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Old June 25th, 2008, 02:49 PM
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But, just back from a land based vacation / family wedding in Spain and the hotel was brilliant, as was the food, service etc.

PLUS, we had DAYS to experience this fantastic place, and find our fav bars and restaurants etc,,,,and explore without worrying about getting back to ship, or being left behind becuase we were late,,,,mmmm.

Think I'm getting bored with the same old ports and the "be onboard" timescales, so going back to land based vacations.

But the lines could have helped here, they could do more overnights in some ports and let people really experience the places they are visiting.

But no its just bigger ships visiting the same old ports, and same old timescale to leave ship and get back on, with people not actually experiencing the place. And the bigger the ships and in a short port stay, the less chance you have of discovering anything apart from CROWDS

That’s my gripe, sorry cruising; I'm taking my money back on land unless things change and we can sail and are given the chance to really discover the destinations.
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Good, leaves more food for me in the buffet. Besides, in my opinion, the ship is the destination.
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David, that's the reason why we drive to Las Vegas at least once each year and tour several US National Parks each time. For me and Willie Nelson, it is always "on the road again."
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David, I agree with you about the overnights in port. On my last cruise, we had three full days in Venice; it was wonderful to be able to explore more sights in this wonderful city. In the past, we have overnighted in Saigon, Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, and Singapore. We have overnighted in Key West. I do wish that there were even more overnight port visits.
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I also agree with Davyid (wow I can't beleive I said that). The lines need to get us more time in port and if that means few ports so be it. I was thinking of taking the NCL ship (the ones with all the bad reviews) to Hawaii because of the long and overnight port stays. Check out this schedule you get two overnights in Maui and Kauai that is the way to see Hawaii.

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Day Ports of Call Arrival Departure

1 Honolulu, Oahu --- 8:00 p.m.

2 Kahului, Maui 8:00 a.m. ---

3 Kahului, Maui --- 6:00 p.m.

4 Hilo, Hawaii 8:00 a.m. 6:00 p.m.

5 Kailua-Kona, Hawaii 7:00 a.m. 6:00 p.m.

6 Nawiliwili, Kauai 8:00 a.m. ---

7 Nawiliwili, Kauai --- 2:00 p.m.

8 Honolulu, Oahu 7:00 a.m. ---
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I agree with David, too. Not that I would quit cruising, and in fact I dislike being in the same place for too long.

But I definitely do like overnights, especially in great ports.

To me, some ports deserve more than one day and some don't. I love seeing Athens, but I don't want more than one day. But to see Venice or Rome you need at least 2 or 3.

Personally, one day in Florence/Pisa is enough for me.
In the Baltic, I don't need more than one day in Helsinki, Copenhagen, Stockholm or Oslo. They all look the same to me. But St Petersberg is 3 or 4 days needed.

I do want to go to Europe some day with a Car and spend as much time as i want anywhere I want to go.
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Old June 27th, 2008, 03:27 PM
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Paul, re Europe, if you want to explore Scotland and drive, then you can use us as a base for it any time.

Too be honest I aint quiting cruising, it was just a reminder to me, that there is more to see and more to do,,,,,if you are not in a panic about getting back to ship.

Give us more overnights in port, simple 8)

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We're not going to quit cruising, but fact of the matter is the lines and ships I like have priced me out of the market as far as being a frequent cruiser is concerned. And even the lines and ships I do not like much are getting close, when all their "extras" are figured in. One of the lines I frequently cruised in the past was Regent. Five years ago, we could go on a seven night cruise for around $2500 pp, and about everything onboard was included, so no big ship's bill at the end, except for shore excursions. Now, it has about doubled. We don't like big ships and crowds (a personal thing), and looking around at less inclusive lines leads me to suspect that they would be "budget breakers" too, when the final bill came in.

So in place of our former "summer cruise" we have rented a 2200 sq. ft. house for a week near the beach in Destin, FL along with a couple of adult kids for $300 pp, plus $600 pp air fare, and about $75 pp car rental. At land retail prices, our "bar bill" won't exceed $75 pp at the local grocery store, and the house has a full kitchen and laundry facilities, so food won't be much either.

A bit later, and under the heading of "culture" we will attend the National Convention of one of the major political parties (I won't say which) where my wife is a delegate from our state. Similar price structure, with air being a bit less, and hotel being a bit more, with no rental car expense as a shuttle will be running, and no food or "beverage" expense, as it is pretty well provided for delegates and spouses.

The way prices have increased on the cruise lines I like caused me to re-think my travel planning. I agree with DayvidB, in that we enjoy cruises that have more port time than the average. But it is price, and not port time, that has made us re-think the matter -- and cruise less and do more domestic traveling.
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Yes, more overnights would be great but...
The cruise line needs to pull in that 300.00 to 500.00 per cabin per day. So either you have a cruise with 1/2 the stops for the same price or the same amount of stops for twice the price.
Would be nice if there was a choice but I don't see it happening.
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Yes, I think you've got it right as to the "non-inclusive" lines I don't like. They have a financial motivation to keep you onboard as much as possible, so they can sell you $3 cokes and $6 beers, and worthless art, and take your money with the tightest slots on the planet. Once "extras" became a "profit center" and not a service, these lines want to keep their captive market as much time as possible. That is why we no longer cruise those lines. And as we can't afford to cruise much on the lines that don't abuse us that way, we find alternatives.
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We kinda agree.

I meant specifically the cost of the cabin before extras. They want/need that flat income per day whether the ship is moving or not.

To have a 2 night stay at a port in the Carribean on a five day cruise means....one stop. I would not think that to be much of a cruise.

To stay overnight at 3 ports turns a 5 day scruise into 8 or so and starts to price the average working slob (like me!!) out of the cruise.

I agree that the ship is the destination with the ports being a bonus or a diversion.

Like Dave, my wife and I also enjoy land vacations. I highly recommend 5 days in Ixtapa on an all-inclusive at the El Presidente. Suite for two and everything (EVERYTHING) included for under $2K.
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We kinda agree.

I meant specifically the cost of the cabin before extras. They want/need that flat income per day whether the ship is moving or not.

To have a 2 night stay at a port in the Carribean on a five day cruise means....one stop. I would not think that to be much of a cruise.

To stay overnight at 3 ports turns a 5 day scruise into 8 or so and starts to price the average working slob (like me!!) out of the cruise.

I agree that the ship is the destination with the ports being a bonus or a diversion.

Like Dave, my wife and I also enjoy land vacations. I highly recommend 5 days in Ixtapa on an all-inclusive at the El Presidente. Suite for two and everything (EVERYTHING) included for under $2K.
So now that a cruise I was eyeballing stops in Ixtapa. It's a seven day out of San Diego (I can drive). It goes to Acapulco, Mexico; Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa, Mexico; Manzanillo, Mexico. I haven't been to any of these ports before. Seven day cost of balcony room $799 (before the extras) Oct 09. Also fuel charge and taxes not included
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If you are only going to be there for a day, go to Zihuatanejo. It is the old fishing village that has all the shopping and historic sites.
Ixatapa was built from the ground up to be a resort destination.
I'm pretty sure that the ships pull into the fishing village as the resort area is nothing but beach.

It was a one dollar cab ride between the two places.
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We actually would avoid Ixtapa altogether...just more resorts and commercialism. The ships tender into Zihuatanejo, a peaceful, picturesque fishing village. They have built a nice 'boardwalk', concrete actually, around the bay. The hawkers are not allowed to bother you on the street or on the beach, they must stay in their stalls. One of our favorite ports. Manzanillo is no great shakes, but everyone should go to Acapulco...once. Do see the Quebrada cliff divers.
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Thanks guys some great posts above, but to be honest we seem to have a split camp.

We have those have done all the same ports, but never experienced them at night, those that just want to be on a ship and to heck with the port. And those like my good friend babe who feels they are getting priced out the market,,,thats a really good point made and good scenario that actually deserves a thread on its on.

Yes there are still deals out there, agreed. But this may be an age thing, having done "it" for so long, the bigger ships are not my answer to the future of cruising, personally I would appreciate more time in a port, to experience and enjoy,,the ship is but the transport to that place.

Does any drive X miles to a place they want to visit and view it from the car? or the car park they set down in?....No you dont, no matter how nice your car is, same goes for ships. Park up, stay there and let us have some quality time.

Think about it, it could actually reduce ship and people numbers hitting "the usual" ports in any day, thats got to be good
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With me, it is probably an age thing. As I got into my 60s I got grumpier! I no longer tolerate accomodations of less than about 250 sq. ft. (plus balcony). I can no longer tolerate ships with 3000 passengers, where my port time is wasted waiting in line to get off or get on. (And waiting in line onboard for everything as well.) I can no longer tolerate being nickeled and dimed for everything at inflated prices.

Time was, a few short years ago, I could cruise on ships with 300, 500, and 700 passengers, with accomodations and service as described above, without having to sell my children and grandchildren to do it. BTW, many of these cruises included much more port time than the big ships, and none of it was spent in line! Now, with prices on those cruises doubled, its a different story, and I can find no "takers" for the kids and grandkids. Rather than go back to crowded accomodations, lines and crowds, and nickle and diming, I prefer to stay home, if that is the only option. Europe and many destinations are out, because the devalued dollar has made land stays there prohibitive as well. But while I have been cruising all over the world, I have ignored much in my own country that we want to experience. It's time for that now, mostly.
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I bow to your experience 8) and your ability to bring me back

We would agree that cruising as a vacation is what it is,,,an experience, it still is,,,,,,,,,,

MMMMM

Wonder how the lines are dealing with all you presented above, and having been there and experiencied the "new" cruising, how many newbies will be as loyal to the vacation or ship / line as some of us were.

If I had started now, I dont think I would have got the bug
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Well, I tend to disagree - this will be our 4th cruise (we are in our 60's) and didn't have the time or money when our children were growing up.
I think you will always have people who are "hooked" on cruising just like
some go to Vegas several times a year or down to Florida or the islands
on a regualr basis. In fact, we were looking at a week in Grand Caymen
or Aruba in January and the prices were outrageous - we are doing a
repositioning cruise for 30 days for not much more than that week in
Aruba would have cost us. And as far as seeing the good 'ole USA - unless
the price of gas goes down - I think most will stay closer to home. "Damned if you do and damned if you don't. (Oops, hope I don't get yelled at for that??).
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Price of gas is horrible, isn't it. Still, we are considering a trip to Northern California from Central Oklahoma for a National Mercedes Benz Club meet. Even if gas is $5 per gallon then, I figure I can drive there for $500 round trip, with another $500 for hotel on the road, making the trip $500 pp for the two of us -- not in an "econobox" but in a Mercedes. Then, when we get there for this five day event. Figure in another $375 pp for hotel and another 300 pp for food and drinks while there (as much will be provided by the club). And there we have an eleven day "luxury" trip for less than $1200 pp with no crowds, lines or nickel and diming.

For those who think Mercedes is a bit much, consider that our two get close to 30 mpg on the highway -- at 80. And the fact that, when we first cruised Regent in '02, total air and cruise cost for the two of us was 1/8 the cost of a new Mercedes. Today, it is more like 1/3. Makes me think that we should have more Mercedes and fewer cruises, which is exactly what we have done. We enjoy either. My posts above detail how other domestic land opportunites are a better deal than going on an uncrowded, uncommercialized cruise. One just has to look for them.

If my only cruise alternative that I can economically justify is a return to mass market lines, forget it. I'd rather stay home (it's a rather nice home) and hire a staff of servants for a week or two to wiat on me. Silly idea, but they would do a good job, and I really wouldn't miss those very few hours of actual port time that the mass market lines provide these days. And the cost pp would be way less.

So right now, I am priced out of the market for the cruises I like. Not because I am unable to pay the price, but becaue other things are a better value, IMO. Others may like different cruise experiences than I do now, and I understand. Were I 24 instead of 64 years of age, I would be wanting to go on Carnival and have no worries about my bar bill because all of the young women would have paid for my drinks . That was then, and this is now. And for the cruise experiences I like now, I'd rather forgo them, take inexpensive domestic trips, and maybe buy a third Mercedes .
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My last cruise was a Celebrity out of Barcelona. It was a 10 day cruise stopping in 4 countries. I flew to barcelona 14 days ahead of my husband and explored Spain on my own. I mainly stayed in cheap budget hotels and hostels and took local buses and trains. I even went to Lisbon for 2 days and had a blast.

After vagabonding around Spain it was nice to board Celebrity Century where everything is planned and you are treated like gold.

However if I had only been restricted to the Cruise and had not been on my own experiencing Spain on my own terms I would have been absolutley left wanting more. In other words a cruise is just not enough (for some of us).

I think combing the two is best for me.
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Seamonkey, so you agree?

"However if I had only been restricted to the Cruise and had not been on my own experiencing Spain on my own terms I would have been absolutely left wanting more. In other words a cruise is just not enough (for some of us)".

So more time in port, get to experience the place you are visiting 8) It has to be the way ahead, especially given the cost in fuel to keep jumping port day after day.

Question: X number of ships sailing between Y ports EVERYDAY,mmm. How much of the world’s fuel would the cruise industry save, if they did more overnights in port and reduced the number of ports that are QUICKLY visited????

MASSES

By doing so, would the customer cruising experience increase,,,YES

Could it have an affect on the price you pay for a cruise,,of course it will.
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Wouldn't more time in ports decrease profits since people are not spending money on the ship?

Does the cruiseline receive money from different port areas to bring in the tourists.

You suggest adding ports, After searching out cruises (currently as a hobby since I can't afford one) Doesn't the line offer cruises to multiple ports and others more sea days to cater to the preference of the individual cruiser?

Personally I would enjoy a 7 day cruise at sea. I believe, as one other poster said, the ship is the vacation.
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[quote="DayvidB"]...But the lines could have helped here, they could do more overnights in some ports and let people really experience the places they are visiting...[quote]

We have posed this question before and again it was thought that the loss of revenue by the cruise line was the reason we could not have one or more nights in certain ports. Now we were not referring to the Caribbean for that is a specific tropical experience aboard or ashore. But cruises with a longer duration with unique places have a different calling. While we enjoyed the cultural exhibits during the day tours, the evening we spent in Shanghi on our own was a wonderful adventure, enjoying the local cuisine and happening upon a local cabaret with a live show, adding so much to our memories of our visit to that city.

The net loss to the line was probably no more than a couple of cocktails for, as mentioned, the Casino with it's none existent returns has not been our calling for years. And the dinner that we passed up most probably found it's way into a soup or something. And if additional port fees are required to stay over in port then we would gladly pay them to be able to see such aspects of these far away places.
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I totally agree about the additional overnite stays in exotic ports. That was
one of the main factors in selecting our repositioning cruise with RCCL on the Mariner of the Seas around South America and Cape Horn. An overnite in Rio, Buenos Aires and Valpariso using our ship as our hotel and
getting to enjoy the nite life of these vibrant cities. I would love to see some lines offering some type of "ship hopping" cruises where you can sail
to a destination - stay a week or two - and then hop back home on another ship. (these probably exist now, but would need the advise of
a really good cruise TA to help with the details.)
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David, I agree that more overnite stays in key ports would be nice. To be honest. a ship is not the best way to see Europe. Years ago we drove our selves, later we took land tours. Both were tiring but allowed you to see things in more detail. Traveling by ship is by far the most relaxing. I enjoy packing and unpacking once and being able to rest and relax after a long day. Mike
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I know what David means, and am sure that he does not expect any cruise itinerary, no matter how well planned, to provide an in-depth experience in countries visited. Rather, a cruise can only be a "sampler" of these countries.

Problem is, port time on some lines' iteneraries is so short that it does not even provide a good sampler. Then, when you subtract from the scheduled port times the time wasted in lines to disembark and embark again (especially on the larger ships and/or at tendered ports), the passenger all too often gets left with very little true port time.

Some lines may do this, beacuse they perceive that is what customers want. I can recall our first cruise selection process 16 years ago. As first-timers then, we selected the sailing that visited the largest number of ports in a week, period. We didn't consider how much time was spent in each port, and we didn't consider the time wasted in lines -- as we did not know about them. I'll bet many first-time cruisers do the same, and that lines that market to a lot of first-timers intentionally put as many ports on the schedule as possible.
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