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Old December 29th, 2007, 09:51 PM
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We were surprised to find the automatic sanitizer gel dispensers gone from Celebrity ships. They do insist on passengers using the sanitizer 'wipes' before coming back to ship from any port. The explanation was that the FDA had decided that thorough hand washing was just as effective. As a nurse, I realize this is true. The problem is that we know not everyone washes their hands! So I carried my own gel, avoided all handrails, door handles, faucett handles etc. more than usual. Neither of us had so much a a sniffle during the 2 week cruise, so I guess it paid off.
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Old December 29th, 2007, 10:52 PM
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I didn't see any on the Carnival Freedom during Thanksgiving.
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Hand gels can be misleading. They are useless against viral infections and can also do more harm than good. Sometimes people believe that hand gel is as good as or better than thorough washing with soap and warm/hot water. Thus, they may half wash, just rinse or not wash at all believing that unnecessary since they are using hand gel. these gels are slowly being phased out in many public places so that people are left with the only effective option which is a thorough hand washing -- without the hand gel to lure people into a false sense of protection.
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Old December 30th, 2007, 03:07 PM
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Since we KNOW the vast majority of persons DO NOT wash their hands properly, hand gel while not perfect is alot better than most persons so called "handwashing". Every study ever done rep[eatedly shows people either dont wash their hands at all ( males having the highest rate of non comliency) and at best don't do it properly, and as a nurse, I say openly that medical staff were just as bad and medical doctors, lets not even go there............. :evil:
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I never saw any santizing gel on neither Victory or Triumph. I wash my hands, but I do wish they would have hand lotion in the bathrooms. Washing your hands is fine, but for those of us with excessively dry skin washing your hands is a pain because you have to have hand lotion with you everywhere!!!!!

I remember when I was young we weren't this germophobic. We also didn't have antibiotic resistant strains of anything...*sigh*, this was less than 35 years ago....
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Old January 3rd, 2008, 03:19 PM
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See my other post regarding hygeine. I cannot believe that hand gel for all its debate regarding it's worth in the problem.. has been withdrawn. Thats amazing and scary...why would they do that?

This is even more scary

"The explanation was that the FDA had decided that thorough hand washing was just as effective."

Sorry FDA, and who is going to enforce that on a ship? People relying on other people doing a "thorough hand washing" please get real and wake up. There are people out there with poor hygeine standards,,,you cant rely on them to do a "thorough hand washing"

So they touch things in the cabin that will be there after they leave..and just in time for the next poor soul to contract their "farewell" present.

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Touch buffet food, pick it up, then change their mind and put back or pick up cutlery change their mind and then place that cutlery back!..mmmm

A few years late, but I can now appreciate why Micheal Jackson had a mask and gloves and Howard Hughes was doing the same

Withdrawing the last line of "potential" defense has got to be a mental decision. How do these people think
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Unbelievable! This time of year, numerous people have various upper respiratory bugs that are very good at ruining vacations/cruises, to say nothing of Noro virus. Add to that the fact that there are too many dim bulbs around who do not wash their hands to rely on that and the FDA is nuts. So if there is no gel, you should assume that every elevator button, every chair back and every hand rail is contaminated with something you really don't want during your cruise!!! Even if the FDA bureaucrats are dumber than a box of rocks, you would think the cruise execs would be brighter.
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Thanks Richstacy for the support, here in the UK the "cruise news" is about the new Cunard Queen Victoria. They had 170 people confined to cabins due to Norovirus, and even after they had got over it, still confined those people to stop it spreading for up to three days more.

To be fair to the line they put "all hands" on deck to stop the spread, ie hand wash stations, gel before eating, gel during eating.

mmm, in this case of the original poster, a ship or line can decide to cut out a basic hygiene barrier out...I will wonder and think again about them for my money.

But I will say that I believe that ships are ships, places where people meet. They are not the "culprit", its the people who have been ill prior to the cruise, but still go onboard, to then carry their infection onto others…. that’s so bad…And lets not forget those that have no sense of cleanliness regarding others in their vacationing lives.

But they "the ship or line" have to take that into account., and then deal with it. Not just put up your hands and say get on with it, infect as many people as you like as we are saving a few dollars on providing gel.
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I just had 2 passengers return Dec 21 from the Summit and there were hand sanitzers everywhere and they were wiping down the elevator buttons and hand rails every half an hour due to a norovirus outbreak... you really have to commend Celebrity.. a 14 day cruise and they only had 7 cases (according to my passenger).
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DayvidB, We were on the Statendam in 06 and missed Shanghai because of a Noro outbreak, my wife got it and we were quarantined for 36 hours. fortunately we had a great view from our Verandah. Remarkably I did not get it. The doc said I must have had immunity to that particular strain of the virus. Anyhow, this is a real problem in the cruise industry and they need to come to grips with it. I know several couples who have stopped cruising altogether because of it.
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Hand washing may be "just as effective" but, other than your stateroom, how convienent is it wash your hands?
The Lido deck on the Ryndam had ONE head at the front of the buffet and ONE forward of the pool. Each of those only had one sink.
No head near the dining room or the Pinnacle Grill.

They still had the sanitizers for nuetralizing the boogers that get picked walking through the ship.

The also had wipes in the public restrooms specifically labeled for opening the door.
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"Hand washing may be "just as affective" but, other than your stateroom, how convienent is it wash your hands?

If there is a toilet that people use, I expect a washbasin, I expect a place for people to wash their hands after doing so.

That is the source and cause, if people cannot be bothered to stand in line to wash their hands after what have done and touched...There is the problem, no respect for themselves in hygeine and even less for others that they are about to potentially contaminate, and why?

There was a Q for the wash basin,, I'm not waiting here as I'm off to the casino, I cant wait for this.

mmmmm,,touch those chips the next time they come around everyone.
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I was refering to the contamination that you pick up just walking through the ship. If eveyone used that ONE wash basin to wash their hands the line would be very long.
Of course, hands get washed after using the restroom.
But I think the sanitizers should remain for the disinfecting of your hands from railings, elevator buttons, etc.
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Dan, I agree. Every door, hand rail or lift button can do the same thing as the casino chips that I just described above.

Has anyone any idea just how bad this can be? For example, I go to the toilet and do not wash my hands afterwards, pull open the toilet door.

No matter if I as an individual scrubbed my hands in that toilet, the sad fact is that I as a person am just about to be infected from the door handle after my hand washing.

If we all washed our hands it would not be a problem, but it just takes one dirty bugger to not do it. If you see them in a ships toilet,,pick them up on it.
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"They also had wipes in the public restrooms specifically labeled for opening the door. "

There was a HAL employee that used the restroom without washing his hands. He just ignored me when I called him on it.
This was after the sickness outbreak and the stepped up cleanliness on HAL's part.

BTW, that was the only HAL rep that did not completely impress
me with professionalsm and freindliness.
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I have just read where they have a new chemical that will kill the Noro Virus it is called Aplet D2 and the FDA has approved it I am going to try to get some ordered before I cruise in March can be ordered on line ! Why aren't the cruiselines using this to disenfect the ships ? What i have read makes me not want to even get int he pools or the hot tubs you can catch it in those places also YUCKY if someone is coming down with it ,it can be spread that way also !
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Oh yeah, HAL closed the tubs but not the pools (?)
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Well they should have closed all the pools and i have just learned a mixture of 1 to 5 bleach solution will kill it also so guess I will take me a spray bottle mixed with that for just in cases lol and I will clean my room myself for percaution
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When I was on the Constellation in early December, at the start of the cruise they had the gel dispensers outside each dining area. By day two, most of the dispensers were out of commission--they'd be repaired for a day, then not working the next day. I think they break down because the old folks didn't take the time to figure out how they worked: person after person would hold their hand under the dispenser and when the gel didn't instantly dispense, they'd repeatedly smash their palm into the bottom of the dispenser.
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Last October on Prinsendam for 2 weeks the SAME busboy was at the begnning of the tray line every breakfast and just about every other time we ate in the Lido. His job was to motion to the gel machine and press the button for us, and then hand us a tray. He was a very friendly, cheerful young guy. I think he personally prevented a lot of colds and other problems, and this cheerful approach definitely reinforced the need to be alert.

As for myself, after shaking hands or touching things in public, I try to concentrate on NOT touching my face until I get a chance to wash my hands throughly.
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Well this may be old news, but every Celebrity cruise I have been on, there have been automatic hand sanitizers as well as staff with the pumps, outside of the main dining room insisiting to squirt in the pax hands.

We were on the Pacific Princess in April and they were far less diligent. There was one broken hand sanitizer in the buffet area, which I said something about and it was never repaired. There just didn't seem to be enough to go around.
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