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Old October 25th, 2004, 09:13 PM
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Hi Everyone,

First, I should preface this with I like to "have a little fun" on a cruise with a drink before dinner, wine with dinner, and myabe a "fancy coffee" afterwards. Needless to say, I don't do this on a day-to-day basis. However, how much is too much? When does the staff get involved with alcohol consumption?

I was a little "shocked" when a couple got really loaded in the casino and got "rowdy" with some of the other passengers. They were tendered off the ship the next day in an "emergency" stop.

More shocking (and sad) was going by the martini bar in the atrium and no matter what time it was I saw a person drinking at the bar. Even more shocking was on the day
of departure as folks gathered to disembark the ship, the bar was open and the same person was drinking. Drinking was obviously a big part of this person's life. BTW, it was a woman.

Has anyone ever fallen overboard as a result of too much to drink. It's scary, but I could see how it could easily happen! Just curious - inquiring minds want to know!

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Old October 25th, 2004, 10:51 PM
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Well, there have been people who have gone overboard because of too much alcohol....but not by simply falling over the side.

In all instances they were also smart enough to be climbing on furniture to assure they were high enough to clear the railings (said facetiously)

Falling overboard without the climbing would be quite difficult.

That said... being in the bar business.. I can say I have indeed seen many instances where people should have been cut off if the only place they were being served was the bars. Problem is, with everyone sneaking their own liquor onboard, they could simply go to their cabins and get more.

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Old October 26th, 2004, 10:18 AM
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I think when someone who drinks is at the point where they might put the ship or others in danger. That's the point at which society (we, as a whole, and our laws and rules) have to intervene!

I believe they can drink whenever, whatever, and however they like as long as they do not reach the point I mentioned above. That's when they need to be stopped.

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Old October 26th, 2004, 10:49 AM
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banker:
Well said:

I don't care how much someone drinks. That is until the point they show signs of becoming an actual problem (danger) to me and/or others. Then it's time to step in and stop a problem from becoming a problem.

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Old October 26th, 2004, 09:01 PM
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Hey all you cruisemates, I was turned on to this website from a friend of mine. She said that it was a great place to debate and get information on the in's and out's of cruising. I would like to debate the original post. I would also like to tie in a few other posts that I have read since looking around this website. I just want you all to know that this is just my take on things and I don't want anyone to take what I say personally.

I would be really pissed if someone were judging me on my vacation. (Or anytime for that matter/) How is it that you had time to notice a complete stranger and at the same time make an assumption about someone that you know absolutely nothing about?
Just because people are on a cruise doesn't mean they signed up to be judged, in everything they do........................................... like how they dress, to what they eat, to what they drink and how often. We never know what someone else is going through or what they have gone through, so until we do we should keep our shallow comments to ourselves.
I was an abused spouse and I became someone that drank to overcome the fear, the pain and the shame. Alcoholism isn't always genetic, sometimes it happens because of ones life and the abuse that others project onto others.
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Old October 27th, 2004, 12:56 PM
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Hi cruzan4fun,

I think you've misinterpreted what was said, at least on this thread. Nobody is being judgmental about people with drinking problems. They are merely stating (if I am reading this correctly) that when people's drinking makes them violent or otherwise out of control, it's time for someone in authority to intervene. This is necessary for the protection of those who, through no fault of their own, are adversely affected by the drinker's actions. You may consider that a person's social habits are no one else's business, but I have to disagree if those habits infringe on the lives of others.

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I was an abused spouse and I became someone that drank to overcome the fear, the pain and the shame. Alcoholism isn't always genetic, sometimes it happens because of ones life and the abuse that others project onto others

Sorry to hear about your abusive past of course, but there's so many better ways to deal with one's problems. Help is available!!

But, turning to liquor, just takes the person from one type of abuse to another.

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Old October 28th, 2004, 06:24 PM
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Just for the record - Mea Culpa!

It was not my intent to make anyone feel uneasy or offend anyone.

However, I do take a stand when the captain of the ship has to change the course of the cruise to drop off a couple that "got drunk and too rowdy." It all worked out fine, but it DID change the cruise plans. I'm also glad I wasn't "in the path" of these two people who added their own special "drama."

Drinking is fine as long as you act like an adult and realize your personal limits. When one's drinking begins to infringe upon the "rights of others," then it's time to intervene.

As for the lonely woman at the bar, it made me a bit sad that she was there "a lot" and not appearing to be enjoying the cruise. However, when you are drinking as everyone is getting ready to get off the ship and appearing "unsteady" on the barstool it doesn't go unnoticed. My comments were not to "judge" her, but that it made me feel "sad." We all have had personal "issues" in our lives and have reacted in different manners. I work in a "helping profession" and that's probably the reason why I "watch people" sometimes.

If this is the woman's choice, I agree that's it's her personal choice. Furthermore, I don't think I said that I was judging anyone. These were just comments and "observations" that I made. However, I do draw the line when someone's (negative) actions infringe upon my personal enjoyment and/or space.

I agree with Kuki that "turning to drink" doesn't help one solve problems. It usually makes problems worse.

Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone - that was the furthest thought from my mind as I wrote the initial posting.
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Old October 29th, 2004, 02:34 PM
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Just to set the record straight, alcohol CAN solve problems at times. If she wasn't drunk Mrs. Thomas never would've said "YES"


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Thomas,

...or in my case had our 2 kids!

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Old October 30th, 2004, 12:40 AM
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Hi Thomas,

And just what did Mrs. Thomas say "yes" to? Inquiring minds want to know! ;-)

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Old October 30th, 2004, 09:14 AM
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Ummmmm.........................how about "Do you take this man to be your lawfully wedded husband?" ...................yes, that's sounds good enough.

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Hey all,
I didn't mean to come off harsh, I know that the lady at the martini bar was running from something or else she wouldn't have been there. Like I use to do, drink instead of engage in life.
I just get upset when I think about others having to hide in alcohol.
I also agree with getting rid of abusive people or people that become nasty when drinking.
Sorry too, if I sounded offensive.

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