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Old August 25th, 2008, 03:43 PM
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No offense to these of you good parents with well behaved kids. I would like all childern age 16 and under to be banned for flying red eye or early morning flights. The rest of us are trying to sleep your screaming or laughing (you know the high pitched laugh) annoys the heck out of the rest of us.

My hubby and I were flying from Los Angeles or Sacramento on a red eye flight after being in the in airports for 23 hours (with stop over time included) coming back from Italy, this was the last flight. We had the bad luck to be seated in front for one of these over 30 year moms that thinks the sun raises and sets just for her. Her kid was like 2 or 3 years old and she had the light on to entertain the kid. If she would have turned off the light the "angel" would have fallen asleep. Instead for 1 hour and 30 minutes we got treated to high pitched laughter of her little "angel." My hubby politely asked her to slience the child as he was trying to sleep. She gave him a look like he suggested putting a muzzle on the kid.

So airlines if you are listening this was not the child's fault it was the stupid mother's fault. If you just go ahead and ban the kids that would help the rest of us out. Thanks.
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You have NO IDEA how much I agree with you, nice one. Anything from 2 hours to 10 hours, have I have experienced this 'pain'.

Its just selfish parents dragging children into a vacation that they will never remember when it comes to dragging tots on vacation. Hey we are on vacation, and our young children may scream and shout, but hey we are on vacation,,,mmmm

Why not wait until they grow up a bit and have some personal control,,,,no,,,,,oh the dread of a screaming tot in a seat in front of or behind me on a flight.

Dont do it, vacation without flights please when your children are so young
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I could also go along with banning screaming little kids from resturants and movie theatres. It is interesting how parents drag their little kids and some not so little to R rated horror films. I wonder what goes on a child's brain when they see someone dismembered by a chain saw with blood all over the place?
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Personally, I love kids while traveling....especially the little ones.

I love them...in a box...with air holes.
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Personally, I love kids while traveling....especially the little ones.

I love them...in a box...with air holes.
. I know you are joking I just hope others realize it, cause that made me laugh. Hey they make child leashes, now all we need are muzzles and pinch collars.
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When I used to fly SWA many years ago, they allowed families to preboard but required them to sit in the last 16 rows of the plane. This was a godsend to the business travelers who sat up front with little or no carry ons. I used to fly to Southern California 3 days a week from Phoenix. Out at 8 and back at 5, It was so nice having the kiddies in the back. I no longer fly them if i can help it but I have heard they no longer use this preboard policy. Bummer!
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I would be willing to pay a $25 surcharge to get on an adult only flight. So if the airlines want to make more money I know I'm not the only one.
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Personally, I love kids while traveling....especially the little ones.

I love them...in a box...with air holes.
. I know you are joking I just hope others realize it, cause that made me laugh. Hey they make child leashes, now all we need are muzzles and pinch collars.
Yeah, that's it.....kidding
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As a former Airline Employee on both the ground and inflight side of things...I have to agree. But as a parent of young child I just have to say that some kids are controlled. I travel extensively with my 19 month old, in fact we are going to MI this weekend, but I always make sure he is QUIET. Always equipped with food, toys, paci...whatever makes him happy. But the longest flight he has been on was 2 hours and some change, I will definatly not take him on anything crazy unless I have to.

Children are not disciplined like we were. My parents spanked me, and I don't consider that abuse, I always did as I was told. I still don't know what happens if they get any farther than "1..2..3" (and I am 23!!) I was done with whatever was going on. My DH and I believe that our children need discipline, not abuse by any means, but our son knows what NO means and when to STOP. Too many young parents today let thier kids get away with anything, run a muck!! I loathe those parents, cause then I look like the bad guy, but at least I know my child is not pissing anyone off.

And on another note, lol this sounds horrible. I HATE KIDS. I LOVE mine, and would do anything for them. But as for other people's children who talk back to thier parents and get away with anything, I could just ship those children to Siberia and be done with them.



Just my opinion, but you all have my word that I will not bring my children on any long haul flights unless NESSACARY, and in that instance...Benadryl may be used...allegedly.
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The little doggie in the photo here has flown about 15 times. Everytime I bring her on I see the eye rolls. Everytime we grt off I have at least one passenger make a comment like" if only the kids on this flight were as well behaved as your dog". Never a peep out of her except for one time when the toddler behind us keep screaming for almost the whole flight. It was so high pitched I think it hurt her ears. I could hear her wimpering softly. I pay about $100 each way now to fly with her, in addition to giving up a piece of carry on luggage. The screaming lap children get to go for free however. I think they should have to pay the pet rate too.
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OK, I agree about the screaming kids part. However, my husband and I have travelled with our children extensively - all four of them. The last three are very close in age, and our first big trip after the youngest was born was to California when he was 5 months old. That trip we had two lap babies, and the stewardesses and other passengere were not happy to see us coming. However, they fell all over themselves complimenting us on how much they enjoyed flying with our kids. You see, two of them get motion sick so must take medication when on a long car ride or flying - so they slept! The youngest actually cut his first tooth on the plane trip home, and didn't make a peep! I think they all know how to behave because we always have taken them to restaurants and other public places, so from a young age they have always know what we expect from them. At home, they fight and can be really loud, but they know I will not hesitate to remove them if they carry on like that in public. My husband's aunt was amazed at how they are because her son won't take his daughter to McDonald's - but she never gets taken so she doesn't know how to act!
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Boy, for a minute there when I read the title I thought the thread was about Hooters airline !!

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Amen! Sign me up for this flight. The first airline that implements this policy (even with a surcharge) has my business.
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The little doggie in the photo here has flown about 15 times. Everytime I bring her on I see the eye rolls. Everytime we grt off I have at least one passenger make a comment like" if only the kids on this flight were as well behaved as your dog". Never a peep out of her except for one time when the toddler behind us keep screaming for almost the whole flight. It was so high pitched I think it hurt her ears. I could hear her wimpering softly. I pay about $100 each way now to fly with her, in addition to giving up a piece of carry on luggage. The screaming lap children get to go for free however. I think they should have to pay the pet rate too.
Cute little shih tzu! Mine is too big to travel in the cabin as she is 23 pounds and not fat.

I have been on more flights with well behaved kids than not, however when bad, they were really bad. The worst was on a mercifully short flight to Atlanta where the hellions behind me played "Kick and Guess", kicking the seat and guessing how long it was going to be before I started to scream at them. One of my seat mates got mad enough to say somthing to the doting mother to which she defended their kids with the "Kids will be Kids Defense." I simply rang the flight attendant who sternly warned the mother and her brats. Peace reigned in the cabin thereafter.
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No offense to these of you good parents with well behaved kids. I would like all childern age 16 and under to be banned for flying red eye or early morning flights. The rest of us are trying to sleep your screaming or laughing (you know the high pitched laugh) annoys the heck out of the rest of us.

My hubby and I were flying from Los Angeles or Sacramento on a red eye flight after being in the in airports for 23 hours (with stop over time included) coming back from Italy, this was the last flight. We had the bad luck to be seated in front for one of these over 30 year moms that thinks the sun raises and sets just for her. Her kid was like 2 or 3 years old and she had the light on to entertain the kid. If she would have turned off the light the "angel" would have fallen asleep. Instead for 1 hour and 30 minutes we got treated to high pitched laughter of her little "angel." My hubby politely asked her to slience the child as he was trying to sleep. She gave him a look like he suggested putting a muzzle on the kid.

So airlines if you are listening this was not the child's fault it was the stupid mother's fault. If you just go ahead and ban the kids that would help the rest of us out. Thanks.
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I was 16 when I took my first flight in a commercial plane (I was 10 when I went in a float plane, my first EVER time in a plane). I agree that children should be controlled.

I remember flying home from Vancouver (returning home from the first time flying ever) and I was in front of a mother with a young kid under the age of five. For 90 minutes I was subjected to screams, yells, my seat back being kicked non-stop by this little darling of a boy. The flight attendant was doing whatever she could to calm him because people behind and beside were complaining, and I also complained about the little darling.....I was glad for that flight to be over..

This past February we were flying to Houston and had a connection in Calgary. We had a 6am flight and the boarding started 5:45am. The darling little girl (maybe 4 years old) would have been dead and I led off to jail if the flight had been 10 minutes longer.....We sat on the runway waiting for deicing, and finally took off at 6:30am arriving in Calgary just after 7am (and a very tight 30 minutes to get off, clear US customs, and get on the next plane to Houston). This darling little girl was travelling with her mother, father, and younger sister (who was as quiet as could be), alas, this darling (dripping with toxic levels of sarcasm) was egged on by her father and from the time of boarding to landing I am sure she said "Jamaica" (in various tones of excitement and joy) at least 50 times before we taxied away from the gate. After we taxied away to deice it must have been 50 more times. By the time we took off and landed, it was probably another 100+ times....I was suprised at how she could multitask (coverse with parents and play portable game) AND keep saying J A M A I C A over and over and *&$%ing over.....

I was so glad to get off the plane, I do hope that darling little girl annoyed the living crap out of the passengers on their something like 8 hour flight to Jamaica...ooooh, I am sure there would have been a homocide on that plane, and it could have been one of the parents that was the one who committed the homocide!!!!!

Perhaps that is what the Duct Tape was for--to tape ones childs mouth shut to keep everyone else sane on the plane!!!!!!

The funny thing, was Jamaica was one of our ports of call, and I even didn't want to say Jamaica because I had been Jamaica's out!!!!!
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I don't have a problem with a crying child. While it may be bothersome to me, it's a lot worse for the parent or the child. There are some kids who cry because they are just plain brats but most of the small children cry because the pressure in the plane hurts their years or they are frightened over the situation.

What I cannot stand is a child sitting behind me who kicks the seat or decides it's fun to throw things over the seat. Then they should be boiled.

Parents need to prepare for a flight with their children and have plenty of toys, treats and other things to either occupy their time. They also need to make sure the kids are tired and comfortable enough to sleep during the flight. Dress them in pajamas or loose clothing so it is easy for them to sleep. The portable DVD player is a wonderful invention.

I also believe people can and do overreact to kids on a plane. I've witnessed people tell parents to "Get your child under control" when the child wakes up and cries for no more than two minutes. Or they feel that the sound of a child's voice is obnoxious when they are merely talking.

It's no more obnoxious than the person who decides to tell you their entire life story, including their marital problems while you are trying to read or take a snooze.

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I guess I'm the lucky one because I have yet to experience a flight with a kid acting up.
In my last plane ride there was a kid crying for about 5 minutes then he stopped so that did not bother me or anyone else around me.

When the kids where small and I took them on flights I would wake them up super early that morning so by the time He got to the plane he just slept the whole time.

What bothers me more is Snoring. Having people around you that snore is the worest.
Also last plane ride had a big group of about 15 adults and they were talking and laughing so loud everyone can hear them. :o
Also once had a very overweight sweaty man sitting next to me and his arm and leg were taking up my seat too. Just Nasty.

Many adults are worse then kids I would like to have my own private plane to fly around in just like John Travolta!

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Ok you all prompted me to tell you the WORST flight story I have EVER encountered. Be ready...this is amazing.


So, as you all know I used to be a flight attendant for an undisclosed american carrier. I worked on a small 50 passenger propeller aircraft, hence I was the only flight attendant onboard. We were flying from Charlotte NC to a military town on the East coast of North Carolina (if you figured out who I worked for, just hush ) These flights are usually full of young people, either active duty military or thier families, no biggie, I have dealt with them before and lived among them. Just prior to boarding, the gate agent came to me, she looked very upset, and this is her exact words "you are about to receive a family that you may or may not want to accept, after they come aboard you can judge for yourself if you want them to fly or not, I have no issues taking them off and putting them on another airline." OHH NO, not good news to hear from the GATE agent. I agree to take them and see how things go...praying the Our Father in my head as boarding begins. I expect to see a storm cloud of chaos come flying out of the gate and up to my plane but nothing of the sort happens, in fact, I can't seem to pick out one family in particular, everything seems fine until I do my routine checks. ha ha

The family in question was sitting toward the back of the aircraft, which was a bummer for me as that is where my "crew rest seat" is located. When I approach the family I see a rather over weight young girl (18/19) her terrified looking hubby (same age range) and a lap child (20 months) on his lap, a baby (6 months) on her lap. As I pass by I smile at them and check to make sure thier seat belts are on and thier luggage is stowed properly, "what the h*&^ are you smiling and looking at my husband for??!!", taken back I simply explain that I was doing my routine seat belt and luggage check, she rolls her eyes and I pass by. No big deal, I am used to this. All is good until after takeoff...both of thier children start screaming bloody h#%% in my cabin, so bad in fact that my pilots called back and asked what was going on. I approached the family and asked if there was anything I could get the children to assist them, and she freaks "ohh are MY kids such an issue?? Obviously you don't have any children, you skinny b*^$&, leave us alone!!!" At this...I advise her to stop swearing first in front of the children and then not to swear at me as threatening a flight crew member is a federal offense, at this her hubby finally finds "his" and tells her to just let it go. Meanwhile all the other passengers are in as much disbelief and angered as I am at the situation. I move on to my beverage service, half way through I hear something in my galley (at the back of the aircraft) I leave my cart and hurry to the back (as there is an emergency hatch as well as other equipment back there) and I find the 20 month old getting into EVERYTHING...I quickly take the child gently by the hand and bring him to his parents. "What the h^Z$ are you doing with my child you b***??!!" At this I am done. I advise her that she has crossed the line one too many times and that I have to alert the Captain of her behavior, "Whatever *&%%) *&^*%*&^" I call the Captain and he advises me to come to the cockpit door, He comes out and speaks with the passenger. When he comes back he calls our arrival city and has them get authorities ready to arrest her upon arrival as she cussed him out as well and told him she would "damage" the plane upon arrival. Upon arrival, we pull up to the gate and the authorites are outside, they come onboard take her off and she is taken away.


Needless to say, it is not always the children (even though they can contribute to the problem) but how the people act who are supposed to be raising them.
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Sometimes adults are much more obnoxious. On my last flight, we witnessed a 50ish male being very rude to the flight attendant. She had him moved to the front of the plane, but really, she could have removed him from the flight. I wish she had.
Kids are kids, what can I say? I've really never had a flight ruined because of them BUT! It was sitting between two snoring men that was ridiculous. And they were very loud, fits and starts.
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I have a solution to the problem:

Children up to age 10 are to be shipped in a ventilated shipping crate.

Age 10 to 19 no ventilation.

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The scariest part is that I want to go back to flying eventually!!


But this time I want to work for a charter only airline, one in particular who currently holds the govt' contract. I would fly the troops out to the desert and then being them home. Much more fulfilling than being with the "public"

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I agree with the snoring. I had a red eye flight to Miami last year, and again for the cruise coming up in eight days. Two rows up on the other side a man was snoring quite loud, and three rows back behind me another man was so loud you could hear him at the front of the plane! I was so tired and I tried to sleep on the plane, but these two men were just too loud. I got up to use the washroom and I passed the seat and his poor wife had a rather annoyed look on her face as if to say 'Sure. YOU can sleep but me, NOOOOOOOO". I smiled and nodded as if to say Im in the same boat because he was keeping me and a few others awake.....

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Doug,
Looks close enough, although I would be inclined to let him have a few air holes.
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Just a little different view...
Ever been on a plane and the pressure just ain't right?

Ears start hurting to the point of itching....even your throat starts to hurt?

That's about the only time I'll understand kids screaming.
Of course, that is pain and they can't help it.

If I am being bothered by rambunctious kids and the parents make no attempt to control them after I suggest they do...then I'll ask for a seat change.
Since that is rarely possible, the attendants will address the problem.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 04:18 PM
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Guys

If you are going to lock me in a container and ship me off, then when I get out, I want to look like Peter Petrelli and meet the "Irish girl"...

And if I was not such a self opinionated wind up merchant who can sometimes get what he deserves in reaction, I would be really hurt by these comments and your thought process,,,,and all from my fellow Cruise Mates............upset my a*** 8)

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Old August 30th, 2008, 02:27 PM
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Dayvid,
I would never give that much grief to someone who couldn't handle it!

Re. the pain from pressure problems on a plane. That is often the reason for the kids crying, even screaming. Their ear canals are not big enough to adjust properly, so what might be unnoticed by a normal adult can be agonizing to a small child. Not the kid's fault, but a lot of parents don't know this or do know it and decide to fly anyway. Personally I would like to see them refuse boarding to very young children except in extreme circumstances. I don't mean that there aren't some spoiled, bratty kids in this world, just that sometimes the way they act is justified.
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