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Old February 2nd, 2007, 04:21 PM
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Recently cruised where they had the smoking area at the bottom of the main area of the atrium. Also, a story up was the casino that dumped smoke into the atrium. Guess what else was off the main atrium...one of the main dinning areas! What's the sense in making the dinning area "Nonsmoking".... You might as well said that anywhere you sat in there, it was a smoking section. YUCK!
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It may be YUCK for you, but as a smoker, these are the now LIMITED places that I as an idividual can now smoke on ship.

Not my problem or that of other cigar, pipe, cig smokers, as we did not design the ship or the policy they have regarding it.

I think you will find that most smokers are observant of the rules presented, so whats your gripe, people smoking in areas that the line says you can do so?

Sorry, you should have read better and went more for a cruise to suit you, ie one totally non smoking, AS you are hitting people that are only smoking within the rules presented by the line, and if the smells drifts, who's fault is that really.

Not the person smoking, but the line that allows it in the first place and accepts it, especially in the casino at night. Hey they just want me happy and about to drop xxx dollars,. do I smoke.....THEY dont care.

See, they do their best for non smokers, ie dining room, some bar areas etc etc. But that is it, smokers can also be big customers too
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Old February 2nd, 2007, 08:39 PM
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My gripe wasn't towards smokers, but infact, the design of this particular cruise ship, the NCL Sun. I'm all for everyone continuing on with thier daily activities of life, but why would a cruise line choose the main atrium? Do they not know that the smoke wont stay in the open area designated for smoking in the atrium?
I have a right to as a non smoker to enjoy my daily activities without my eyes tearing up and nose getting stuffy from the smoke thats filling the atrium and going into the "Nonsmoking" restraunt dinning area where I'm eating.

Yea your right David, foolish me for not doing my homework on exactly where the smoking areas are on the ship and if they have walls that prevent the smoke from filling the area outside that dotted line. Thanks dave for pointing that out, I'll add that to my list to do when searching next go round!
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Old February 2nd, 2007, 09:49 PM
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I have never smoked and never will, but I have never been bothered by smoke on a cruise ship, not have I ever seen it fill up non-smoking areas.

I just don't feel that I have a right to complain about others smoking, others apparel or how much others eat.

Live and let live and you will live longer.
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 05:50 AM
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I have never smoked and never will, but I have never been bothered by smoke on a cruise ship, not have I ever seen it fill up non-smoking areas.

I just don't feel that I have a right to complain about others smoking, others apparel or how much others eat.

Live and let live and you will live longer.
I totaly 100% agree with your reply paul. I've never been bothered by the smoke on other ships or seen it fill the atrium. I believe you and dave are missing my gripe.

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Kimbo, sorry if I have missed your point. It gets kinda "weird" on here sometimes.

So to clarify, are you griping about the smokers, the design of the ship, or ship policy regarding smokers and due to a bad design and their designated areas your talking polution into non smoking areas?

Rethink and read and I feel you are talking the later and yeah your right, placing the smoking area at the bottom of an atrium is MENTAL.

Note to me: read more and think before you let the fingers loose
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Old February 4th, 2007, 04:52 PM
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We've never really had a problem with smokers until our recent cruise on the Celebrity Infinity. Wow!! There was smoke everywhere...in the hallways...in the elevators...the smell was pervasive. It was the make-up of the passengers on this cruise. There were lots and lots of smokers, and unfortunately we were in Alaska and most the smokers stayed INSIDE the ship….smoking!!!!

Smoking is an addiction...and like most addicts it is almost impossible for the ‘Smoker’ to be reasonable regarding their addiction and understand the adverse affect their affliction has on others. They see only their immediate need. ...It doesn’t matter if you, the non-smoker is a child or an adult, has asthma; cancer; COPD or allergies. The Smoker’s right to their fix of nicotine over-rules YOUR right to clean breathable air…

Now if 'Smokers' sat down in public and actually stuck a needle in their arm and shot the nicotine directly into a vein, while others, including impressionable children watched.... maybe our attitudes wouldn’t be as ‘casual’.

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Old February 5th, 2007, 01:22 AM
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As I stated before, I am a non-smoker, but I support the rights of others to smoke if they so desire. In 23 cruises, I have never been bothered by the odor of smoke nor have I noticed it in non- smoking areas of the ship. I am sorry for your recent experience.

On the other hand, I have been bothered by the heavy odor of perfume in the elevators on the way to dinner and sometimes in the theater. Perhaps they need to have no perfume areas.

I believe that everyone realizes that smoking is a bad and unhealthy habit but so is eating too much and being overweight or being a couch potato.
We all have our own problems and have to live or not with them.

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Fieldmouse, actually I WOULD prefer, if they injected their drug of choice,
(Although mainlining in the dining room would a bit much) at least this way they are confining their vice to within their own system and not imposing upon the systems of those have no intention of killing themselves in this manner
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Fieldmouse, actually I WOULD prefer, if they injected their drug of choice,
(Although mainlining in the dining room would a bit much) at least this way they are confining their vice to within their own system and not imposing upon the systems of those have no intention of killing themselves in this manner
You've got a point I hadn't thought of.
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Are you guys on some medication, or am losing it again.

Sorry Fieldmouse for quoting you in this debate ....but regarding,,,, "It was the make-up of the passengers on this cruise"

What kind of statement is that?, actually I could have quoted some of the rest as well

Sorry bud, but if it gets you so uptight, then why not go for one of the totally non smoking lines or ships, just a question.
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Are you guys on some medication, or am losing it again.

Sorry Fieldmouse for quoting you in this debate ....but regarding,,,, "It was the make-up of the passengers on this cruise"

What kind of statement is that?, actually I could have quoted some of the rest as well

Sorry bud, but if it gets you so uptight, then why not go for one of the totally non smoking lines or ships, just a question.
Hey DBG....Glad your back on line!!

Anyway I just meant:
On most cruises we've been on we've never had a problem with smoke because the percentage of smokers to non-smokers was in our favor. But as the luck of the draw would have it, this last cruise to Alaska was made up of mostly 'Smokers'.
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A couple of people have suggested that kimbo should have gone on a non-smoking ship. I didn't think such a ship existed anymore, since the one non-smoking ship Carnival had apparently didn't make enough $$ (they realized non-smokers also tend to not spend as much $$ on alcohol or gambling).

kimbo, i understand the point you were making, and i can understand your frustration. Having to smell smoke while you're eating is very unappetizing to a non-smoker. And most of all, being exposed to second hand smoke is a health hazard that NO ONE should have to put up with. Excessive perfume may annoy someone, it may even give them a headache, but I don't think it will kill anyone.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:51 AM
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Fieldmouse....I Think the whole weather issue is a big factor pushing more smokers inside to smoke. It was a wee bit chilly and rainy on this last cruise. The ship had a full load of passengers and I never saw more then 20% of them outside.

BUT that doesn't make up for poor design of the ship!

Good point kathyann, I don't know of a perfume that kills yet either.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 12:45 PM
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Good point kathyann, I don't know of a perfume that kills yet either.

That's what they said about tobacco 50 years ago.
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Default Good one Pesto Man! :D

I agree completely. I can't stand the smell and it tends to flare up even my mild asthma. We were on Mercury on Super Bowl Sunday and watched the first half in the large Pavilion Lounge. There weren't a lot of seats left when we got there because we got back from our excursion in Acapulco shortly before kick-off. The smoke from the port side and the bar drifted everywhere and by halftime we were almost suffocated and retreated to our cabin, in self defense, to watch the rest of the game.
I tried to train myself to walk on the starboard side of the ship, but if I realized I was passing through on the "wrong" side, I just had to hold my breath to get away from the stench. I smelled it more in our cabin corridor than I usually do, too. YUCK!!
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I completely understand kimbo point. I have no objection to people doing what ever they want to do. Even after losing my father to small-cell lung cancer due to smoking, I will still defend the right for someone to smoke. Everyone has to make their own choices. But it should be up to the cruise to line to make fully ventilated smoking areas and/or use only outside areas for public smoking.

I was recently horrified to find out that on our cruise people will be allowed to smoke in their rooms! Area such as this that do not have proper ventilation to channel the smoke outside. I have bronchial problems and smoke only inflames the problems, sometimes to the point where I can't breath.

So while I see if from both sides, I don't believe its that much to have the cruise lines ask a smoker to please take it away from groups. My father was very respectful of this, smoking only outside of our home and car.

I hope that any smoker who reads this now has a better grasp on a non-smoker point of view. Its not that we care you smoke, just not around us. For some it is simply detrimental to our health, even though you would never know it by looking at us. Carla
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In lots of ways I agree, but if the lines and ships had a strict policy of cabins that were smoking and non-smoking, and placed it in their brochures and through TA's when booking, then fine.

But they don’t and as a smoker I try not to smoke in the cabin as someone else soon is going to live there soon. But that is my conscience saying that not the lines, so it has to start with them and their rules and the passengers will have to follow. They are ones who have to lead, and not leave it to the individual principals of their passengers.

But yet again they want it all ways
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Hi, just thought I'd chime in on the subject since there was only one other smoker posting. I recently wrote in to ask where you are allowed to smoke on the cruise ship. I myself try to be very attentive to the non smoking people around me, I am deeply offended that because some smokers don't think of others that the assumtion is we all don't care. I don't smoke in resturants, even if smoking is allowed. I will either put out my cigarette or give a wide berth to anyone walking near me outside, ecspecially if they have children with them. I can't tell you how many non-smokers have been down right rude to me, going so far as to harass me because my clothes smelled like smoke. I lost my Mother to COPD, and my father has it, and I had problems with my ears, and I have mild asthma. The smell of strong colognes or perfumes, make me physically ill. I get a horrible headache, and have a hard time breathing. So, no it won't kill me, and unless you are subjected to second had smoke for years it won't kill anyone either. I am totally for non- smokers to have the right not to be subjected to my smoke, but at the same time I should have the same right to have an area to smoke if I wish. Smokers pay the same amount of money as non-smokers do to go on a cruise, and we should be able to enjoy our vacations. As long as we are considerate in our actions, we shouldn't have to be harrassed. As for the comment that smoker should just shoot up, that is really insulting. That is as bad as someone saying that anyone who doesn't like smoke should shut up and mind there own buisness. There is no need to be rude. Plenty of smokers will have no problem moving away from you if you POLITELY ask them. Ecspecially if your children are near, or if you have a health issue. As long as your request is reasonable, there should be no problem with most. Not to say you will not encounter a rude person here or there, but anyone can be rude. So, there is my two cents.
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Not to say you will not encounter a rude person here or there, but anyone can be rude. So, there is my two cents.
Yes and it goes the same way for non-smokers to. You might find a few rude ones of us but we are not all that way
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Poohbear....... Can I please quote you

"I myself try to be very attentive to the non smoking people around me, I am deeply offended that because some smokers don't think of others that the assumtion is we all don't care. I don't smoke in resturants, even if smoking is allowed. I will either put out my cigarette or give a wide berth to anyone walking near me outside, ecspecially if they have children with them"

Great quote and I feel that represents the majority of people that smoke in todays society. Forget the perfume thing, thats just an old knee jerk reaction, you hit me, I'll hit you.

But as long as the ships allow it in certain areas, IT IS YOUR and MY RIGHT. So to some, dont complain to us, complain to the company for a policy change...We are only following their rules and beyond expected "behaviour" for some smokers

As for two cents......great lines and opinion
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Thank you. I have a question for you, have you had problems with being harassed for smoking on your cruises? I am all paranoid now, and I jsut want to be able to enjoy my vacation. I don't want to be reported to whoever, because my smoke is bothering someone. Does that happen?
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I smoke and have never been harrassed. But, I am sensitive to those who have a problem with it. I will move or put out my cig if there seems that there even might be a problem. The only thing that bugs me are the people who do not have the nerve to actually politely ask me to move, but who dramatically wave their hands around to "blow" it away. Sometimes, those folks are far enough away that the only thing that could possibly be annoying is the fact that there is a cigarette in the area.
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Hi Poohbear

"I have a question for you, have you had problems with being harassed for smoking on your cruises?"

No and why, because I follow the rules and smoke only where the ship says I can smoke, their rule not mine. If you follow the rules then no-one can "report" you.

If someone decides to sit in the smoking section or area and waves their hands around. I politely say, "sorry but you may not know that this is one of the limited smoking areas on ship, just in case you want to move" and then grin

But to be honest I live in a country that smoking is banned in any public place (apart from the street or at home) and even as as smoker, I really do feel that is the way ahead, as it is not fair on others.

The only place I see it being reasonable is on the very top deck of a ship
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The only thing that bugs me are the people who do not have the nerve to actually politely ask me to move, but who dramatically wave their hands around to "blow" it away. Marty
GUILTY!

I wouldn't dare go up to a strange person in a designated smoking area and ask them to put it out. But ...I was guilty on that last cruise of running through the smokey atrium waving my hand digging through the clogged air to give me a slight piece of clean air. If that's Rude then label me!
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Kimbo, I read your Original post and I agree that was a poor layout of the ship.
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Pooh,

I have been harrassed in a smoking bar on a cruise ship. I was shocked by the rudeness of the non-smoking-and dare I say, anti-smoking fellow passengers. It seemed as if they sought out one of the few places on the ship where smoking is allowed just so they could carry on out loud about their discomfort at being subjected to "second hand smoke". You would have thought the concentration was 999,999 ppm the way they carried on. Yes, the obligitory hand waving in front of the face (whatever that's supposed to accomplish) and choking noises. Sometimes it's quite amusing to see the performances.
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Kimbo,
As long as you were running as you waved, I would not label you anything!
Even though I smoke, I am bothered by concentrations of smoke, or perfume, or a lot of other smells. And, frankly, I object to allowing smoking in the Atrium. That seems dumb to me. I usually go to the stern of the ship where the wind from the ship's movement carries the smoke away from the ship.
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Most of the newer ships have the smoking areas well designed. There is always the "anything goes" smoking in the casino. I am a non smoker and even specifically cruised the Carnival Paradise when it was a no-smoking ship entirely (they ended that because they claimed that non smokers did not drink, party, gamble, etc. enough to make it cost efficient-yeah, whatever). The smoking areas are placed well enough that it has never bothered me on any cruise.
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Okay, first thanks for all the replies. Second, the reason I asked is that I originally asked for a baclony room with smoking in mind. I don't plan on being in my room all the time, but at like three in the morning, or when I wake up in the morning. I don't want to have to walk all over the ship in my jammies to have a smoke. I thought that it was a comprimise to other people to be able to open the balcony doors, so that my smoke didn't go out into the hallways, becasue lets face it if you smoke in your room, the smoke is going to seep out. What didn't dawn on me, was that the smoke would rise up, and could potentially go into someone elses room, or that the people around me would have smoke blowing in their face. So now I don't know what the heck to do. I still really don't want to have to walk around the ship half dressed. Any suggestions?
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