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Old February 27th, 2007, 08:34 PM
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I always smoke on the balcony. I enjoy having one before retiring for the night. Just ask the room steward for an ashtray. I have never had any complaints from the people next to me. I think the movement of the ship dispels the smoke away from the rooms. About the only places I do smoke is on my balcony and in the casino. Have fun!
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Well here is my two cents worth. And this is based AGAIN on the fact that the lines do not "split their cabins" regarding smoking / non smoking. As to them, ,, it's just a bed for some and for a few days and now lets make money. That’s the picture that has to change

To me as a caring smoker that’s wrong. An inside cabin, will I sit in it and smoke, there is a very good chance NO, but maybe I will sit and smoke in the toilet (makes me feel better as a person) for being a smoker, and hopefully the ventilation / extraction is better than the bedroom.

What am I thinking? This ship has not said I cannot smoke in this cabin and they don’t seem to take onboard or care that my smoke could infiltrate other people’s cabins. It all seems to be placed on me, my conscience regarding acceptability and the actions I take.

So unless you are breaking a room or area rule for smoking, go ahead and do it. It’s as much your cruise as the person arriving ten days later who does not smoke and having to live with the smell of your smoke. Again not your problem although it concerns some of us smokers, the question of "who's in next" to this room. IT’S THE LINES call and if they don’t say NON SMOKING, who am I to argue with them, but its wrong
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Excessive perfume may annoy someone, it may even give them a headache, but I don't think it will kill anyone.
Actually, it can. My mother was allergic to almost every kind of perfume, and it could send her into an asthma attack (which can very quickly take your life without prompt attention) just being in the same room with a person who had bathed in their perfume.

I find people who over apply perfume offensive, myself. I feel like I'm going to choke to death if I'm near them, and as soon as I can, I leave. Thankfully, I don't have the asthma and allergy attacks that my mother had - yet...probably will come sometime in the future, though, as I'm very much like her. A word to the wise...please, please, please don't take a bath in your perfume!
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Now...after the perfume comment, as I am also a smoker, I will chime in on the discussion.

I agree with the comments some of you made about the cruise line being responsible...however, I must specify that they are responsible to clean the rooms in a manner that makes the room liveable for the next occupant. This includes using deodorizer and such (Febreeze is such a wonderful thing) to clear the room. I expect nothing less from a hotel, and a ship is a floating hotel for me.

I have paid for the cruise. I have specifically stated to the cruise line that I wish to smoke in my cabin, and the response has been that smoking is allowed in the cabins. Will I smoke? Absolutely. Will I expect that the ventilation is good? No way. Will I crack the doors to the balcony? As long as I'm not going to freeze my keister off (since we're going to Alaska in July), I will. I have done this on several occasions on previous cruises.

Regarding the use of designated smoking areas on the ship: If I were ever harrassed directly by someone (and by this I mean specifically a rude person) while I was sitting in a designated smoking area, then I would do one of two things:
1) tell the person very politely that I am in an area designated for smokers and if they don't like it they should leave and go to the rest of the ship that's designated for non-smokers, or, if the person was absolutely horribly rude:
2) notify a crew member that I was having a problem and let them deal with it.

If I were sitting at the edge of a designated smoking area and the smoke was blowing into a non-smoking area, and someone asked me to move or put out my cigarette, I would absolutely have no issue with that.

However, like most of the smokers that have posted here, I must agree that watching the antics of someone that is sitting in a designated smoking area, complaining about secondhand smoke and waving their hands around and coughing, is extremely entertaining.

Just my 2 cents, for whatever it's worth nowadays....

Lisa (DH Chuck is also a smoker, btw)
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Right on the mark, Lisa

The whole spectacle can be quite entertaining. On the other hand, when I think of all the money the government has wasted providing gas masks to our military when all they had to do was train them on the propper anti inhalation hand flapping technique, well it just makes my blood boil!
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Eh......well as ex military, Can I thank you for your support for our troops doing what they have to do right now in this BIG world,,,not

Yes, I did notice the little smiley at the end of your post, what was it supposed to be a joke or cover your post?

Yeah certain things make my blood boil as well and you just hit it, jeez what a ToSR. This was about smoking on ships and you went all political on us and as you quote "Wasting YOUR tax dollars".

Where did that crap come from on a cruise board and in the environment that our troops serve and DIE in today.

Oh forgot this bit, so it's not seen as personal attack on you . That should cover the scentiment, which is

What an A,,,,
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 05:21 PM
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David,

FYI I'm a 5 year vet with a son in Iraq, and I guarantee I've spent more time in a M9 than you have. It's called sarcasm. look it up.
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I thought it might be, problem is a whole lot of folks dont get sarcasm, they just see what they want to see or the message that they think someone is presenting, that's all.

Respect, and actually I was a full time 12 year regular experiencing the Falklands and 1st Gulf. But hey we are on the same basic principle, I just missed the humor. 8)

And safe tour to your son, respect again
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Old March 4th, 2007, 06:02 PM
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Thanks Dave. That means a lot. He's on his second tour with 10 months left to go. Sorry about the mis-understanding. Maybe I'm a little dryer than I think I am.
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You do dry and I'll save the world in my head, with both of us standing up for the guys "doing it"...what a team

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This might be a little out of date, we’ve been gone for a while...but was I the only one that received a special survey from RCCI about this VERY ISSUE...smoking in cabins.

The questions in the survey ranged from:

Would you cruise more if you could book a non-smoking cabin?

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Should smoking be allowed on the verandas?
Should there be a fee charged for smokers who smoke in non-smoking cabins?

To complete the questions took about 10 minutes.

I think the cruise lines finally might be getting the message from us non-smokers...not because they really care, but because it is hitting them in the 'pocket'....having to clean and RE-CLEAN cabins, non-smokers compaints about the persistent smell of smoke in the drapes, pillows and bedding...
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This might be a little out of date, we’ve been gone for a while...but was I the only one that received a special survey from RCCI about this VERY ISSUE...smoking in cabins.

The questions in the survey ranged from:

Would you cruise more if you could book a non-smoking cabin?

To:

Should smoking be allowed on the verandas?
Should there be a fee charged for smokers who smoke in non-smoking cabins?

To complete the questions took about 10 minutes.

I think the cruise lines finally might be getting the message from us non-smokers...not because they really care, but because it is hitting them in the 'pocket'....having to clean and RE-CLEAN cabins, non-smokers compaints about the persistent smell of smoke in the drapes, pillows and bedding...
And to this, I say again....Febreeze is such a WONDERFUL thing...I'm sure that the cruise lines could get a wonderful deal from the manufacturer just by promoting that they use the product on the ship.

A cruise line that does any of the above, will not get my business. And I do stand behind this...Marriott branded hotels went smoke free last fall, and I refuse to stay in any of them anymore, even though I have a decent sized balance of their Rewards points. I will not patronize a restaurant that is non smoking unless I have to (i.e., business meeting), either. (Now of course this excludes cruises, I'm talking about on land *grin*)

Too often, businesses and governments have a knee-jerk reaction to what they perceive as a public health problem (anyone remember WHY we couldn't have red M&M's and maraschino cherries in the 70's and 80's??). Hey, it's my freaking health, leave me alone if I'm not intruding on others' rights. And yes, I'll take care of my own insurance, thank you very much.

Off the soap box now...and off to bed.

Lisa
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I'm with Lisa. I'll take my business elsewhere if the cruiselines bow to the vocal majority (? not if you believe the poll) on the smoking issue. I have no problem refraining from smoking in ship's eating areas, theaters, etc., but I draw the line at being told what perfectly legal things I can do in a room that I paid for.

I travel for work and pleasure frequently and also used to stay at Marriott hotels regularly. As soon as they came out with that ridiculous policy I contacted them and informed them that since they didn't want my money I'd be more than happy to do business with the Hiltons. Hey, Paris probably needs some new shoes. Apparently some drawers anyway.
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Ahh haa ha ha! Too funny.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 03:56 PM
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I'm with Lisa. I'll take my business elsewhere if the cruiselines bow to the vocal majority (? not if you believe the poll) on the smoking issue. I have no problem refraining from smoking in ship's eating areas, theaters, etc., but I draw the line at being told what perfectly legal things I can do in a room that I paid for.

I travel for work and pleasure frequently and also used to stay at Marriott hotels regularly. As soon as they came out with that ridiculous policy I contacted them and informed them that since they didn't want my money I'd be more than happy to do business with the Hiltons. Hey, Paris probably needs some new shoes. Apparently some drawers anyway.


Smoke stains room’s walls and windows an ugly brown, permeates the drapes and bedding. It cost additional money to clean a smoker’s room or cabin because it takes MORE time and effort. Smoke leaves a stink.

On our last cruise to Alaska on Celebrity's Infinity...two smokers previously used our cabin and even though it was clean, it smelled of heavy cigarette smoke.

Our cabin attendant stripped and changed ALL the bedding including the bedspread. He changed the drapes and washed the walls and windows, even cleaned the rug...nothing even touched the smell of smoke...it was everywhere.

The cabin next to ours was the Penthouse...and they requested the attendants’ tape around our connecting door because, to quote them, “The stink of cigarette smoke was leaking into their suite?. (I have pictures!)

We weren't the only ones to have problems with the smell of smoke in cabins on this Celebrity cruise...we met other passengers who also requested to be moved to other cabins because of the smell of cigarette smoke...

Years ago, before I got 'burned out'...I used to work in a hospital E.R. as a Respiratory Therapist...I've treated many patients with COPD, Asthma etc.

We'd have a few regular patients with COPD who would frequently come into the Emergency Room...literally BLUE!!! panting to catch each breath...we'd spend hours working on them...giving them IPPB treatments, injections, 02 etc. to get them to feel better...Then finally they'd 'pink up'...(look pink because of the increase of 02 in their lungs, etc.)

After they'd felt better...these same patients would go outside to wait for their rides/friends and we'd see them smoking!!!

So I for one, with my experience as a former R.T. don't expect smokers to appreciate how dangerous or inconvenient their habit is to others, when most ignore how dangerous the habit is to their own health. Seriously, why should they care about ours???

But...I do believe that businesses will continue to respond positively to non-smokers because of the 'hit' to their pocketbooks. As stated before...it is double the work to clean a smoker’s cabin or hotel/motel room...

The change will come because it affects the 'bottom line'.
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Ok...it hits the bottom line both ways, Fieldmouse.

Double cleaning - huh. Is it cheaper to double clean a cabin than it is to LOSE two fares? I think not.

You can tell me all you want that someone else that doesn't smoke will immediately be in line for my cabin, but eventually, cruise lines will feel the pinch, I promise. Look at where the "non-smoking" cruises are now...they DON'T EXIST, because the cruise lines don't make as much money off of non-smokers!

I say that I have paid for that room and by all that's holy I will smoke there!

Just my 2 cents...again....*grin*
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Lisa, I'm a smoker and I cannot even begin to think of how many ways that I may disagree with your stance, or your social position on this. It's such an old fashioned, self centered points of view.

I cannot begin to react, but as long as you are happy smoking away in the restaurant, the bar, hotel room, ship cabin. You go for it on the basis that they can "clean it up".. okay maybe in your own head.

In your country, and it may take I guess another 10 years, attitude and law will all change on this subject, and hopefully so will your expectation regarding the freedom or availability to smoke.

Forget perfumes like Febreeze, they only disguise the smell, but not the toxic chemicals left for others to breath. YOU cant see them, but you can inhale them with the odour of Febreeze still in your nostrils

How anyone can make a statement like "perceive as a public health problem". In this day and age regarding first and secondary smoking, is...lets say diluded as the most polite word I can find. I suppose you are also one of those that cant see any harm in working with or breathing in asbestos dust.
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I am allergic to cigarette smoke and I would get a whif of it as I walked the corridor along our cabin. Yech and achoo!
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My two cents -- from an x-smoker. I smoked for 33 years, am glad to say I am an x--- I was a very curtious smoker. Since I have given it up - 3 months now. I can not stand to be around it. BUT - I will never give any one a hard time about smoking. It is their decision.
How about all the pigs on the cruise ship. You know who I am referring to.
The people that you know are on the cruise to do nothing but eat.
Yeah just like pigs going to the trough. When the buffet line opens. Sure
it does not harm our health. But how disgusting is that. Or people with bad hygeine.
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I am a non-smoker (hate it!) who travels with a smoker. Smokers have paid for their trip just like the rest of us & they have a right to enjoy their vacations as well BUT - Kimbo is right. We were on the Constellation sitting in the non-smoking lounge area which was flanked by the smoking area as well as the fully smoking bar. It was really unbearable and there were nights I had to leave before I wanted to reeking & with a sore throat. Cruiselines need to use common sense when dividing up areas so most people can be comfortable.
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Generally speaking, if the ship is moving, any smoke on the balcony will be blown away. I smoke on our balcony, it is allowed. Just ask the steward for an ashtray. You are correct in that smoking in the room will allow the smell to invade into the hallway. I do not smoke in the room, just on the balcony and have never had a complaint from any of my "neighbors". Enjoy your cruise.
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