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Old September 23rd, 2004, 03:28 AM
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Ok I really cannot understand why people will spend thousands on a cruise and then worry about a few pennies. “Can I smuggle soda on board? Can I take my wine, pack it in a plastic bag, wrap it in towels and then hide it in a bag?” People Please...And as long as I’m here...Lets not forget the “gee its my vacation and I’m wearing formal shorts in the dining room crowd” ITS A CRUISE. Not a trip to the local Burgers and Gin Joint. AND further more it’s NOT cute when you loud unruly 4 year old screams and cannonballs into the pool..(Takes deep breath) there that feels better...

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Old September 23rd, 2004, 09:22 AM
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Smile and enjoy.....I know I will
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Old September 23rd, 2004, 12:20 PM
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I do pinch pennies, that is how I am taking a ten day cruise, replete with spa treatments. But I never do it at the expense of others (not tipping).

Further, Princess allows for wine/champagne to be brought aboard. So I am doing so. A small amount that is. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old September 23rd, 2004, 06:30 PM
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Some people are never wrong in their minds, don't bother trying to change them.
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Old September 24th, 2004, 12:59 AM
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Ed
The thing is , what you may see as penny pinching others may see as being responsible spenders.
There is also an old saying " take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves".
Many cruisers can cruise , not becasue they make alot of money, but because they are careful with the money they make.
Frankly, I think some people are incredibly wasteful and spend money stupidly, dropping hundreds dollars in a casino, or spending that same amount of photos or bingo seems excessive to me, BUT,,,,,,, it doesn't hurt me , so what do I care what others do.
To each his own.
I do agree that tipping is the one area one should be responsible and tip appropriately!
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Old September 24th, 2004, 04:52 AM
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Some people are never wrong in their minds, don't bother trying to change them.
Anyone who debates another person expecting to change that person's mind is mildly delusional IMHO <grin>. The point of disagreeing-folks presenting their best arguments in favor of their position is to change the mind of people who aren't sure of their position (people reading the arguments, not replying to them). These are often people who don't know the best arguments for either side so have not had a chance to make up their own mind yet.

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Old September 24th, 2004, 01:37 PM
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Wow Ed,

taking wine, shorts at dinner, and cannonballs in the pool

I think you're multigriping dude!

I had ya all the way up until the canonball. I scream and canonball into the pool (just hurts when I miss the pool - hate when that happens). I think it's cute!! Futher, it's even more cute when 4 year olds do it.

bicker, I agree, debating is to win the undecided vote. Seemed like a silly comment

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Old September 24th, 2004, 01:51 PM
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Old September 24th, 2004, 02:24 PM
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No you didn't - care to debate???

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hey, I say we pay someone to go through all the gripes, find the most opinionated posters, even if they're wrong (DavidB), and set up a theme cruise for us - and see what happens....could be a new reality TV show, I could look at you Davy, across a table and say "David........You're fired!!!"

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Old September 24th, 2004, 02:38 PM
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That post was a bit harsh Banker. But hey, I am what I am and no-one will change it.

Oh yes, if you click on names you’re on 146 posts and I'm on 83, you win the opinionated debate

I am asking you to apologies after you have re-read that post or we are finished, I'm out of here....

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Old September 24th, 2004, 03:10 PM
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dude, I almost always joking so take my comments as such!!

If I offended you, I apologize.

Now lets kiss and make up (now you'd like that, wouldn't you)!

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PS - this is like an arugment with my wife.......I can't even remember what it was about and I'm apologizing!!!

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Old September 24th, 2004, 03:41 PM
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Dude, I am only one of many opinionated people on this thread or board, cant deny it, it's there in B&W, its what you get when a Scotsman gets involved in a US board, open, direct and no hiding opinions

In time I will get used to you guys and maybe you me. No kissin, dont know what you did on that cruise <g>

Sorry ED, back to your post, its all individual choice. People who are in my face I get wound up about on a cruise, ordinary people who just have the cruise buy and spend to suit their own budget once on board, thats their business and none of mine or yours. Let them be.

It's a supermarket arguement, I buy Tuna, you buy Salmon. What does that prove? In personal experience some of the richest people I have met, were also the tightest when it came to spending.

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Old September 24th, 2004, 04:41 PM
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It is difficult to determine which is more tacky. Is is the people who sneak beverages on in voilation of the cruise line's rules? Or is it the cruise lines which have, only recently, created or began enforcing rules against bring on beverages to indirectly increase thier profits? It's a tough call, but I vote for the latter as the most tacky.

When I cruise, I like to bring back local beers from the ports to drink on my balcony. Not just to drink for drinking's sake, but to sample beers from around the world. To do this, I select my line from one of several that allow this. The ones that don't --- well, they are for others maybe, but not for me.

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Old September 24th, 2004, 05:58 PM
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DavidB.......you're not the most opinionated, granted.....but I ah, well....um.....would say you're very qualified to comment on the topic of "Penny pinching"

What d'ya say Scotty!!

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Old September 25th, 2004, 02:39 PM
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What can I say Banker?

You are now asking me to debate through inference that Scots are mean, a perception you have grown up with due to Hollywood and caricatures of races.

No answer or reply,,sorry buddy.

ps, the most famous Scotty that people on the shallow end of the pond will know, was actually Canadian, God bless him.

pps I am actually more opinionated, volume does not always prove value
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Old September 25th, 2004, 02:52 PM
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I didn't mean "mean", I was joking about cheap (not true of course) but fun to make fun of anyways!

And that Scotty, he's the best - he just got his star on the walk of fame, did ya see that?

also, you mention "a perception you have grown up with..." - you assume incorrectly that I've grown up!



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Old September 25th, 2004, 03:15 PM
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Big grin, take care
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Old September 25th, 2004, 03:34 PM
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We work very hard for our money and we really have to scrimp to take the 5 of us on a cruise. I just can't see paying $25 or much more for a bottle of wine when we are perfectly happy with a $6 bottle. OOps! Sorry if my tackiness has offended anyone.
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Old September 25th, 2004, 03:36 PM
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Ed if you were in the business like I am you would hear people tell you all the time how the are going to (cheat) the airlines or cruiselines. I get asked every day how can I cut corners or can I buy a round trip ticket and just take one way? Can I buy a ticket from Little Rock to El Paso and get off the plane in Dallas and get back on for the return because the flight to ElPaso is 150.00 less? Business travelers are the worst they will cheat the airlines in a heartbeat bad news is it cost the personal traveler in the long run.
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Old September 25th, 2004, 03:58 PM
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Whoa!!

How does it cheat any cruise line if a guest choses not to buy a drink at their bar at bar prices? The cruise line does not provide the drink, and the guest does not pay for the drink. Cheating means getting something and not paying for it. That's BAD. But not getting something and not paying? Than's not cheating in a fair market. That's choice!Thing is, some line are going out of the way to insure that there is a monopoly in their favor onboard. This is not an illegal monopoly, but it is a monopoly just the same. Many don't like it, and don't want to support it.

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Old September 25th, 2004, 04:32 PM
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Customers who don't want to support the captive-market situation cruise lines foster for themselves on-board (what you mistakenly called a "monopoly") have every right to refuse to purchase a cruise from the cruise line, or to refuse to patronize the captive-market offerings themselves. What customer do not have the right to do is unilaterally change the terms and conditions of the cruise ticket contract: If it says that customers cannot bring their own alcoholic beverages on-board or require a corkage fee paid for alcoholic beverages brought on-board, then the customer's only legitimate choice is to comply, either foregoing alcoholic beverages, paying the required fees, or patronizing the captive-market.

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Babe the fact is carry in a cooler full of wine or soft drinks or whatever your desire is and if they let you that is o.k. If you call the cruise lines and they tell you it is against policy to BYOB or soft drinks and you try to sneak them in and are caught you should have to go all the way back to your car or go back to the end of the line and dispose of it, and if you miss the cruise well tuff toast, I guess you won't make that mistake again now will you. Just like at a ball game or a movie theatre same thing applies.
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Old September 25th, 2004, 04:43 PM
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I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe that a cruise line would make a passenger miss the boat for trying to bring alcoholic beverages on-board. Rather, they say that they'll confiscate the items, store them, and return them to the passenger on debarkation.

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bicker:

Actually, I agree that customers who don't like restrictions by some lines on bringing beverages onboard for onboard consumption should simply "vote with their wallet" and refuse to book such a cruise. That is exactly what I do. I feel that the situation with the onboard market for drinks is a monopoly, though not an illegal one. You feel it is not a monopoly, but a "captive market." Actually, it does not matter what we chose to call it. We all know what it is, and WHY it is. And that's why I refuse to support it by booking a cruise on such lines.

Those of us who dislike such restrictive policies would do better to book elsewhere, instead of playing a silly "cat and mouse" game with the cruise lines. No, I don't think they are cheating anyone. But they also are allowing this practice to continue by continuing to patronize these lines.

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Old September 25th, 2004, 05:35 PM
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Bicker you are right they probably won't make you throw it away and Richard you are also right if you don't like the policy go somewhere else. For me I know that cruiselines are in business to make money (duh) that is why cruises are pricy in May, June, July and August and less in September (does Frances, Ivan and Jeanne explain why) so I would expect them like ballparks and movies do to expect you to buy the overpriced items.
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Cruise lines are like ball parks and movie theaters!! Wow, that did hit the nail on the head. When I see a line prohibiting me from bring on local beers from the ports (I just like to sample beers of the world), it indicates to me something far more than just drink restrictions. It indicates that I'll be subject to every form of commercialization while onboard, port talks become infomercials for local merchants, etc. Indeed, we have found lines that feel the need to restrict my source of drinks to stay in business are very much like ball parks and movie theaters!

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Old September 25th, 2004, 05:55 PM
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What do you expect when I can't for some reason go to the games in Norman I put my tickets up on e-bay and believe me if someone wants to offer me 280.00 for a pair of tickets I paid 80.00 for I will gladly accept the money, it might not be worth it to you but that is fine. I just don't fell like the cruiselines are doing anything unethical it is a business.
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I love pinching pennies and my dh - he keeps a vise in the garage just for that purpose -mind you he is Scottish by birth - obnoxious by choice lol - but I love him dearly. We are able to pretty much do what we want to do thanks mostly to his dear Father - who pinched pennies all his life (even sewed up tea bags if they got ripped) and left it all to us when he passed away. We do wish he would have spent more on himself. That's why we're spending it now. But we do use coupons a lot, read all the store flyers and don't drink much (unless it's free - :o). I read somewhere - if you haven't got money and don't spend it you're cheap - if you do have money and don't spend it you're eccentric. TTFN Jennifer
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Oh, no, I don't think the cruise lines are doing anything unethical, illegal, or fatening by prohibiting carry on beverages and refusing to sell beverages for use in cabin or suite at less than bar prices. I'm merely saying I don't like it! Judging by the number of gripes I've seen on this subject since "things got bad" a little over two years ago, I don't think I'm alone.

But, hey, the lines set this out in printed material available to all before booking. So if anybody wants to book lines like this, and then gripe about it later, this is something I can't figure out. Why book 'em and gripe? If you don't like it (and I don't) there are some lines that don't do this. Book them. I do.

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Babe, I understand where you are coming from, but there are others who don't like the idea of subsidizing costs that they wouldn't incur themselves. Why pay for things you aren't going to use? If it's just to show others that you can, that's not a good enough reason for me to do so.
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