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Old May 25th, 2007, 07:49 PM
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Ok, folks, time to get picky here. Yes, MS proper trying to get people to do the right thing...like having Dr. Yourname is correct and Dr. Yourname, MD (or PhD) is not--ask any English professor and they'll tell you what is right..

OK, now to the gripe--It is a SHIP not a boat. I remember going to the lake and fishing, waterskiiing, and just goofing off on a BOAT--a small fiberglass/metal watercraft that usually holds a handful of people. A Ship, like a cruise ship, container ship, oiltanker, etc are SHIPS! Would you call a container ship a container boat? no, so don't call a cruise ship a BOAT when it is a ship.....A ferry is a ferry, it's clear purpose is to get people from A to B quickly and efficiently. The paddlewheeler that hit the reef in Alaska isn't a cruise ship either, it's a paddlwheel, not a ship, a ship is steam/gas powered, paddlewheel, well, gee, is waterpowered, er well they were now they use gas to support/supply power the paddlewheel

Ok, my gripe is over, if you read this, thanks....if you didn't, c'est la vie!
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Ok, folks, time to get picky here. Yes, MS proper trying to get people to do the right thing...like having Dr. Yourname is correct and Dr. Yourname, MD (or PhD) is not--ask any English professor and they'll tell you what is right..

OK, now to the gripe--It is a SHIP not a boat. I remember going to the lake and fishing, waterskiiing, and just goofing off on a BOAT--a small fiberglass/metal watercraft that usually holds a handful of people. A Ship, like a cruise ship, container ship, oiltanker, etc are SHIPS! Would you call a container ship a container boat? no, so don't call a cruise ship a BOAT when it is a ship.....A ferry is a ferry, it's clear purpose is to get people from A to B quickly and efficiently. The paddlewheeler that hit the reef in Alaska isn't a cruise ship either, it's a paddlwheel, not a ship, a ship is steam/gas powered, paddlewheel, well, gee, is waterpowered, er well they were now they use gas to support/supply power the paddlewheel

Ok, my gripe is over, if you read this, thanks....if you didn't, c'est la vie!
Sorry to disappoint you but a ship is indeed a boat, even though every boat is not a ship. Please refer to Webster's New World Dictionary, Second College Edition, definition of boat, no. 2 "a large vessel; ship.... "

Look at it this way a Boeing 747 Airliner is every bit as much an airplane as a small Piper Cub but a small airplane is not an airliner.

Again, sorry if it irritates you but when it is said let's get on the boat or the ship, either way is correct!

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Call it a boat or call it a ship, I dont care. I just call it my vacation

I thought it was a tonnage thing, ie size. But was amazed to find that even the largest of submarines is still called a boat Maybe thats because they are underwater boats or U Boats,,,naw no way we carry on that tradition 8)

So if the US Navy cant get it right, what chance do we have 8)
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ship than a boat while in the Atlantic, Pacific or any other large ocean. I think the term does matter and makes a huge difference.
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I think the term does matter and makes a huge difference.
Why?

It is just semantics and there isn't any "official" definition. Submarines are always boats, at least today. Big boats are ships. Dictionaries aren't any help, since they record how people speak, but can't drive language. Language is fluid: if people start calling cruise ships "boats", then boats they are.

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Therein lies the problem, in todays world if I ask if its a boat, im likely going to find out its a small water craft, if I say ship im going to probably find out its a large water craft, much larger than a personal watercraft.

Your technically right in the interchaneability of the terms, but I disagree in the way they are used in todays world. People don't play by the rules as much these days in language.

To me a boat is a boat and a ship is a ship. So as I said I would rather be in a ship than a boat in the Atlantic. I think most people would agree.
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Therein lies the problem, in todays world if I ask if its a boat, im likely going to find out its a small water craft, if I say ship im going to probably find out its a large water craft, much larger than a personal watercraft.

Your technically right in the interchaneability of the terms, but I disagree in the way they are used in todays world. People don't play by the rules as much these days in language.

To me a boat is a boat and a ship is a ship. So as I said I would rather be in a ship than a boat in the Atlantic. I think most people would agree.
OK, but I still don't see why anybody would give this a second of thought, much less philosophize about it.

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Is a "personal watercraft" (i.e., a JetSki, SeaDoo or WaveRunner) considered a boat? It certainly is not a ship.

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Jim,
I think it is called a "death trap".
Sorry, living in Florida, we hear all the horror stories of accidents on these.
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Is a "personal watercraft" (i.e., a JetSki, SeaDoo or WaveRunner) considered a boat? It certainly is not a ship.

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Call it a boat or call it a ship, I dont care. I just call it my vacation
I'm with you there Dave! 8)
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Sorry, I just had to say this. If someone floats a loan, does that make it a boat or a ship? Old youth needs to know.
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Sorry, I just had to say this. If someone floats a loan, does that make it a boat or a ship? Old youth needs to know.
LMAO

I don't see the big deal ... ship, boat ...

If you miss the boat -- can you still get on the cruise ship?
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And anyway apart from the thread starter "misguided dangle" (I had that once, but got medication for it) ... what a strange handle for a cruise board.

Sorry.... I've just read the name again, its misguided angel

Does anyone really care apart from some snooty "navy types" that feel its compulsory to "put you right" on the proper terms. Who Cares 8).

Good thread misguidedangel , as for me call it what they want, as long as it is water tight and floats
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Actually, Websters (and the good ol' USA Navy) Defines a boat as follows:

1. a vessel for transport by water, constructed to provide buoyancy by excluding water and shaped to give stability and permit propulsion.
2. a small ship, generally for specialized use: a fishing boat.
3. a small vessel carried for use by a large one, as a lifeboat: They lowered the boats for evacuation.
4. a ship.
5. a vessel of any size built for navigation on a river or other inland body of water.


A ship is defined as a "Large Ocean Going Vessel" amongst other things.

As we can see, a boat is a smaller vessel while a Ship is a larger vessel. Also, a submersible ship, such as a submarine, is referred to as a boat.
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Let's just call them all vessels and be done with it.

@ DBG's misguided dangle. Glad you got it fixed!

For a minute I thought you were talking about a dangling participle ... good heavens!
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Actually, Websters (and the good ol' USA Navy) Defines a boat as follows:

1. a vessel for transport by water, constructed to provide buoyancy by excluding water and shaped to give stability and permit propulsion.
2. a small ship, generally for specialized use: a fishing boat.
3. a small vessel carried for use by a large one, as a lifeboat: They lowered the boats for evacuation.
4. a ship.
5. a vessel of any size built for navigation on a river or other inland body of water.


A ship is defined as a "Large Ocean Going Vessel" amongst other things.
Yeah, not every cruise ship is a large mega-liner. Some of them only hold a couple of hundred passengers. So, would they be considered a boat or a ship?

... I just harken back to my youthful days. The show was called "The Love Boat." It took place on a cruise ship. So, as far as I'm concerned, when I head to the pier, I'm gettin' on the boat. So there.

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You and me will stay back in the "Love Boat" days kyros

They still film it, but it now cost's you thirty bucks to buy the video or DVD... 8) and on every trip, and with a different cast everytime.

8)

But I'm a bit confused with this dictionary quote thing going on

"Actually, Websters (and the good ol' USA Navy) Defines a boat as follows:

1. a vessel for transport by water, constructed to provide buoyancy by excluding water and shaped to give stability and permit propulsion.
2. a small ship, generally for specialized use: a fishing boat.
3. a small vessel carried for use by a large one, as a lifeboat: They lowered the boats for evacuation.
4. a ship.
5. a vessel of any size built for navigation on a river or other inland body of water.

A ship is defined as a "Large Ocean Going Vessel" amongst other things. "
Okay, but your number 4 says a boat is a ship
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A friend who was once high up in the US coast guard put its like this.

You can put a boat on a ship but not a ship on a boat. Does that help?
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A friend who was once high up in the US coast guard put its like this.

You can put a boat on a ship but not a ship on a boat. Does that help?


BOAT = BOAT
SHIP = BOAT OR SHIP

DOES THIS HELP?
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Hey, english is a quirky language. Sometimes a boat and a ship are the same thing. Other times not. Languages tend to change around a bit. Have any of you listened to your kids talking?
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A rubber duckie in the bathtub floats. Is it a boat or a ship?
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Anybody else notice that the person that initially posted this hasn't bothered to come back and weigh in on the responses?
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Ah, Bill the beauty of Gripes, throw a grenade in and run. But thanks for the explosion of opinion 8)

Happens all the time, thats why I dont "DO" advice boards. People come on and brain dump their problem and then P off never to be heard of again

Nice to see you are still here bud, respect.
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Ah, Bill the beauty of Gripes, throw a grenade in and run. But thanks for the explosion of opinion 8)

Happens all the time, thats why I dont "DO" advice boards. People come on and brain dump their problem and then P off never to be heard of again

Nice to see you are still here bud, respect.
You too David. 8)
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Don 't worry, I have been here...I just haven't posted...
HHm, I am trying to hum the song "misguided Dnagle," aka "Misguided Angel" in my head and it just doesn't sound right...misguided dangle,hanging over me, heart like a gabriel, pure and white like ivory, black and cold like a piece of lead, misguided dangle, love you til I'm dead.....no, sorry, misguided angel fits in there a bit better...

Interesting how a simple gripes can grow....*BG*
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Paul B,
The real question is: are you booking your next cruise on the Rubber Ducky party ship?

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