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Old January 2nd, 2007, 04:09 AM
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Default Tired of the photographers!!!!!!

I took a Carnival cruise last year that included just 5 hours at San Juan. The disembarkment process at San Juan was horrible. The problem was the Carnival photographers taking photographs of every couple as they made them pose for a moment before walking off the ship.

This is total crass commercialism. After waiting 45 minutes people including myself refused to stop and pose in spite of their continued futile attempts to photograph people. We had less time to visit old San Juan because of this. For those people who love to pose for every Carnival camera let them wait in a seperate line.

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Seems Mr. Scrooge is still around.
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Now hold on Michael, this guy has a legit gripe. I see his point and I agree!

If you want your pic taken have a separate line for it.
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I avoided the photographers as much as possible. But holding up the line to get off the ship was a bit much. I just walked around the line forming and said no thank you.
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How about a seperate line for those who don't want a photo?
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Hey Mehawk
Maybe everyone isn't such a pretty boy policeman as you are!!!! I guess you buy every beautiful photo of yourself!!!
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Aaawww heck--- I'm so used to people always taking photos of me and asking for my autograph that I don't pay any attention to it at all !
Just part of the price us rich and famous have to pay !!
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 01:58 AM
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No I don't buy every photo of myself. Actually, I think I take terrible pictures. In fact, the picture on my avatar is at my own home before my daughter's wedding. If I don't want my picture taken, I put my hand up to say "No!" and shove on past the photographers. I have some older photos on trips where if you could see my eyes through my sunglasses, you would be dead . <the old saying if looks could kill>

The only time I have really gotten held up in a photo line is at the embarkation point and as I said, I push on through the other lines.

My 2 "sense" worth...
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So not pretty but pushy and shovy!!!! Nice!!!!

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Seems Mr. Scrooge is still around.
Funny, this is the "Gripe" forum, is it not? I totally agree that the photos at the gangplank are totally disruptive to the process of letting people off the ship. I think its fine to take the pictures, but have another queue on the pier for those who want the be photographed.

For the most part, its a money making scheme for the cruiselines.

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Seems Mr. Scrooge is still around.
Funny, this is the "Gripe" forum, is it not? I totally agree that the photos at the gangplank are totally disruptive to the process of letting people off the ship. I think its fine to take the pictures, but have another queue on the pier for those who want the be photographed.

For the most part, its a money making scheme for the cruiselines.

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Exactly Tim. They could easily have a seperate line for those who want to miss out on attractions they may never see again, but Carnival knows the bottom line, and they have decided it's worth holding people up at the gangplank.

Just imagine who would be in that special photo line? Not very many people. Maybe Paris Hilton, but then I dont think she does Carnival.
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Dang, David B. Good takes a hike, I have been away for awhile, and now it seems the new kids on the block have decided to beat up on my favorite cop.
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Really I was just kidding about being rich and famous and being used to photos, etc ( just wanted to set the record straight )--If I don't want to get a photo taken I simply find a way around if possible. I don't get irritated because someone is " holding up " the line getting a photo made. Maybe they haven't been to Cozumel, St. Thomas or wherever and want the photo as a souvenir of where they have been. Nothing wrong with that.
There are usually lines everywhere we go--the post office, grocery store, movies, etc., not just on cruise ships.
In a couple dozen cruises, I can't ever recall being held up to the point that it made any difference in what I was going to do. Sometimes we just need to practice the art of being a little patient.
As far as the ship making money from photos, drinks, etc. would you rather them make money or be on the verge of bankruptcy at any given time? We always see where people are searching high and low for that rock bottom price for their cruise. If the cruiselines didn't make money from photos, drinks, shore tours, etc. we would all pay a hefty price for our cruise.
I hope they continue to sell photos, drinks, tours, etc. in huge numbers so I can continue to sail at bargain prices.

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Ron, you are right on track!
The more they make off of those sideline items, the better the cruise price for all of us.
I walk around the line as well. I pose at dinner with whatever costumed person they send to the table too. I just don't buy any of them.

I had dropped out for the most part lately. I have way too many irons in the fire at this time. Hopefully, I will not only get back to checking in on the boards, but also checking on to the ships.
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Oh I would totally agree that the cruiselines need to make money. We all need to make money. It just seems like the making money aspect has become much more apparent in cruising these days and I think that has taken something away from the overall cruise experience. Damn, I'm beginning to sound like my dad.

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Ron, you are right on track!
The more they make off of those sideline items, the better the cruise price for all of us.
I walk around the line as well. I pose at dinner with whatever costumed person they send to the table too. I just don't buy any of them.
I'm curious as to why you would pose for the photos, but never buy them. If your hoping the cruiselines make money on sideline items, you should not pose for the photo, if you have no intentions of buying it. There is an expense associated with printing a photo that you dont buy. The line would make more money if you just dont bother to pose for it.

I guess my big complaint with the photos is that it would be very easy for them to still offer the photos, without disrupting the flow of people getting off the ship. By all means, offer the photos. I'm sure the photos mean a great deal to a lot of people as keepsakes and memories.

What if they made everyone pass through one of the bars on the way to dinner to either buy a drink or tell an insisitent bartender no. Would that be acceptable? Its kind of the same thing.

I guess I've been cruising long enough to know how it "used to be". But, I would agree, it also "used to be" quite a bit more expensive to go on a cruise than it is today. Even though I still love cruising, I liked it better the way it "used to be".

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I've found that photographers don't bother me near as much as they did in the "olden days." Maybe because I'm getting older?

If you tell the photographer you have absolutely NO intention of buying the photo, he/she will still insist on taking your picture.
The cost of printing them is no big deal, given the profit they make on the ones they do sell.

I don't think it's disingenuous for a person to smile for the camera, even though he/she does not intend to buy the photo.

When there is a costumed character at the end of the gangplank, I politely say "No Thanks" and keep walking.
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We do the same...we just smile and say 'no thank-you'.

IF they're holding up the line to take photo's...we just smile and walk around them...no problem.

When we were newbies, I have to admit...we DID buy most of the photos' and we're not sorry....it was our first cruise after all...we wanted to experience everything...even the 'rip offs'...

Now, we've been several vacations where we've got pictures of either myself OR my husband...but no one around to snap a photo of both of us together, so we don't view the photo ops as being ALL bad...

Just because we've, 'been there' 'done that'... doesn't mean that other newbies shouldn't enjoy the thrill of all those first cruise pictures.

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Thanks Jeff, glad to see you back.
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I don't typically buy the "gangplank" photos, but sometimes I will pose. One of my favorite photos is us coming off ship, me in my big straw hat and my DH in his white Tilley. We look just like tourists! The lines aren't a problem for me. If I don't want to pose, I don't, but I don't begrudge those who do.
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On the other hand, my sister & I took my mother on a cruise (the only one of all of us together, my mother has since passed away) and they took us thru a different route since she was in a wheelchair. WELL I didn't realize we missed the embarcation photo (with the name of the ship listed w/the date) until later, and that was one I would really liked to have! But oh well, I DO agree that they should have a "photo" and "no photo" line, but do you REALLY think they would encourage people to pass up their making extra money?? The day they do that, they'll be handing out free drinks!!
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i just simply say a polite 'no' and walk around the photo station; this has worked on HAL, but i can't speak for other lines. why do so many folks think there is something obligatory about solicitations?
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Our most recent cruise was on Silversea. It took me a few days to realize that indeed, there were no ship's photographers. This line abolished them a few years ago, as it found that its guests didn't like having them. In a way, I rather missed them, as I generally buy a photo or two from them on each cruise. But the part that I DID NOT miss was having photographers hold up lines getting on or off the ship. On the big ships, this can be a real problem. And it isn't that easy to walk around them when you are back in the line. It makes you feel that you are cuttting ahead of others. And sometimes, it isn't physically possible to "go around" if the line is on the gang plank!

I think Regent has got this one right. They do have ship's photographers, but instruct them to position themselves in all instances so guests not wanting photos can easily go around them. Only guests who want (or think they may want) a photo at that location line up for the photographer. Good system, as it gives all a choice, and produces more revenue for the line as well, as there are not as many wasted photos.

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Actually - I agree with both sides of this argument. On one hand - people want to get off the ship and see the sights with the limited time they have. On the other hand - people enjoy having their pictures taken, and the photo shops are one of the more busy areas of the ships public areas.

My wife and I never begrudge the photographers when they take pictures of us getting off the ship or at a meal. We just smile and cooperate even though it is annoying. Why?

Because...

I have not heard that the photographers have been placed on the board of directors and are making policy for the cruise line. Remember - these photographers are just doing their job as they are told to do, and they probably want to annoy passengers even less than passengers want to be annoyed. Someone much higher in the organization has made that business decision that the money to be made from taking all these pictures outweighs annoyed customers.

Thus if you find the photographic process annoying - remember that the employees are not doing it to annoy you - have been instructed by others, and all complaints should go to the cruise line management.
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Actually - I agree with both sides of this argument. On one hand - people want to get off the ship and see the sights with the limited time they have. On the other hand - people enjoy having their pictures taken, and the photo shops are one of the more busy areas of the ships public areas.

My wife and I never begrudge the photographers when they take pictures of us getting off the ship or at a meal. We just smile and cooperate even though it is annoying. Why?

Because...

I have not heard that the photographers have been placed on the board of directors and are making policy for the cruise line. Remember - these photographers are just doing their job as they are told to do, and they probably want to annoy passengers even less than passengers want to be annoyed. Someone much higher in the organization has made that business decision that the money to be made from taking all these pictures outweighs annoyed customers. If the photographers don't take the pictures - they would probably get fired.

Thus if you find the photographic process annoying - remember that the employees are not doing it just to annoy you - have been instructed by management to do so, and all complaints should be directed to the cruise line management, and not the poor picture takers
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Wow, deja vue! Just like having our pictures taken over and over again..

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Jean,

Was that deja vu -- or deja vue (as in view the photos)?!

But I agree, 2 lines off the ship makes sense (though perhaps not as many cents for the cruiselines......)

But as always, the cost/benefit ratio governs all busineses. Does it make sense to tick off many passengers -- who most likely won't purchase the photograph anyway -- in an attempt to earn a little extra income?

Or does it make more sense to offer photo and non-photo avenues off the ship? Not ticking off your customers is a sure way to make continuing customers out of them. And the very next cruise they book more than pays for any missed photo opportunities. The cost/benefit ratio dictates that it's better to give up a few dollars now to gain many thousands more later.

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What annoys us even more is when the photographers refuse to do a shot that is even slightly different from the standard poses. Especially in the dining room. One year, we had gone with friends and ended up with pic's as is we had done some wife swapping....very funny, but we didn't buy them.
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When were on our last Celebrity cruise, we had missed the embarcation photo (with the name of the ship & the date) which we really wanted. The photo staff was kind enough to set up the same frame for us at our convenience and took as many photos as we wanted! They were very nice, and usually only buy that photo, which is a nice remembrance with the date. Seems when you're boarding in a wheelchair, they take you a different way, which is why we missed it, but they were VERY accomodating!
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Have never encountered a "pushy" photographer on Celebrity. Carnival has always been really bad for that.
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Here is a thought. we have friends who have family photos all over the house. The pics are not professional they take them themselves but I actually had to say that they look like they travel around WITH a pro photgrapher! All the pics look posed yet natural and capture the ambiance of the vacation they took. I asked how do you get such great photos? She said the key is to take 300 pictures and hope 2 or 3 turn out great and those are the ones you show. Having said that, the pics taken by the ship are free to take and look at. No one says you have to buy it. Why not pose for the few extra minutes it takes cause you never know when you might just get that one great one that they take. I know my wife and I posed for a pic before going to the dining room and the pic turned out better than any of our wedding photos so we bought it.
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