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Old July 25th, 2005, 03:32 PM
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Also it can apply to on board expenses too. I started cruising when I was 20 - didn't wait - don't want kids... I did not buy anything on board and did not buy excursions if we could not afford them. No soda, no drinks, no shopping but we were able to cruise. Back then cruising cost a lot more too. After a few cruises we were able to buy a few more things - we could afford more. SO just because they are young and on board doesn't mean they can not afford to be there. BUT I do know that many people younger than me have to have the house the size of Moms when they are only 25 when mom worked 30 years to buy hers. I do understand the point but it can be taken the wrong way by a newbie so thought I'd clarify that I did start young but only bought what I could afford.... By the way that was our first anniversary but our "honeymoon" as well because we couldn't afford one when we got married - we were lucky to go out to dinner so we saved all year ourselves to go on a honeymoon..... Debbie
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I grew up in a single-parent household with a brother and a sister. Family vacations were things that happened to other people. It was just never in the cards for my family, when there were braces, new waterheaters, etc to pay for. I was extremely fortunate in high school that I got to visit Europe twice, and even more so with study abroad in college. But prior to my taking my current job as a TA, I've never had what can be considered a proper vacation as an adult.

As an adult, I am extremely grateful to have to opportunities to have a vacation. I'm even more blessed to be able to do such things at prices that the general public isn't able to get, even if some of those are working vacations via FAM trip. I'm taking my first vacation with my partner in a few weeks. He's a few years younger than I am (I'm late twenties, he's mid), and he grew up in an extremely sheltered, isolated household. He's never been on a cruise, or a plane, or even to Florida before, and I've put a lot of pressure on myself to make sure everything is perfect.

But I've also always considered a vacation to be a luxury and not a necessity, at least in American society. I think it's a shame when we look at our vacation habits versus those from Europe. I don't necessarily think that we're all workaholics (okay, I am), nor do I think Europeans are lazy (far from it), but I guess it bothers me that we treat our leisure time so cavalierly.

I'm probably not making any sense. I've been wrangling with hurricane changes all day and my brain has pretty much fried.
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starri,

I think you make perfect sense (fried brain, or not!).

Like you, we never had real family vacations. My father was in sales and we would go with him to Hot Springs (AR) a couple of times during the summer. He worked while we enjoyed ourselves. We stayed in a hotel with a pool (and a sizable discount since he sold to them). I thought it was wonderful!

Many of my friends went on "big" vacations, but most of their families went into debt to do that.

When my DH and I were first married we didn't have money for vacations either. We went to visit my in-laws every year for many years. We stayed with them, so the only cost to us was the gas to get there. Now, after 25 years together, we have saved enough money so that we can afford to cruise without going into debt. It's truly a wonderful thing!

Please try not to worry too much about everything being "perfect" for your partner. Everything will be so new and exciting for him. On our first cruise I was a little nervous, but we were with people who had cruised before, so that made everything so much easier. I'm sure if he's with you he'll be happy, no matter what happens!

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I think there's a hurricane gripe to be had somewhere in this.

I've probably spent six hours today to track down two hotel rooms in Cancun after the hotel the clients were supposed to be at was damaged in the hurricane. This is for next week. The kicker? They're not even my clients.

I'm just a control freak. I think that's where my anal need for perfection comes from.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 06:48 AM
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Yes you are off base in this (with the exception of the tips). A tip is part of the cruise and if a person cant afford it they shouldnt go on the cruise. The cruise employees work for a living and the tips are mostly what they work for. If they give good service they should be given a good tip. But as to the rest you are completely off base.

Why should a family not cruise simply because they cant afford extras. If they can pay for the cruise they should go on the cruise if they want and enjoy themselves. Why are people cruising if they cant afford the extras, because they like cruising. The question should be why arent they cruising if they have the money for the cruise and want to go on the cruise.

Most of the extras you mention are completely unnecessary to go on a cruise. You dont need anything that most if not all people already have in their closets for most cruises. Formal night isnt so formal anymore on most ships. Most if not all men own at least one sport coat they dont need to buy a tuxedo or even a new sport coat, most cruises provide free lemonade, ice tea, and the like 24 hours a day so you dont need to buy any drinks, and often the cruise excursions are geared toward the uneducated Ive seen a cruise ship charge $40 for a snorkeling excursion to a free snorkeling sight and $20 for a beach excursion to a free beach.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 07:27 AM
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Hey, before leaving home, we can also pack a cooler and some PBJ's (peanut butter and jelly sandwich)!

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Old July 27th, 2005, 07:54 AM
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Why would anyone pack a cooler and peanut butter and jelly for a cruise. You must not be a very experienced cruiser. Part of a good cruise is good food. Not all adults and certainly no children need alcohol to have a good time. Im not saying that you sholdnt purchase the extras if you want them but that not being able to afford the extras is no reason for someone who wants to cruise to not go on the cruise
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I don't think people have issues with folks who, by choice or by budget, don't choose to partake in any of the ships' optional services. I think what people take issue with (myself included) is those people who cannot afford to partake in a particular facet of the cruise experience somehow be accommodated so that they can in fact partake. Best example of this is those who would rather show up in a collared shirt and tie rather than an actual suit on formal night because they can't afford formal wear. If they can afford the cruise, then they should by all means take the cruise, but if they can't afford formal wear, they shouldn't expect the line to make an exception for them. Formal nights (or not, on NCL) are part of the experience that you're paying for. If someone doesn't want to go to the trouble (and quite often, I don't either), most ships provide ample opportunities to eat elsewhere.
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Gertrude you have missed the point entirely. This thread has nothing to do with affording the extras. It has to do with not being able to afford the cruise at all and actually giving up basics and necessitities to do it anyway. I am ,for example, not talking about the ability to afford formal clothes. I am talking about not being able to afford Clothes, any clothes, not vacation clothes, but warm winter coats and a hat and gloves for the kids. Not excursions on a cruise, but food and shelter for the family. The car needs to be fixed so I can get to work, I can't afford that , but yet I cruise and hit the casino as well. That is what this post was origonally about.
I would deny no one the right or ability to cruise and put down no ones ambitions to do so, but I question the economic priorities of some travellers.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 03:09 PM
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Gertrude, along the lines of what PapaBill was saying, I was only commenting on how to make a cruise more affordable to go on, and while you are there.

If you eat PBJ's and Kraft Dinner 5 out of 7 days for 2 weeks leading up to cruise, then that savings alone would cover the cost of tipping the porter. If you bring your own sandwiches from home, then if you are in port, you don't have to find a nice restaurant to bother eating the local food, but can enjoy the PBJ's for free!
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My point of going on a cruise and being able to enjoy the extras is that if you are tight on budget in the first place just paying for it, then you are probably going to opt out of some of the things that make a complete cruise vacation what it is.

A cruise is not an all inclusive land vacation. There are things to enjoy that cost a few more bucks while on board. Also, if you can barely afford the cruise, chances are you are sacrificing things at home you shouldn't be to go on the cruise.

I do want to add that I really don't care if someone takes out a loan (which people do) to go; it is none of my business. I am just making a comment on the subject.

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What I find amusing is people who read a post but don't read a post!!!!!

Papa Bill originally posted about people who will take a cruise (spend needed money) but can't afford to purchase "a suit coat" for formal night, for instance.

He says, so eloquently I might add, that if a person can't afford anything beyond the cruise fare then in all likelihood they are not in a financial position to be affording the cruise. Their financial situation is too perilous to be taking such a vacation.

A pay check these days is very fragile, indeed. If there is not enough money in the bank account to buy some extras on the ship then probably the bank account needs to be the priority as there are always life's unexpectancies which could ruin a family if a layoff, medical condition, auto accident, were to occur.

Right on PapaB!

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Old July 27th, 2005, 08:23 PM
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banker's comment reminds me of a woman I once talked to who asked if I could cancel off the ship's meal plan, because she was going to be bringing her own food and cooking it in her kitchenette.

And no, this wasn't The World, either.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 12:16 AM
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starri, let me try to be more clear, I will ask if I can bring my own toilet paper, and get a reduced rate on the cruise. I once tried to bring a little coleman camp stove with me. Starri, let me tell ya, cold sandwiches can get a little stale sometimes so I brought a can of beans and a pot. It was that simple. They refused to discount the cost of the cruise. I even complained at the purser's desk. I wrote a letter when I got back and they didn't respond. I can't believe their shortsightedness. Don't they want me to cruise again. We will have enough saved up to cruise again in 11 years. Well they ain't getting my business again I tell ya.

Gertrude you're with me on this aren't ya?

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Old July 28th, 2005, 01:58 AM
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Banker-are you joking ? People dont get discounts for bringing toilet paper or their own food. Good food is an important part of a cruise. Cruises have good food and plenty of it, there would be no reason for anybody to bring food on a cruise. As far as bringing peanut butter and jelly so as to avoid paying for a restaurant in port, there is plenty of food on the cruise. Most cruises have 24 hour food of some kind and pride themselves in gourmet meals so there is no need for anyone to eat in any restaurant in port. I suppose some would say that eating in the foreign country is part of the cruise experience. Thats not always true. It depends on the nature of the cruise. Many cruise passengers dont really go into the foreign countries at all, they go to tourist havens where al the other Americans go. They dont see how people from other countries live much less how they eat. Some people never leave the ship.

I disagree with your assessment that a cruise is not an all inclusive land vacation. It is not a land vacation but a cruise ship is a floating resort and can be an all inclusive vacation. A cruise ship is not an airplane it is not in this day and age really a means of transportation (with the exception of some round the world cruises). The cruise is the vacation not the means to get to the vacation.

As to a complete cruise experience, what someone misses on one cruise they can catch on another. Particularly in short term cruises (<14 days) you really arent in port long enough to really explore the country, most short term cruises only allow time for a day at the beach or snorkling in a few different ports and that can be done for free and no cruise allows time to do everything.

As to things to enjoy that cost money on board the ship such as gambling and alcohol. If someone cant afford them or chooses not to spend their money on such there is no reason why they should not be able to simply enjoy the cruise. Why should they miss the benefits of the cruise because they dont have or choose not to spend money on gambling or alcohol.

You do raise another issue though (which is really an issue for another gripe and that is people who try to steal from cruise lines. There is someone on another post who is demanding that the cruise line give her a free cruise claiming that she found a dirty diaper in her room several days after the cruise started. How does anyone know if she planted the diaper.

Starri- I agree with you regarding formal night. If a person can not afford or doesnt want to wear formal attire most ships have a pool deck buffet where formal attire is not required. The pool deck buffets have decent food and they wont starve. In fact I personally prefer the pool deck buffets for lunch. But the fact is that many cruises now a days dont really require formal wear on "formal" night or any type of attire that most people dont already have in their closet. A suit or sports jacket and tie for the man and a long skirt for the woman is acceptable and common on many cruise formal nights. And on non formal nights pretty much anything including jeans is acceptable and common in many cruise dinning rooms.

PapaBill- You're giving mixed messages on your posts. Your post seems to say your gripe is that people shouldnt go on cruises if they can afford the cruise extras but in another post you say people shouldnt go on cruises if they can afford basic necessities for their children.

I agree that if someone has no money for rent, car payments , clothes and food, then they should not go on a cruise and certainly should not be gambling." But there is a a large group of people who fall in between no money for rent, car payments, clothes and food and not enough money for a "complete cruise experience" as banker defines it. There is no reason why those people cant go on a cruise and no go gambling etc.

The bottom line is that cruising is no longer a luxury expense only for the very rich, the average person can and if they want should cruise.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 03:16 AM
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Easy Cruise is the perfect living vehicle to test the theory about paying as you go cruises..if they are successful it will impact the rest of the industry and make cruising affordable for people who cannot afford to go on a cruise
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Old July 28th, 2005, 06:22 AM
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Why would someone leave a dirty diaper?

If you used a cloth diaper you could take it back to your cabin and wash it out and leave it on the balcony to dry.

If you have an inside cabin then I'm sure you could put it in a public area on a public deck (outside the main dining room for example). Or just set up a clothes line between two deck chairs by the pool. Hey, it will dry quickly and you can use those chairs afterwards and no one will try to take them from you!

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Good grief is this for real?

"If someone cant afford them or chooses not to spend their money on such there is no reason why they should not be able to simply enjoy the cruise. Why should they miss the benefits of the cruise because they dont have or choose not to spend money on gambling or alcohol."..Gertrude

Please read the subject of this thread again.... it says "We CAN'T afford.. it does not say we choose not to spend money on gambling or alcohol. If one CAN'T afford any extras don't you surmise they probably are not in a financially solid foundation to be taking such a vacation anyway? If they only have enough for the cruise don't you think it's a bit risky to empty out a bank account entirely to take a cruise or max out the credit cards so they are paying for it for months with interest?

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Old July 28th, 2005, 08:30 PM
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Venice- Easy Cruise has gone too far to the other extreme. They provide no food, no pool, no shows and travel only at night in the Carribean and mostly at night in Europe. Its more like a ferry then a cruise. I like the fact that everything necessary (other than the tips which are easy to calculate before hand) for the cruise is included in a crusie fare. Good food, good entertainment, and sitting by the pool in the sun are important parts of a cruise vacation.
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Gertrude, cruises are NOT, I repeat NOT all inclusive vacations. True, there are many things included in the cost of a cruise, but it is far from being all inclusive.

You haven't read many of Bankers posts, have you? Sometimes his tongue is planted so firmly in his cheek it's in his ear (now there's an image for you). A sense of humor is a pre-requisite for understanding some posters (and it makes life a bit more liveable if you ask me).

If you can't afford to take at least $50 per person, per day (and this is a low amount from what I've heard), then more than likely you should not be cruising. A cruise is a luxury vacation, not a budget vacation. You can take steps to budget for a cruise, pay it all off before you go and watch your pennines on board and in ports, but it's NOT for someone without financial solidity.

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Imagine - someone taking our "Banker" seriously. I doubt if Mrs. Banker actually does that - tee hee.

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Old July 29th, 2005, 12:44 AM
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Wifey never takes me seriously, when she said "yes" she thought she was going along with the joke........ha ha little did she know!

I wish my boss would take me seriously sometimes, when I asked him about promotion he laughed, I wonder why...............

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Old July 29th, 2005, 05:11 AM
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Dorothy-You and I disagree. Yes I have read Bankers posts, they are entertaining but since I've gone on numerous cruises I dont need to read anyones posts to decide whether or not to go on a cruise. Cruises are not a luxury vacation. Cruises are simply a nice thing to do to get out of the cold weather and relax or to see an interesting culture or just to get some clean water to swim, snorkel or scuba dive in.

I have gone on numerous cruises where I have not spent a single penny (other than tips) other than the cost of the cruise. Its usually a last minute thing, I see a good price for a cruise and I feel like cruising so I go. Already have clothes so dont need to buy new clothes for the cruise. Already have a passport so dont need to buy that. Own snorkeling equipment so dont need to buy that. Before going on the cruise I look on the internet for things to do in port usually free beaches and snorkeling walking distance or inexpensive transportation from the ship and might check a travel guide out of the library for the ports involved. Good food is available on the ship as is entertainment, why pay extra for those when they are already available and paid for as part of the cruise. As I do not crave alchohol or gambling its not a big deal not to have those and already have a camera so dont need their pictures.

If a person wants to cruise and has the money to pay for the cruise but not extras there is no reason why they should not cruise.

As to your spending $50.00 per day in addition to the price of the cruise just out of curiosity what do you spend it on.
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Old July 29th, 2005, 06:57 AM
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Gertrude, you have been on many cruises and know exactly what to expect, what you may or in your case, may not spend in the way of extras while onboard. However, someone who may be thinking to themselves "Re: Re: We can't afford----- so is it alright if we -----???" has obviously not cruised that often and is obviously budget conscious, otherwise they would not be asking the question.

I maintain that a person such as this will not fully experience all that a cruise has to offer unless they try some of the "extras" on board. This person has not had the benefit of several cruise vacations to have made that decision for themselves.

There is another type of person that may be asking this question; the "el-cheapo" who is trying to go on a cruise vacation and save as much money as possible. I say that a cruise is not for this person because with any type of money limititation or just a frugal nature then this is not the type of vacation for them.

You must have purchased your snorkel equipement at some point. If you didn't already have it, you would "el-cheapo" your way out of it and miss out that while in port. (not that I would take that stuff with me anyways). You say you already have clothes, but again for someone who doesn't, they would need to buy the appropriate clothing otherwise they MAY feel underdressed etc. (again you and I would know because we have been on several cruises), a person who has not would not know how they feel about their attire until they get there, and with a budget limit they probably won't like it.

You do not "crave" alchohol or gaming, but if you have cruised before you know that most people would like a coolie or drop a quarter here or there on board. Again, enjoyment would be limited if you didn't have the budget for it.

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I guess I should consider myself lucky. I am 20 (will be 21 for the next cruise) and found 2 friends to go along too. We are all paying our own way at this age...of course, none of us really has any expenses to speak of. We are college students still living at home when not at school. So except for school books, gas $ for our cars....our money is mostly discretionary, as opposed to disposable income.

We plan to do a couple ships excursions and then a few on our own, and perhaps indulge in some of the "drinks of the day" . Probably won't do the pay extra restaurant, and for formal night we are lucky our senior prom dresses still fit! (I have been waiting for another opportunity to wear that dress again!)

When I graduate and start working (one more year left of school and thanks to an internship I got a job offer from a large accounting firm for after I graduate) will I be able to afford a cruise again so soon? Probably not. I'll have rent (anything around where I live and the job is, is through the roof), food, utilities etc...to pay for first. But I'll be back to it soon enough. Cruising is certainly not a priority over food and shelter, but I would put it, along with vacations in general not far behind. Other people may not, everyone is different!
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My $50 per day, Gertrude:

drinks
casino
speciality coffee onboard
shops on board
shopping in ports
excursions in ports
bingo
internet access onboard
phone card in port
taxis in port
arcade onboard
spa onboard

The new cruiser might also need to know about $10-$12 parking in ports if they are driving. We have to figure in at least $100 for kennel fees. There are many, many costs (clothes, etc. have been pointed out by banker) outside the actual cost of the cruise itself.

If you really can spend absolutely nothing, then good for you, but most people spend SOMETHING on a cruise. I can't imagine visiting ports and not spending anything. One of the reasons I cruise is to stop in ports and doing that without money, even if it means a taxi ride to use your own snorkel equipment, would be virtually impossible.

I'm taking a cruise to "The peoples undemocratic republic of bankeristan" myself.....just hope they aren't displaying that "union crack" flag....

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Dorothy,

The only thing on your list that I might spend anything on is excursions in ports. However, the things that my wife does on cruises will probably exceed her $50 and take part of my unused $50.

I notice that tips were not on your list. I guess that you plan the same way we do and include tips as part of the cruise. Certainly tips are a very important part of cruise costs.

If someone can't afford the costs of a cruise, I think they would enjoy it a lot more if they saved until they could.
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I think Paul B has summed everything up very well with one little sentence!

"If someone can't afford the costs of a cruise, I think they would enjoy it a lot more if they saved until they could."

I wouldn't want to cruise if I couldn't afford the "extras". But if someone else wants to cruise without the "extras" AND without spending their "necessities" money, that's okay with me!

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Banker-No one on a cruise experiences "all that a cruise has to offer." If youre out shopping all day you dont experience the beach, if youre scuba diving your not experincing jet skiing, if you go to the specialty restaurants you dont experience the traditional dining room, if youre in the tobacco smoke filled casino you dont experience relaxing, the ocean air, and the shows, and if someone is doing any of these they are likely not are not out meeting the people and cultures of the country they are visit.

Your suggestion that a cruise is not for anyone with "any type of money limitation." is incorrect. Everyone has money limitations they vary from person to person but we all have money limitations. Some people actually like being on the ship, the ocean, the pool. ship food, ship entertainment, or just being in the sun rather than the snow etc. Who is to say that a cruise is not right for them if they enjoy those things.

Under your theory if a person can not afford to buy a Rolls Royce they should not drive, if they cant afford 5 star dining they should not eat out, cant afford a 5 star hotel they should stay at home, if a person can not afford to fly first class they should not fly, cant afford a balcony cabin they shoud not cruise, cant afford a mansion shouldnt buy a home, cant afford 100 karat diamond rings they should not wear jewelry, can not afford front row seats to a show they should not go to the show etc This is incorrect.

As to gambling sad to say it is more frequent in poor desperate people than the wealthy. The odd for gambling are for the cruise ship to win. There is nothing wrong with gambling if someone wants as long as they realize that they are spending money on entertainment and they are not likely to get rich quick .

A snorkel and mask at the end of the season can be purchased for about $6.00 about what a tourist site charges for one days use of the snorkel definitely worth it if you plan on going snorkeling more than once in a lifetime.

As to clothes most people already have all of the clothes they need, there is absolutely no reason to go out and buy new clothes for a cruise. I dont know of any man who does not own at least one suit, a suit is perfectly acceptable for formal night. Likewise woman generally have something in their closet which will do for formal night. Formal night on most ships is not black tie anymore or at least not mandatory black tie. In general people tend to dress pretty casually no most cruises now a days. There is simply no need for new clothes for a cruise. Now if someone does not own a bathing suit I guess they'll proably want to buy one for the cruise but who doesnt own a bathing suit.

If a person has money for the cruise but not extras why not enjoy the cruise. If a person spends all of their money one one cruise they wont have enough money for another cruise next month etc.People make choices of their priorities no one is right or wrong its just different priorities for different peoiple.

As to passports yes the government has to issue them and they dont issue them to non citizens but they dont give passports out for free, people have to pay to get a passport, thus they are buying it and if they have to buy their passport at the last minute it costs about triple.

Dorothy- most of the things you spend money on on a ship I would not choose to spend money on on a ship. As to shopping I can shop at home I dont need to go on a cruise to shop and generally dont want to spend the time in port shopping , what I cant do at home is go to a clean beach or seeing other cultures. There are exceptions I might shop in ports which are exotic ports with unique items (which is happening less and less in our smaller and smaller world) or in a port where things are expecially inexpensive. Shopping on the ship is a waste of money. Most things for sale on the ships are available at home and can be bought for less money at home.

If you do go on a cruise to go shopping you obviously need more money , again thats a priority,

Luckily I dont have to pay to park in the port. Parking at the port is expensive and an expense people can generally eliminate. The kennel fee can not be avoided. If you have pets that is part of the cruise.

I have gone on cruises and not spent a single penny above the cost of the cruise (other than tips), many ports have free beaches and snorkeling walking distance, occassionally there is a small transportation cost to get to beach, but its certainly a lot less than $50 a day.

I agree that if a person cant afford basic necessities then they should be cruising, but if they can pay for their basic necessities and choose to go on a cruise without extras rather than no cruise at all then they certainly should do so.
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I didn't propose a theory. It was my opinion, and you interpreted it wrong. Can't afford the rolls don't drive etc is way off the mark. If you have trouble making the mort payments, don't go buy a new bimmer. If you're cutting back on groceries because of your situation, don't eat out. Those are the priorities I'm talking about.

It is your opinion that shopping can be done at home, but I know that my wife loves to buy new jewellery and stuff in ports, she looks forward to it. She also enjoys strolling and buying stuff on the ship. Why is that a waste of money.

Yes everyone has limitations but please tell me you were joking about not knowing what I really mean. I mean realisitic limitations. Yes a grand extra would be "whatever", 5 grand extra would be "what the %@%$#$%" and 10 grand would be "oh sh..it". But if a hundred bucks puts you in the "oh sh..it" catagory then that is what I meant. Also, my opinion is that if you have to finance (loan, run credit card, etc) any part of a vacation that in MY OPINION it is not a responsible way of living because you are not prepared for circumstances that life sometimes throws at you.

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It all goes back to how my parents raised me and I hopefully impressed upon my son...when you get paid, you tithe to your church first, pay yourself (save) in the amount that you tithe, pay your bills and shop with coupons, look for bargins, and always shop with a list (controls impulse buying). I added carry only American Express (forces you to budget on a monthly basis), a gas card (for auto repair once your warrenty expires) and one card to a good clothing store (always buy clothes of quality, you have fewer clothes but they last longer and look better)

If you come across unexpected money, you put aside a third for unexpected emergencies, a third towards bills, and have fun with a third

My cruising budget comes out of the combination of of what's left at the end of each month and unexpected funds. If I have no unexpected emergencies (of which I have had a few lately), I cruise more, if not, I don't cruise and read these boards to cruise vicariously thru others who can afford

But I would never be so presumptous, to comment on whether someone else can or can not afford to cruise. That's there right to spend their money how they seem fit,so again I plead for folks to cut people some slack about this issue
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