyB

What's important to her is her own business. Let it be, they offer internet service for a reason..................people want it.

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Good point, Thomas. Implying that others have "such" a sense of self-importance is itself a rather inappropriate evaluation to make about other people, IMHO. Importance is not the only reason people engage advanced technology. The reality is that there is no reason to be out-of-touch any longer.

Vacations are supposed to be leisurely, relaxing, stress-reducing. I believe it is approrpriate to foster anything that serves those purposes. One of the most stress parts of traveling in the past was being disconnected from family, friends and important concerns. Peace of mind is a valuable commodity, which many are willing to pay deeply for. If that peace of mind comes from a cell phone, email or whatever, thank Goodness for progress!
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Liz, as the others have said most, if not all, ships now offer internet access. With some it is limited to the internet cafes onboard. Many have WiFi connections for laptop users. I know that the Statendam offers WiFi "hot spots" around their internet cafe. I checked that out myself as I like using my own laptop because I like to send "picture postcards" with my own photos to friends back home. I also like to keep track of my finances so that the sweetness of traveling won't turn bitter from over-spending. There is a charge, of course, because it is a satelite connection, but there are packages available.

DavidB, I find your remarks inappropriate and ill-advised. Many people, including myself do not take their technology with them out of a feeling of self-importance, but rather for the uses that I have mentioned. Using your logic, I could say that I don't see why there are Casinos on board because I don't like to gamble...but since I am not paying for someone else's gambling, it doesn't bother me. Lighten up and live and let live.

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Old July 29th, 2004, 09:20 AM
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thanks guys/gals-I'd prefer the ability in my cabin during 'down time' and for ease of use/privacy - i don't want to have to lug my laptop around & then run back to room with it. Maybe it will be more common that way, as time goes on, like all tech it will improve & get cheaper.
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On my cruise in May, before I left the office on Friday, my boss asked me if there was an emergency how he could get ahold of me. I work in the Operations Division of a Marine Terminal in Maryland. Since, my boss already knew that I was going on a cruise, he already knew the answer. And as DavidB suggested, what if there is an "emergency", I don't think that I can get the cabin to turn the ship around....I told my boss since I am the one that pays my c-phone bill, I get to decide whether or not I take it on vacation...and I did not take my c-phone with me.

I went on the cruise to get away from those things...to relax and enjoy myself. I thought that it was sad sitting on the Liddo deck watching this man that was obviously frustrated typing information into a laptop....wonder what he is going to tell everyone about his cruise.
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Old July 29th, 2004, 10:13 AM
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As for use of tech on-board I find comments very interesting - there are def two camps pro/con. Personally being out of touch on a cruise is both tempting AND scary - I feel VERY disconnected not having a paper, tv news, etc - simply logging on two times a day and seeing the news makes me feel better; I may not be able to 'do' anything but atleast I know what the heck is going on - remember 9/11 people? Hearing it second hand is not a choice I feel comfortable with - I want access to breaking news, Fox News Fan that I am - I can't apologize for wanting to be informed of the world - we live in an ever more global society and I want to know, if my kids are home, what's going on in my country, state, and town. Or is there TV news on-board - I thought it was all 'canned'.
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>>Sorry, but some people on this board feel that because "I'm a lawyer" "I'm a judge" and have a such a sense of self importance and that the world will fall apart if they are out of it for 14 days gets boring after a while, not that you have said that.>>

Obviously directed at me, DavyB since I posted that a judge has asked that my dh stay available during the week we are cruising. Again, it's not about self-importance, just about following a judge's orders. If you want to thumb your nose at a judge, go right ahead. *My* dh wants to avoid being held in contempt of court....

>>So what happens at sea with no port available for 2 or 3 days and you get that email or cellphone call that says you must return home. What are you going to do about it? >>

Well Davy, thank goodness technology has evolved to such an extent that we can actually phone or email each other. All problems and issues do not have to be solved in person. The judge knows my dh is on a ship in the Caribbean and would not ask for a personal appearance, only accessibility to discuss a pending matter that, in his humble opinion, can't wait.

Bicker, I liked what you said about there is no *reason* to be out of touch. I'm taking my family with me cruising, but I can imagine that not being in touch with family might cause a certain amount of stress for some folks. It's vacation, as you said, and should be as stress free as possible - however that happens to work itself out.

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Some ships provide dialup connections through the ship's telephone system. When I sailed with Crystal last year, I brought my laptop and used it in my cabin just as I would from any hotel or motel on land. In order to keep charges low, I didn't do any web browsing and read and composed all my email offline. I only needed to connect to for a few minutes at a time to do the actual data transfer. It seemed the best solution for convenience, privacy and not having to waste time in port.

Using the Internet has nothing to do with self-importance. I don't see it as being any different from sitting in your room writing postcards or reading a magazine. It's a matter of how you want to spend your time. In the privacy of your cabin you have full discretion.
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Dorthy - you say that the judge "asked" your dh to stay available. I'm not a lawyer and I don't try and pretend to be one. People have this notion that whatever a judge says is the law....that is one of those urban legends. That is why decisions are appealed. Judges do make mistakes from time to time.

Just like I told my boss, the day that he starts paying for me to have a c-phone is the day that he can start telling me to take one on vacation.
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Old July 29th, 2004, 11:32 AM
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Dear Dorothy (sorry but I'm hooked now, this is fun) totally off course here () but should your dh not be avail, really, as stated above, don't sweat it if you have done your best - my ex was in contempt of all conditions (after school supervision, tutoring and couseling, all things he agreed to do when he took him-against my desire, long story) put in a custody order when he took my 10 yr old boy - who is back with me now - ya know what the judge did about it? NADA. He was home alone a lot (at 10 - 13 yrs old with a history of behavior problems & property damage), bad grades/no follow up on dad's part, being delinquent, no counseling - I had to pay ALL the charges I incurred getting him to comply (I asked for attorney fees, the bi*ch judge denied)- it took a year, then my son came back to me any way and I had to pay all those bills - and my ex is a contractual lawyer! They (the legal sys) can all fall off the face of the earth - it's all a big, fat game to them and screw the kids and those that have their best int in mind. In hind sight I should have spent the money on a big bad a** private eye to take on the issue. The law in theory is good but it comes down to who ya know & how much dough ya have. Sad.

And back to tech-last yr my dad died unexpectedly while my brother was on a ship - what a nightmare trying to get him - I finally got the ship's home office to give me their sat phone number. I don't consider a cruise for 'getting away from it all' i.e. civilization - I want the conveniences thanks - if I want to really get away I'll take an explorer-type vaca into Peru or somewhere (not).
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I look at it this way, if you want to use the internet cafes to check your e-mail and dash off a quick note home, go right ahead, its your personal business not anyone elses.
As for getting a hold of me in case of a family emergency - i give my parents & my in-laws the ships number before we sail and i give them our TA's number just in case they forget how to contact the ship
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Liz

I have done 2 cruises this year on the Oceania Regatta, back in Jan and then again this spring in May. In Jan they had a system I think called Sealynx that offered me pay-per view movies and said it would be getting e-mail and internet. Then when I went back in May they had everything going, I was able to send e-mail and check scores and stocks from my TV in my suite. It was wonderful and the prices where alot better than useing the cafe it was a per e-mail charge not a per-minute. You might not be able to check your bank statement but you could check your aol,hotmail,msn or yahoo e-mails from the suite.

I have heard that RCCL trying to get the same thing on there ships, don't know about Diseny.



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Very good point about a vacation not necessarily being a trip to get away from it all. A vacation on a cruise ship could be to get away from the house, the yard work, the cooking, the cleaning, and to see blue Caribbean waters..........................but still be able to function in other capacities. The internet and cell phones are handy tools.

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Thomas

You may not think it, but I have "been capable of understanding how some people must live life different than you and either by choice or by mandate they will stay in touch back home"

I know exactly where these people are coming from, once upon a time I used to be like them. But I made a decision not to do it any more I needed to relax and have my vacation. We have been here before and I still feel it a bit sad that people cannot go on vacation and just relax.

The main point of this discussion however is as that cellphone use grows, along with the number feeling they cannot sever the work tie for 7 or 10 days. What happens then is ships will become like floating office extensions, computer terminals cabled or wireless are everywhere and there are cellphones going off non stop around you.

How relaxing will it be to sit amongst this scenario for the rest who just wanted a vacation?
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Don't some people just enjoy checking email? I like it. It's something I look forward to each day. If it's available on vacation, why shouldn't I ?
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When my daughter was in Mexico earlier this year she sent us two emails in 10 days. I was so thrilled to hear from her & know she was having a wonderful time. I want to be able to return the favour of letting my kids know that we are fine & thinking of them. A postcard is nice but it probably wouldn't reach them until after we were home. We have always stayed in touch as a matter of courtesty in our family. We always have some idea where everyone is and know that they are safe & well. I see no reason to change this habit when the technology is available to do it so easily.
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Old July 30th, 2004, 04:59 PM
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Okay, I'll put it another way, people using the internet cafes on ship no problem I have done so myself.

But if Bluetooth and wireless techs are available on ship, then laptops will be on loungers, at the bar, just about everywhere. Not happy with that but hey its technology.

My problem is not technology, just the way some people use it. Put it this way is it selfish of me to expect someone laying within 5ft of me on deck, not to have

Their phone ringing every few minutes or laptop bleeping because a new email has arrived, which they will have to discuss and then make a cellphone call about.

Today, such incidents are very few, but as the technology grows along with the use, then I'm sorry this infringement will become a social issue

Talking business, talking family, in fact talking whatever is troubling them within a open environment. Yes, have these conversations but why should my relaxation be disturbed because of it. Use all of it in your cabin, no problem.

Put it this way at home would you drag your extension cord into the yard and stand outside your neighbors window to make and take calls? How would they react!
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"I will be a first time cruiser soon - what can any one tell me about internet & email services - should i bring my laptop, are there cyber cafes or room availability? I have heard mixed comments.".......................Liz63


"The main point of this discussion however is as that cellphone use grows, along with the number feeling they cannot sever the work tie for 7 or 10 days. "...........DavyB

Maybe you didn't read the original post Davy so I posted it again for you. She posted about email and internet. You returned a post converting the discussion to cellphones. I know you know the difference.

I don't think laptop computers and internet cafes are imposing on my cruise vacation. Type away people, I'm glad the technology is available.

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Tommy boy, you know as well as me it's the whole scenario and their boundries are closing, so dont get cute.

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ps Tommy

If you are going to quote me then keep up with the posting, you know it makes sense
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Wow. DavidB's getting snarky.

In the end, this argument comes down to DavidB wanting to impose his specifications for crusing on everyone else. He wants to control the product being offered to everyone, to serve his desired, without regard to how that limits the utility of the offering to others.

This isn't necessarily bad. Everyone wants to have everything their way -- it is human nature.

I readily understand complaints about invasive behaviors. Talking loudly in public isn't appropriate, whether talking on the telephone or talking to the person on the next chaise lounge. Beyond that, live and let live. You can decide to be annoyed about anything -- you can just as readily decide not to be annoyed about non-invasive behaviors.
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Dear DavidB - you seem to want 'total relaxation' - why not rent a sailboat or catamaran - your ideal of total relaxation is not practical - I mean we have running water on board and flushing toilets, too......as tech evolves it becomes a part of our society - get used to it (and I notice you are on this board a lot so you obviously take joy in it).

And thanks Thomas - for getting back on track here. I guess I'll hope for email access at the cyber cafes for now & then wait for this technology to evolve enough that my laptop in my cabin will be reasonably priced and/or the tech on the tv is more pervasive that travis talks about above. thanks guys/gals! My kids are excited & we all watched the disney cruise line dvd last night; for us this is a good start to (hopefully) many years of cruising as the kids grow up and OUT!
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I guess I don't understand all the noise issue from those who don't want tech on their vacation. Are cruise ships quiet or is the noise like scrathing the chalkboard to them. This goes for cell phones too, ya if they are talking too loud but hearing conversation happens with a cell or with the people sitting next to you.
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Liz63, sorry but maybe I 've just got a strange view of what a vacation is, and your right it is "total relaxation" for me.

I work 12 - 14 hours every day in technology, that has never been my problem, just how some people use it.

Due to my employment I know exactly how these technologies are opening and to be honest they are brilliant, but in the hands of some selfish, inconsiderate people the technologies will begin to impose on others.

Put it this way. I remember when I had one of the first pagers (bleepers) on the market through my business and after just a year when society realised what was happening to their growth and use. I was asked to switch it off in theatres, cinemas etc before going in. The same is happening now for cellphones, bluetooth devices etc.

Why should a vacation ship be different? By all means use the cafes for internet access, its an exclusive area that I welcome. I would advocate cellphone use areas in the same way. But for the sake of everyone else Internet access and cellphone use should be curtailed to certain areas or cabin use, its only good manners

Privateer, on every day experience, using cellphones I see and hear most people talking at least two levels louder than they normally do when in a face to face conversation. That is when it becomes annoying for other people.

I have a brilliant Bang &Olfsen portable CD player, you will not hear sound like it. So would you accept that it is my right to play it on deck sharing with others around me my choice in music. Great thought but I dont, you see I respect those around me and to do so would be an infringement of their space
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I am in the first generation that pretty much grew up with computers. I don't write letters like previous generations. Email is my substitute for a pen, paper and envelope (I probably spend less than $2 a year on stamps ). When I cruise I enjoy sending emails to friends and family telling them how much fun I'm having.
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Michael/Joanne: It is clear that there are generational issues in many case, and that's true with respect to many aspects of cruising from what I understand. Many folks are reticent to acknowledge progress and such; however, many aren't resistant. My mother, for example, a child of the Depression, has readily taken to email. My father, even older than my mother, actually has made a second career based on the new technology and is very comfortable with it. However, many of their contemporaries don't understand how things like cell phones and email fit into the context of what they're familiar with. Lack of comfort, perhaps, makes them consider the newer technologies to be in some way inferior to the technologies they do understand. The trend is very consistent: It begins with the new, misunderstood technology being considered generally crass or otherwise inferior, as an expression of that lack of comfort. However, over time, the number of people who understand begin to reach a critical mass, and eventually dominate, and those who don't understand the new technology become less relevant.
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DavyB,

"I would advocate cellphone use areas in the same way. But for the sake of everyone else Internet access and cellphone use should be curtailed to certain areas or cabin use, its only good manners"...............................DavyB

It seems you have softened your stance from your original position on cell phones. You once were accusing people of proclaiming themselve self-important, and not able to sever their ties for 7 days; to now advocating them if used in certain areas. Good for you.

I'm glad you have addressed the real issue and that's people's inconsideration of others around them when using the cell phones. Not the technology itself.

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