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Old May 15th, 2006, 11:51 AM
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First night, Galaxy. Table for 8. All strangers. Last couple arrives,, he has on his baseball cap. Leaves it on. Service begins. Ass't Maidtre D' asks him to REMOVE his cap!!!! (quietly and professioanlly)

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He did. They never came back into the dining room.

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I am a bit confused. You are implying that this couple were not worth knowing because he wore a cap into the dining room and that not dining with them made your cruise wonderful?

Perhaps they felt the same way about you.

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Old May 15th, 2006, 01:19 PM
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Wearing your hat at the table it not good manners. I learned that one living on the farm as a young boy. However, just because someone didn't take it off doesn't mean they weren't worth getting to know. Perhaps they were too embarrassed to come back. If they acted like a jerk for being asked to remove it then that's another story.

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I've noticed that it seems very common for men to leave baseball caps on no matter where they are. My first thought is that they just forget its on thier head. My next thought is... they must be having a bad hair day to want to keep that on all day long. I'll just chalk it up to a different generation.

I hope the guy was pleasant after the hat came off. I'm sure the couple would have been perfectly nice but the guy may not have been comfortable without his hat on. Thats too bad.
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maybe he was having cancer treatments and was losing his hair or had some other physical problem that he was embarrassed about ?

most men don't wear hats at the dinner table (especially if they are with their wives who won't allow it), so don't judge at first blush, there may be other issues
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I'm glad to an example of the cruise lines enforcing the rules. I only wish it was the rule and not the exception.
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I'm glad to an example of the cruise lines enforcing the rules. I only wish it was the ule and not the exception.
The cruiselines DO need to enforce the rules, and be consistent about it.
For those who feel the guy had a reason for keeping the cap on, I can understand your thinking. But it goes back to displaying good manners AND complying with rules.
If he had a valid medical reason, he could have briefly explained it to the tablemates as well as the waiter, and asked permission to keep it on. I doubt that his request would have been denied. Generally, people are pretty compassionate and understanding.
"Bad hair day" is not an adequate excuse.
Since that did not happen, then, unfortunately, having to be embarrassed will serve as a lesson in manners.

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Wearing a cap or hat at the dinner table is bad manners period and shows a certain lack of class. If someone has a medical condition that should warrant wearing a cap or hat, they could briefly advise the other diners as to a problem and I'm sure people would certainly understand.
It's not exactly that someone wearing a cap at dinner isn't worthy of knowing, but if they have any self respect and manners, they wouldn't do it to begin with and by doing so, are basically advertising that they don't have any respect for anyone else, their spouse or themselves.

Would belching, passing gas, picking your nose and slurping your soup from the bowl be ok too ?

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I'm with you all...no manners. In my opion a ball cap should always be taken off inside. Sorry, that's the way I was brought up and I really am not that old! Also, bad hair day...sorry that doesn't cut it. A shower before dinner would take 5 minutes for most of the guys I know.
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I really do agree with you guys.. I just didn't want to put it that way.

It's also possible that the guy just didn't know that it was bad manners to leave his hat on. I know... *GASP* but think about it.

Unless your raised that it is bad manners then you wouldn't know.

Many kids only go to fast food places for "dinner". I know many people who never cook at home much less eat dinner as a family. Where do you learn what's bad manner or table edicate when you don't practice it at home?
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It sounds to me like he decided it was more important to wear his cap than come to dinner in the dining room. That's his choice.

I also agree that if he had some medical reason to wear a cap, everyone would have understood, though it seems to me there are nicer hats to wear than a baseball cap. Women who lose their hair due to chemotherapy often wear all sorts of wigs, scarves, and hats but would unlikely choose a baseball cap for dinner.
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Maybe the cruise lines are listening to all the gripes about not enforcing dress codes. On our last Princess and NCL cruise I overheard the maitre' de advise people of the dress code, as they were in violation. In both cases it was done politely and professionally and it was done before the people were seated so it was not in front of table mates.

I have seen baseball caps all too often in the dining room and more so one one line than others, but it is refreshing to know that finally the rules are being enforced.

If you want an anything goes dress code that's fine, just say so. If you want a dress code then enforce it. Pick one, but be consistent.
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I don't have a problem with the enforcement of the rules but the way it was originally posted here shows just about the same lack of taste...to applaud that they were embarassed and also that they never came back is sad.....why do we assume all the bad things about a person and applaud someones mishaps ...the waiter should have been discreet about it and avoided any embarassment for all....How sad that one couples' cruise was tainted by a rude waiter and how sad that it is being applauded here...

We are soon going on our first cruise and I hope that we don't embarass ourselves in any way...my husband wears a stetson...most of the time...occasionally I have to remind him to remove it when it is not proper to have it on....I hope he doesn't forget to remove it in the dining room and even more...I hope I don't have to read you all high 5ing each other because someone made a faux pas on the cruise...
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Maybe the cruise lines are listening to all the gripes about not enforcing dress codes. On our last Princess and NCL cruise I overheard the maitre' de advise people of the dress code, as they were in violation. In both cases it was done politely and professionally and it was done before the people were seated so it was not in front of table mates.

I have seen baseball caps all too often in the dining room and more so one one line than others, but it is refreshing to know that finally the rules are being enforced.

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Let's hope cruiselines don't opt for an "anything goes" dress code. Can you imagine what we might see in the dining rooms? Truly scary!

Actually, the majority of PAX dress appropriately.

However, if there were no dress code, I wonder how many would wear inappropriate attire. Lack of a dress code could leave it open to each PAXs preference and for a few, their desire for comfort comes before anything else.
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DirtDobber: If you read the post by author Texasmunk...you will notice that it says," Ass't Maidtre D' asks him to REMOVE his cap!!!! (quietly and professioanlly)"

What did you want the Maidtre D' to do, first ask him to step outside and THEN tell him to remove his cap? Would that have been more discreet ?
Or maybe whisper in his ear? (while the rest of the group looks on and wonders whats wong)

I mean the guy was sitting there out in the open with a cap on...it's not like it was a secret. It' like trying to hide an elephant in your living room.

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On our recent cruise on Carribean Princess, the only sour note was a lady loudly complaining about what everyone else was wearing. One faux pas is as bad as another.
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He was just doing his job. If the offending man had read his cruise documents and brochures he would have known not to wear a baseball cap into the dining rooms during dinner hours.
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A dress code "suggestion" was finally enforced. Beautiful!
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I have a couple of questions here. Not trying to argue or anything, but just curious.

1) Does the dress code for the dining room specifically mention hats or baseball caps? I know each cruiseline has these things written up slightly differently.

2) Would you still have the same opinion if he had been wearing a tophat, fedora, etc.?

I do know that its generally considered impolite to wear a hat indoors, except when it is required for safety or other reasons. I am just curious what the real objection was.

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As far as I know, the top hat or fedora is supposed to come off at the table as well.
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I haven't really ever noticed, but do women still wear hats indoors? If so, they should also be politely informed to remove their hats.
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I haven't really ever noticed, but do women still wear hats indoors? If so, they should also be politely informed to remove their hats.
I'll answer your sarcastic question with a non-sarcastic response. Women are allowed to wear hats indoors. Don't like the answer? Feel free to start your own society and culture. Enjoy the buffet!
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Oh Oh Paul, I guess now woman will want us to put the toilet seats down. Oh my god, whats this world comming to. And her second remark about our own society and culture. WE HAD IT--- AND THEY RUINED IT.
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1) Does the dress code for the dining room specifically mention hats or baseball caps? I know each cruiseline has these things written up slightly differently.
Yes, most of the cruise lines say "no baseball caps" in the dining room for dinner.

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Well, it depends on who is wearing these. Some men, because of their religion, keep their head covered. Some of them wear a fedora, but most of them wear a small yarmulke, (or kippa) and no one really notices.

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Men are not supposed to wear hats indoors, women can . Women are also allowed to keep their hats on during the singing of the National Anthem ! It's an etiquette rule, and who can say why???
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I think that women also invented the necktie. That way, a man could wear it and be uncomfortable. If he refused, they would strangle him with it.

The next thing, they will tell a man it is improper to wear a bra, though I have seen some men who needed one.
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I was hoping Paul b would be out there...
I was not disappointed. Nope, the man smiled at the maitre D', removed the hat, had pleasant conversation, no one at the table said or did anything to make him uncomfortable after the hat was removed.
His choice....probably could not stand the other 6 people at his table and chose the buffet for the rest of the cruise.

Heck, let us not forget, those that follow the dress code are probably always wrong according to some folks while the guy in the flip-flops, cut offs, Cozumel T-shirt and baseball cap (probably wearing it backwards) must always be defended by Paul B.
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to answer your question about women wearing hats indoors. That goes way back in our culture when a lady was not considered to be properly dressed unless she wore a hat, and gloves, and beside that, most ladies hairdos are styled into and pinned into their hats.
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Munk, old buddy. I have never seen the person you describe in the dining room in the evening, although, I must confess, I look at what is on my plate rather than at the other passengers. Good taste is what is in the food.

I do believe that the vast majority of the passengers on cruise ships pretty much follow the suggested rules, whatever they may be. I dd notice that the latest brochure I have from Princess makes no mention of hats for either men or women in the dining room and refers only to not wearing cutoff jeans on casual nights. RCI also makes no mention of hats and refers to the wearing of slacks or trousers. Carnival refers to the wearing of casual resort wear on non formal nights and makes no mention of caps or jeans. I don't know about Celebrity's suggested attire.

I guess that it is ok to wear caps, though I really can't see why any man would want to do so inside and out of the sun. I have never worn jeans so I don't really know if certain jeans can be viewed as trousers.

Again, I don't feel that you can measure the true worth of a person by wealth, status or what they wear.
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Yep - you don't wear a baseball cap to a table. Obviously the guy felt embarrassed & didn't want to come back.

I'm happy this was done. Bravo!!!!
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