1/ Get them of out hot tubs, and leave me in an adult area that I can take the time to relax, chat to my fellow adult bathers,,,,without someones brat nearly climbing all over me.
2/ Get their liberal minded parents, sit them in a corner and we adults then climb all over them,,,,see how they like that.
3/ Start a new ship class entitled, They are your problem and because you are on vacation is not an excuse, vacation does not take away responsibility...Consider others
Actually the last one will not work.as you are working between the DONT CARE brigade and the "THEY ARE LITTLE PEOPLE BRIGADE, Bollocks to all of you, think about the rest of us.
Personally I'm fed up with either ignorant parents or woolly minded parents when I vacation. Get a grip of your children, they are NOT adults. SO if I kick their butt out, what are you going to do in reply........its this question that is the problem for most ordinary people today, and not just in cruising. Angry adults I can deal with. but not the potential impications that can come from an other adult when I decide to do the parents job regarding rules and behaviour.
So if your kid is spoiling my hot tub and I kick their butt out, come and talk to me....I'll tell you why
Personally I do not use the hot tubs for various reasons stated above. But on one of my cruises on the Enchantment of the Seas, one sign stated "No children" can't remember if it gave an age limit or not, anyways, the entire hot tub was full of kids laughing splashing and carrying on. A man tried to enter the hot tub and told the kids to knock it off or get out, one of the parents to these kids was sitting nearby and a fist fight ensued on the deck! I seen it with my own two eyes. Don't know where the staff was, but a couple of other men passengers broke up the fight, all the kids got out and the hot tub stayed empty for quite awhile after that! Maybe some lines enforce the rules and maybe all of them do better today then they did about 4 years ago, but that was a sight to behold.
Hey I pay a lot of money for my kids to go on a cruise. I have to get a second cabin for them, so they get charged adult cabin rates. They can go in the hot tub! Don't like it? To Bad. Have something to say about it, tell it to my rear end. Put you hand on my child and I will throw you overboard.
I just love the kids playing, splashing, and stepping all over everyone as they keep getting in and out of the hot tub. Then they jump into the pool and scream because its cold, so they race back into the hot tub. I finally broke down and said something to the kids when none of the other adults would though you could see they wanted to and thanked me later (hey I was pregnant and my patience was pretty thin-by the way I was sitting on the edge of the hot tub with only my legs in, which is what I allow my 3 yr old to do while daddy soaks away). Anyways, I said something to the kids, and gosh darn wouldnt you know it-the parents were sitting right in there with us the entire time never saying a word! However, they were quick to respond to me by telling me off!
Okay Familyman, you now have two guys, one looks like current military (based on posted address) and one ex military and nearly 50 but still fit.
So are you still going for throwing us overboard, as the way to deal with it? Dream on bud
Thanks for the backup CC, problem in real life is that ordinary people are frightened of wind bags like that or as we say tossers like that , and as a consequence they will not stand up for themselves......... Not sure on tosser people , try google.
Homer, they are your children, your responsibility no matter the price YOU paid to inflict them on others. Hey we paid as well
Please reply and justify your and your childrens behaviour, re cost of being there and what you expect is allowed or justified for your children to inflict themselves on others, bet a $100 to a dime,,,,,,,you dont or cant
Oh my....David B and CC. Your post's were fantastic and hit it right on the head. I'm 99% sure that familyman wouln't have the guts to come back and reply. Familyman should be renamed as liberalman. Maybe he should call good ole' Hillary and find out why the villiage isn't taking care of his kids?
Happy sails to those who take responsability for their actions.
First thing is that my kids are too young to go off on their own. When we go into the hot tub,the come with us. They don't drink soda in the hot tube, but I have seen many adults sip their boozed up drinks in the hot tub. So who is the more foolish. Dave who says your rights are above my kids? I pay the same rates for them as I do for myself. Don't like it? Too bad. Your arrogant know it all personality does not impress me. And Sea Angel I am a moderate/conservative republican. If someone ever told me how to bring up my kids, I would tell them off. They go to church, respect others and do well in school. Their reward is cruising with us. Not dumping them off with there grand parents. My wife and I don't drink, don't do anything to dishonor our marriage and live honest and clean. We show compassion for others and respect for all. But when they cruise and get charged adults rates, they go in the hot tub. And Dave, you might be the bully here, with your rather high opinion of your self, but if you ever stood infront of me, you would not say two words that would offend me. Its always some who has alot to say but don't have the guts to say it becaue they fear getting their mouth filled with someones fist. Happy crusing Dave, beware of getting a bruising, by saying the wrong words to someone.
I have read this whole thread, What surprises me is the thought process that people goes through. Not all children are the same. But if a directive says no children allowed, (and age given) then no matter if you are a "moderate /conservative or the most liberal democrat" then it means no children under the age limit posted can enter! Lets all be responsible adults. I am way past the age of having children we are talking about, I love children, but some parents as I am sure I was in my earlier years want to have everything for their one and only. But teaching children to respect rules is one of the most important things a parent can do. We have become a society of "feel good" instead of teaching children respect of law and integrity
If your kids are to young to go off on their own.......... why do they have their own room????? I could not sleep knowing my young kids were off in a room by themselves. Wouldn't a suite be cheaper than 2 rooms? I think you should consult with their doc about them being in hot tubs
Familyman---If you teach your kids to respect others, why then don't you teach to respect SIGNS??? If a sign says no children, it means NO CHILDREN, whether it is on a cruise ship or on land. Just because you paid an adult fare for them doesn't make them an adult. Think about this, kids who are 15 and 16 years old pay adult rate at the movies but they can't go to adult films. WHY?????? Because they are KIDS. With your thinking, if that's what you call it, I suppose rules are for everyone except your kids.
I agree with Cheryl. You say you teach kids to respect others but not to respect the rules.
O.K. let's see; "the sign says no children allowed in the hot tubs but that doesn't really mean you little Johnny, that's for all the other kids on the ship. You are special Little Johnny, you don't have to abide by the rules. You don't have to abide by any company's rules if you don't want to because it's you Little Johnny. And when you get older you don't have to abide by the laws either because you are special."
My beef was just the bratty kids! I love kids, have 4 myself and can't wait for my first Grandbaby in November. Maybe my beef should be with the parents who think their "little Johnny" is so special that he doesn't have to obide by rules set for "other" kids.
Familyman, if your kids aren't bratty, then why are you sounding so upset? Cherrie had a good question of how it is that your kids are too small to go off on their own but they have their own room. I too would never let my little one go off on her own OR have her own room. Of course, I would never let them go into the ships bar that also has rules against kids.
The parents are going on the cruise to get away, relax, and oh yeah bring their kids. I think we are all expecting a lot if we think these people should have to watch their kids?! Tommy & Susie are running all over the decks of the ship unattended, knocking over people, being little angels,Tommy decides to hurdle a deck chair, and trips overboard. You can bet Mom & Dad would suddenly appear, & have the cruiseline in court for providing an unsafe environment!
Hey Familyman........I am a true conserviative and their is NO moderate rep. Either you are one or your NOT. BMHO...oh course. If the cruise line say's NO KIDS UNDER 18.............then.........NO KIDS. I don't care if you paid a million bucks for your two rooms. Abide by the rules! As some of the posts said above..........what kind of example are u setting by not following the rules?
You just don't get it do you. Why should my kids not be able to use the hot tub when I am paying abult rates for them. Sign or no sign. As far as cabins go, we get connecting. If they get charged adults rates, they get adult access to the hot tub. I did not make the rules but I do pay the rates. I will email the cruise lines about this gripe. Many of my friends are in the same boat and feel the same way. Don't like young families? Too bad, we don't like crabby seniors and snobs. Better start to like it, we and famlies like us are going on more and more cruises and our money is what they want. Hey if they put a hot tub area near the childrens pool, I would use it. Besides know one has every asked my sons to leave the hot tub. You people really are crabby. I feel sorry for you.
I think it's you who doesn't get it. Hot tubs are dangerous for children, which is one reason for the rule. It has to do with the high temperatures, strong chemicals, and the jets affect on their smaller bodies, not to mention getting their hair sucked into the outflow valve while they are "scuba diving", as I have seen quite a few unsupervised children doing. If you cared about those kids as much as you say you do, you would not want them doing something dangerous to them just because you think its their "right" to do so.
Familyman--Here is another example of your stupid pay as an adult logic: you buy first class seats on an airline for you and your kids. Being in first class entitles you to free alcohol. Are you going to let your kids drink because YOU PAID FOR THEM AS ADULTS??????
What about when they reach a certain age, you have to pay for them as adults at restaurant buffets. If the buffet comes with an alcoholic drink, are you going to let them drink it because YOU PAID FOR THEM AS ADULTS????????????
You state that because they pay adult rates they should get access to the hot tub. So I guess they can have access to the nightclubs where there is heavy drinking, dirty dancing, adult conversation and other things not appropriate for kids, access to a cigar room if the ship has one and access to the complimentary drinks at the Captains Gala because YOU PAID FOR THEM AS ADULTS!!!!!!
You are the one who needs to GET IT. There is a reason there are rules but it is people like you who think you are above the rules that causes problems. Open your eyes to the fact that just because you can pay for whatever you want for you and your kids, breaking the rules is not a perk.
Let's hope your children are smart enough to someday learn that rules are there for a reason and not to be broken or twisted to suit ones own needs. I will pray that your children do no turn out with your logic.
And by the way I am not a crabby senior or a snob but a proud mother of two wonderful children, 18 and 20, who happen to follow the rules.
There are rooms that have fold down beds, sofa beds etc would it not be cheaper to have two adults an two kids in one of these rooms as apposed to two cabins? I would think the cruise lines would lose money big time if they rented kiddie cabins cheap. You are not exactly paying adult prices for the kids, you are paying adult prices to have two cabins. Sounds to me some parents would rather have a door to close to seperate themselves from their kids as to be in the same room with them. When my daughter was young, she stayed in the same room as me I didn't put her in another room. Maybe there are no hot tub in the kiddie pool area because they don't want kiddies in the hot tub????????? Yes, when these kids die from being in hot tubs, the fool parents will try to sue the cruise lines (even tho signs are posted: no kids) but to me......... my daughters life is worth more than any money I could get from suing a cruise line for my own stupidity
I think it’s safe to say that there is not a large demographic that shares the opinion that it’s Ok for kids to break rules anytime they or their parents please.
I’m sure that the amusement park rides that restrict which children can ride based on their height, look forward to debating with the few parents that thinks rules do not apply to them. I’m sure their parents paid the same price for smaller children as the ones that are allowed to ride.
It’s like speeding; it tends to only matter when a policeman writes a ticket. Rules and laws are in place to help citizens make mature choices about their actions. Common sense should be enough, but when that fails, rules and laws have to be enforced.
The majority of the cruisers buy tickets with the understanding that there will be rules and those rules will be enforced. I can’t see a cruise line surviving very long that ignore their own rules to allow a few “exception” cases to board. I doubt very seriously that the cruise lines are “seeking” more families that bring kids, that don’t gamble, that don’t drink in place of adults that do. An adult that drinks alcohol will spend more in a couple of hours than a single kiddie’s soda card will cost the whole week shared by a family of five. Anytime one demographic affects another, the cruise line loses money.
Bottom line is the cruise line wants the ship filled to capacity with anyone that will spend lots money once they are aboard. They don’t care if the passengers are little green men from mars as long as the currency is transferable.
Las Vegas is a good example. Years back they started advertising to appeal to families and it got where you couldn’t walk down the casino area because of a dozen Brady Bunch families blocking the way. They came, they saw, they ate the $7.99 Steak and Lobster, dropped a nickel in a slot and went home. Now they are regretting that action and are now trying to re-attract an adult crowd with the phrase “what happens here stays here”.
……..and I don’t think they are talking about kids in the hot tub.