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Old March 8th, 2005, 01:43 PM
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Default Advice at the Blackjack table.

Ok I've got a pet peeve. Its people who feel its necessary to offer up advice to others playing blackjack. Should you hit, stay, double down??? the guy to your left has an opinion and he's going to let you know whether you want his advice or not! I wish folks would pay attention to their own cards and keep their advice to themselves.

Anybody else get annoyed at this?

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How about people who post in the wrong room?
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Old March 8th, 2005, 03:02 PM
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Yeah its a legitimate "fellow passenger" Gripe Kevin.

Its always easy to get excited about gambling, especially when your advice or excitement is not about your own money, so ignore them. You'll find people that do this are not actually gamblers or used to casinos, they sometimes dont even know what they are doing there!

Play your own game buddy, or take their advice and then at least you will have someone else to blame when you lose the cash<g>
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I've played blackjack alot (and will be at the tables again in about an hour from now) and I've never seen anybody do this unless requested. Over the course of the years I've played with professionals and amatuers but never saw anybody offer advice unrequested.

However, about a year ago I was in a casino in Gulfport, Ms. and I went against the book advice and played a hunch on one hand. I won, but the guy next to me was furious at me for hitting when I should have stood. He told me if I wasn't going to play correctly I should leave the table. I informed him that I had a stack of chips from winnings in front of me and he was scraping carpet. I'll play my hand, you play yours, I told him. About 3 hands later he was out of money and left the table claiming that his losses were my fault.

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Kevin, I'm totally into black jack. I've noticed in land based casino's no one ever offers advice without being asked (at least I have never seen it), but on ships, people sometimes do. I never get offended or tell them off, but give them a nod and do my own thing anyway.

Thomas, I think the people that get really uptight while playing blackjack (especially on a ship) are the ones that really shouldn't be gambling anyway. If it hurts you to play, zen zon't zoo it! On a ship it should all be about fun, and the casino is part of the entertainment. Everyone should lighten up a bit. That's the way I look at it anyway. I am 36 but look a lot younger (or so I'm told) like late 20 ish, so I sometimes get older people trying to tell me what to do. They are usually saying it in a conversational way.

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Old March 9th, 2005, 06:20 AM
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i dont like to give it even when asked....i would say.."the book says to do this, but it up to you"
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Here's one case where I'm going to say "thanks for the advice!" I appreciate you guys feeling for my situation!

To go into a little more detail on what happened.... just last month I was on a RCI cruise playing blackjack, having a good time, winning a little money and enjoying myself and this guy sitting at the dealers 3 o' clock STOPS the game just as I'm about to Stay on a 13. He waves his hand at the dealer and says "wait , hold on a second" and then proceeds to give me his advice on why I should Hit because thats what the book says should be done (I don't remember what the dealer had).

So I tell him yeah I know what the book says to do but the book isn't always right. I tell him to look at all the cards on the table - [it was nearly a full table, every seat taken] - and I point out that nearly all the cards on the table were low cards [2 through 9] so the odds of me getting a face card on a Hit were very high.

He tells me "don't worry about what everybody else has, you only need to play against the dealer" Now THIS is the mark of a true amateur. The difference between an amateur and a real player is that you should be paying attention to ALL the cards on the table. And to prove this guy was a real superior moron we were playing Single Deck Blackjack!

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I was furious when the guy next to me hit on 19, and would you believe he pulled a deuce. What are you odds of this happening?

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Were you playing single deck blackjack? Its very popular right now and it doesn't take a "Rain Man" to remember how many cards you see go by. Still, I wouldn't have hit on 19 either!
One thing about all the responses on the board to my Gripe about pains-in-the-asses at the ships casino's blackjack table is most guys say my response should've been "i'm just going by the book"

Well my problem is if you want to deviate in the smallest from "The Book" then some people jump all over you.
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About 1 in 13 in a multple deck shoe.

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Just tell them they aren't reading the right book - or that maybe they should read more than the first two chapters. I find Jerseyites far more willing to give unsolicited advice than people who regularly play anywhere else. Jerseyites are also far more interested in your cards, whether you want them to know what you're holding or not.
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Old March 10th, 2005, 07:49 AM
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Worse than advice given is the idiot who comes to the table and announces "I've never played this game, but I thought I'd give it a try" and proceeds to screw up the whole table. His first cousing, the card carying novice is almost as bad - but usually he has endured some of the scrowls of players whose hands he's just blown so he may actually ask the seasoned players what to do. Then there's the guy who jumps in, plays one hand - usually wrong - and goes away, only to return a little while later when the deck is rich.
Inevitably these people have waaaay to much money to spend and don't lose it all until they've enriched the casino with other players funds. Last week I played with a guy who said his "strategy" (don't ya just hate people with stategies?) was to always stand on an eleven. It seems that in the last year or two there are more and more rookies at the tables and fewer veterans. Makes for tough playing.

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Old March 10th, 2005, 10:24 AM
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that is why i play slots...no brainer...nobody gets mad at me if i screw up the game....always that beginers luck....I do not want to get shot on my vacation....lol
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Hey the lines dont care, the more chips that go down the shute, the cheaper the mugs can make cruising for the rest of the ship.

But that not just ship casinos, that's how it works even in Vegas re room rates etc.

Difference is they have limit tables that the non seasoned gambler would touch. I know they have them on ships, but ever noticed how quite they are. I would play them, but not going 1-1 with a dealer and no spread across the table.

So ship gambling should be looked at as fun, serious card players forget it, spend a few dollars for the entertainment and take it for what is.
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My husband won't play any table under $25 minimum because he says the lower tables attract the people that don't know how to play. And he's right, ya know.

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Default Re: Advice at the Blackjack table.

Here's a link to an article I wrote about playing blackjack on ships. It really is sort of a "team sport", but if you're going to play on ships you have to be ready to see ANYTHING.... and therefore relax and view it as entertainment.

I once saw someone double down when they had a blackjack, and I admit that was a jaw dropping moment<G>

A table of fun loving people makes for a very social few hours, and that's what you have to strive for.... hopefully not loosing too much money while you're there.

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Some people just think they know it all, and love to give advice. Just polietly tell them you appreciate their input, but you are set in your ways, and will do as you please when you please.
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My uncle feels the same way.

But I can't stand to play $25. One time I had to play at $10 table - ouch. I might bet $10 a hnd (pretty unlikely) but it is MY choice not the casinos.
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I play Blackjack regularly (about 2x a month) in Vegas and Indian casinos in SoCalifornia. I never give unsolocited advice. When someone asks my advice I say, "this is what the book says to do".

However if there is an idot hitting 15 when the dealer has a 5 showing, your darn right I'm gong to give them a dirty look. There are other people playing too don't forget. However I will not say anything to that person. I will do what most gamblers do: Just get up and leave.

And if you're playing single deck, all the cards are face down, how are you gonig to know its all small cards? How are you going to know what's been played unless they all bust? That makes no sense.
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Agree with the OP. If seeing people make choices that are outside Basic Strategy Doctrine bothers you than blackjack on the ship may not be for you. I also don't think it is wise to offer unsolicited advice. It is what it is-entertainment.
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Other than having to deal with that one guy giving the unsolicited advice I had a fun time playing blackjack on the ship. I should point out that the casino onboard was offerring a slightly different version of single deck blackjack than what I'd seen in the casino's in Las Vegas. Other than the fact that we were only playing with a single deck, all the other blackjack rules were the same as if you were playing a multiple-shoe, such as all the cards face up (except the dealers 1 card), no touching the cards, etc.

I also want to point out that I was the one just looking to have a good time, relax and play some cards. What I wasn't looking for was a lecture from some amateur on how I should be playing cards. Some people are just waaaay too serious when they're gambling. I mean I know its real money were playing with but if you can't afford to lose it then don't play.
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I don't understand the rationale of people who think because someone took a hit on a hand they should have stood on, that it negatively affects the other player's expected outcome. That one card they took could have altered the remaining cards in the shoe positively in favor of the players too.

But that is the thinking of most players. The order of cards in the shoe are aligned to favor the players and if someone at the table takes a card they shouldn't have then the order is now in favor of the dealer.

Not true.

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Gamblers will always have the get out clause that,,,someone else caused the problem and Its never due to their own bad call as to why they lost their money.

Makes them feel better, and allows some justification for what is a turn of a card,,,nothing more.
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I agree DavyB! And problem gamblers have one credo: When the luck is running well, their luck will never change; and when their luck is running bad, their luck is bound to change. This credo makes casinos rich!


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And just when I was thinking I would plop myself down at the BJ table on my next cruise, having gotten up my nerve by playing roulette (and winning!) on my last cruise.....I find out someone might be mad at me because I played "wrong"!

Yikes.....Thomas! Cruise with me and be my BJ buddy!!!

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I'm with you, Dorothy! I've played with friends but never had the nerve to try it in a casino. Where are we novice players supposed to learn to play? The "lessons" offered in the ship's casino just fly over my head! Maybe there could be a "virgin" blackjack table set up where the more experienced players (or a casino staff member)could tell us how to play and why. Thomas, cruise with both of us and be our BJ buddy! I do agree that no one should offer unsolicited advice about anything (not just blackjack)! I've thought about watching over someone's shoulder to see how they play, but wouldn't that be rude?

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I wouldn't hesitate to play Blackjack on a ship, even if you've never played before.

In most cases the low limit ($5) tables are filled with others just like yourselves... there for entertainment... and a blackjack table can and should be very social time spent.

The cruise lines DO also offer "lessons"... sometime on the sea days.

When in doubt about how to play... ASK THE DEALERS.. they'll all be glad to help, if you ask. They are simply not allowed to "help" unless you ask.

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And it was either Kuki or Jim that emailed me a "how to" list about BJ. It's filed in my cruise file, so I think I'll dust it off and PLAY next time!

Fern, how about you? All you have to do is book on the Miracle for 9/11/05 and we'll win (or lose) together.

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I hope I haven't scared any of the blackjack virgins off. Its a fun game and on the cruise ships the limit was generally low and I found the dealers to be a little more friendly and talkative as opposed to other casinos. Another great thing about blackjack is I've met some interesting, outgoing, funny people at the blackjack table - especially on my last cruise.

And if you need a little advice about something just ask. Either the dealer or a friendly co-player will be happy to offer a suggestion.

My Gripe was with people [I should say PERSON - you know who you are!] who get upset about how YOU are playing your hand of blackjack. Its generally because they're losing, they shouldn't be playing in the first place because they can't afford to lose the money their playing with, and whatever else was bugging them that day.

Realisticlly its one of the best of all the games to play because the odds are the absolute most in your favor with blackjack. More so than any other game in a casino.
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Dorothy, you needn't worry about how to play blackjack. You can print a cheat sheet off the internet explaining what to do under any circumstance and take it to the table with you. It is allowed. Just consult this cheat sheet when deciding whether to hit or stand.

Also, like Kuki says, ask the dealer. They will always give you the correct advice since they want to see you win also. Winning players tip the dealers, losing players don't.

And every single player at the table has been a beginner at one point. We experienced players don't mind beginners asking for advice or looking at cheat sheets.

Once, a young lady stumbled out of the disco and took a seat next to me. She bought a $25 chip and played a hand. She had no idea what to do but went on gut instincts only. While I'm sitting there with my $5 chip down on every hand she is doubling and tripling her bet and winning everything. She played about 20 minutes and left with over $1000 in winnings, while I've been there for hours to win $100. Go figure!

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