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Old June 8th, 2006, 08:16 PM
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I think RCCL should have done more for the Smiths. I for one am a witness to the uncaring attitude cruiselines can display. I think that yes RCCL felt they would be responsible (and they are) They tried their very best to cover themselves. They knew they could be liable. The Smith needs a good lawyer. I don't think they handle the situation on the investigation in Turkey the way they should've. I saw Oprah and it was said by the wife that it was out that she made be involved somehow. Anyway, it is very interesting.

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I saw the show, and realized it was a repeat. I think that because of the Smith's the cruise folks are doing more now. I think they treated her as well as they could. I just wish she and hubby had spent more time not drinking, and less time fighting, so that we would not have to have this debate.

I do hope the wife keeps talking. Hopefully one day, she will let it slip, or will start to remember what happened. The story has huge holes in it.
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Old June 9th, 2006, 03:03 PM
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Sorry, I know nothing about this. What is the Smith's story...condensed version please
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Old June 9th, 2006, 03:30 PM
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David - the Smiths were on their honeymoon (last year i think). Hubby dissappeard somewhere between Greece & Turkey. The theory is of foul play - (drug deal gone bad), there were reports of loud voices, blood on the balcony -fighting, crashing. Mrs. Smith claims that she has no memory of the incident and she was found passed-out on the ship, but claims she wasn't drunk.
Lots of loop-holes in her story- haven't heard anything from her since her apperance on Oprah last season. Looks like she got her 15minutes of fame, sorry to say. Its too bad that her husband died, but she came off looking like a 'golddigger'
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Old June 9th, 2006, 03:59 PM
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I agree the story has lots of holes in it. It's just I have had my (choice words)with carnival and another cruiseline thats now out of business. You brought up some interesting theories about what happened. They should've paid for her flight home, instead of just giving her magazines and cd player to listen too. The president finally said they should have done that and more. They were just trying to cover their own TOOSh. By it happening ontheir ship I find them responsible and they should do what ever theycan to find out what happened and comfort this woman and family. RCCL accepts no responsibility. Shouldn't their be security cameras ans officers thru-out. Like u said becauseof this misfortune RCCL must make some changes on how they handle situation like this. Thats it I'm tired of talking or typing.
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Old June 9th, 2006, 11:54 PM
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Yep--- need security cameras everywhere on a ship to protect the poor hapless passengers---example-- in the bathrooms, because you can just never tell when someone might be attacked by a crazed crewmember whilst sitting on the throne. Need cameras in the bedrooms for sure, as someone , during the throes of ecstacy, just might get a leg or arm caught between the bed and wall, thereby breaking same and the cruiseline would for sure need a crew of E.M.T.'s at the ready to rush them off to the infirmary. Definitely need cameras trained on everyone in the dining room as someone too drunk to chew his fish might get choked and if the waiter didn't see him / her, then the security cameras would for sure--- enter the EMT"s again. Need cameras on each and every slot machine / craps table, etc. in the casino in case someone wins big and faints from the shock---- run in the EMT's again. Need cameras in the public bathrooms in case someone tinkles on his / her hand and blames the cruiseline. Yep, I sure agree. There is a need for every concievable
move on a cruiseship to be covered by a camera with hundreds of highly trained storm troopers standing by subdue, arrest, aid, assist or whatever the situation should call for. I'm all for it. These cruise lines need to be taught a lesson in securing the cruise for the passengers.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 07:29 AM
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Having them in the hallways may not be a bad idea and/or on elevators.

What is to stop someone from grabbing you in one of those long hallways and pulling you into their room.

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The NCL Dawn has cameras in the hallways. I think all of these situations of death and falling over board is a tragedy. Do I think the cruise lines cover up things that go on? Yes like all companies do. Club Med had problems for years were staff would open the doors at night and rape single women. Recently in the NY Post there was a cover story of a couple raped and held at gun point in a upsacle resort in the Turks and Caicos. They were flown home so the island could cover their behind and keep their name clean in the name of tourism and money.

For some reason in the Smith case I dont think the cruise line covered up a whole lot. I could be wrong. To me, for most of these incidents the people are drunk. I think the Smith family should realize that their son was drunk and he was an adult and should have excersised caution. I am an adult and I do. I dont get so drunk I dont know where the heck I am. But again maybe things are not as they appear. he could have been drugged by someone. Who knows?

But you have to realize, and I am sure most of us do these ships are internationally operated. That ship with the Smith case I beleive was registered in Bahamas and is under their laws. So in essance RCL did not have to get the FBI involved. Is this a good thing? No. Its a shame cruise lines dont register ships in the US so we as travellers have more right. But they are companies and as almost all companies they look for loop holes and some of us suffer in the end.
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The fact that the FBI was bought into the investigation at the beginning speaks volumes that RCCL did the right thing. I do not think that they were attempting to cover up anything. The ships captain and crew followed directions of Turkish authorities... who were in charge of the investigation. Could RCCL have done more for the wife... hindsight is always 20/20. But I think the entire cruise industry should take notice ... and RCCL has taken the right step with their hiring of former second in command at the FBI to address security issues.
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The last that we heard on the news, was that the wife came to a settlement agreement with RCCI. Her husband's family was not in the deal...so now they are up in arms! Looks like everyone wants a piece of the action. (this was just in the last few weeks)

Actually, there are a LOT of unanswered questions about this incident. But, all in all I think the RCCI did a good job. There are lots of events and facts that the public is not privy to. Maybe we should be glad!
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The wife was the admistratrix of poor George's estate. As such, she represented all members of the Smith family (including the whiny sister, who happens to be a lawyer and damn well knows this fact).
Distribution of any proceeds of this "wrongful death" settlement will be made by a probate court in Connecticut.
After the wife settled, sister and parents filed their own lawsuit against RCI in Florida to beat the one year Statute of Limitations. Their suit is for alleged mental anguish because they claim RCI delayed the investigation. If that isn't a stretch, I don't know what is....I am just a poor dumb litigation manager, but it seems that all claims are derivative of poor George's claim... I see a dismissal on the horizon for whiny sister.

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well maybe that is why they have cameras on ship now. they said the 21 year old on Mariner of the Seas. the cameras showed him fallin goff the ship. appartently he was pretty drunk and leaning over too much.
I wonder if his family will try and get money out of them.

I don't think that wife deserved any money. she was sen in a bar with another man and when her husband approached them-she punched her husband in the stomach in FULL VIEW of many witnesses. I would not be surprised if her and her new friend went back to their cabin and hubby caught them in the act-then the new friend threw him over the balcony. that wife did not deserve one penney as she probally caused his death-if not directly, indirectly. she should at least be up for involuntary manslaughter.
The husband's family should be suing HER for wrongful death. Since that does not have to be proved as in AKA OJ Simpson-I do beleive they would have a case.
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well maybe that is why they have cameras on ship now. they said the 21 year old on Mariner of the Seas. the cameras showed him fallin goff the ship. appartently he was pretty drunk and leaning over too much.
I wonder if his family will try and get money out of them.

I don't think that wife deserved any money. she was sen in a bar with another man and when her husband approached them-she punched her husband in the stomach in FULL VIEW of many witnesses. I would not be surprised if her and her new friend went back to their cabin and hubby caught them in the act-then the new friend threw him over the balcony. that wife did not deserve one penney as she probally caused his death-if not directly, indirectly. she should at least be up for involuntary manslaughter.
The husband's family should be suing HER for wrongful death. Since that does not have to be proved as in AKA OJ Simpson-I do beleive they would have a case.
I see where you are coming from. I too think she had something to do with his death. They should not give up on the investigation.
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I believe the only real victim in this incident was the husband George.

The wife...well...her actions just before and since the incident speak volumes (I just can't bring myself to say, 'accident')

We may never know all the facts involved...but you can be sure that RCCI and the Police know more than they are letting on to the public.

BUT, I do not believe for a minute that RCCI dropped the ball...or in anyway mistreated, misguided, mislead the Smith family. This incident was too HIGH PROFILE for RCCI not to know that every move, action and word would be open to public scrutiny.

Either way the Smith's knew they would have a cause of action and so did the lawyers they hired...

When bad stuff happens ...do we always have to look for someone to blame or sue?! Geezeeeeeeee!

Isn't time to grow up an assume responsibilty for our own actions.

Sometimes, being human we make poor choices...WE MAKE poor choices...then when it comes to paying the consequences, some decide it's not fair that they suffer for the choices or decisions THEY MADE.

These same adults, who want complete freedom to do as they please with no boundries or rules set to hinder their fun...when something does happen, blame anyone and everyone they can for NOT holding their hand or standing guard to stop them from over drinking, or getting in sticky situations.

They act like petulence children, only they're adults who when payback comes around, decide they don't want to play anymore.
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