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Fact is they sell cruises to people that cannot really afford the full cruise experience.

So they invite their own "thieves" or "smugglers" on board when they sell the cruise at the prices they do.

You invite scum, you get a scummy reation or action.

Sorry its a basic problem in cruising today, show it or sell it cheap, and let them ignore the real cost in add ons for the experience.

And they also steal the experience from those around them, by being scum.

Only scum would steal a picture or anything else,,,,lock up your cabin as they are on board.

I resent the remark calling me and my fellow blue collar workers scum. In my experience I have notice that the less fortunate are the ones that will give more than take. They appreciate what they have worked the rear ends off to get. Yes there are a few bad apples but to make a comment like that only shows you are narrow minded. You might need one of us to change the tire on you car on nasty night.
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Fact is they sell cruises to people that cannot really afford the full cruise experience.

So they invite their own "thieves" or "smugglers" on board when they sell the cruise at the prices they do.

You invite scum, you get a scummy reation or action.

Sorry its a basic problem in cruising today, show it or sell it cheap, and let them ignore the real cost in add ons for the experience.

And they also steal the experience from those around them, by being scum.

Only scum would steal a picture or anything else,,,,lock up your cabin as they are on board.

I resent the remark calling me and my fellow blue collar workers scum. In my experience I have notice that the less fortunate are the ones that will give more than take. They appreciate what they have worked the rear ends off to get. Yes there are a few bad apples but to make a comment like that only shows you are narrow minded. You might need one of us to change the tire on you car on nasty night.
Here is my opinion; most of the mass market cruiselines don't represent all costs at the time of booking. So the cruise will seem cheaper then it is. If they added the tips, fuel surcharge, tax and port charge, airplane cost, hotels, and cost of soda. All of the sudden the cruise they booked and thought they could afford is now much more expensive. So they want a picture of the formal night they justify by saying the picture will just be thrown away is they don't steal it. It's not right, but it happens. I saw a lady try to sneak a photo out and the security tag caught her. That happened on the "premuim line" Celebrity. A cruise line like Regent is more expensive, but there are no hidden costs.
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I notice that in the men's changing room in the Spa area, on Celebrity (at least on our last cruise) they replaced the little Gillcrest shave creams with mini Barbasol shaving cream cans. Looks just like the regular, large blue and red / cane-striped cans, but only smaller...maybe 3 ozs? Surely good for at least 10 shaves. Target sells the same in their "travel bins", we like to pick up on weekend, local trips.

These little Barbasol cans along with disposable razors were displayed on a serving tray for men to use, while shaving in the men's area. I can't tell you how many men I saw picking up these travel shave creams to put in their robe or pants' pockets!

They weren't shaving in the area, but taking one or two cans with them, ! Gosh, if they needed it THAT bad...would be happy to buy them a can at the mercantile.

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Stealing is stealing and you can try to justify all you want---stealing is stealing!! If an item is overpriced just don't buy it. That's business---you get good deals and you get bad deals---but that is not stealing.
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Dont agree on Stealing is Stealing and covers all, think about it. People do it everyday, they may not think they do,, but they do and they dont see it as stealing, but if you break it down it is.

That time on the phone to friends or family when your SUPOSSED to be working, that extra bit of time at lunch break,,,I could go on,,,people steal all the time

Agreed?

If not then you are doing the social thing as most of your fellow humans do, and accept stealing for some things but not others.

Some rob thier employer of time, some rob a shop to eat, some rob social benefits when not working, some rob a ship by bringing their own booze on board etc etc

Its about acceptability, and usually acceptabity comes from those that have and not those that have not when people are setting a rule for others to follow
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I am also one of those who just don't have the budget for what you guys call,"the full cruise experience" But I have a great time anyway. I will buy a few beers and some souveniers maybe, but unfortunately I am one of those "under-employed" that are affected by the current economic crisis. I told my wife I was going to pay for my ticket but I had to stiff her because the mortgage comes first! She's not mad tho, not my fault. This time last year I was making a very healthy paycheck. But I'll bet I have more class than many people with money and wouldn't steal from a cruise no matter what the price. I do have a problem with prices tho and would buy more if they were reasonable. I don't mind high prices on a place like this but I do mind exhorbitant prices. I did buy formal pictures last time so they couldn't have been that expensive cause I'm a cheapskate. But I probably will not be able to this time. Any extra cash I have will go for my Son's experience.

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yup ive done it! stolen from cruise ships....im sooo baaad.. lol
and guess what, ive stolen from hotels too!
im glad u guys dont steal things. good for u! *gives u all a pat on the back*
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After just coming back from a Carnival Cruise and having pictures taken from the staff, I find it hard to believe people are stealing. Each picture had a "security tag" on it and was often set off by patrons trying to go the other way. Ding Ding Ding; you can't take it with you.
But, I have to admit, I taken a towel here and there. Bad boy.
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Why would anyone want to steal ship towels . I can only guess its to dry the dog when you get back home, you would not want them in your bathroom
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Quite honestly, it was to wrap up a bottle of liquor that I had purchased and rolled it into the towel for the trip home. Makes for great packing material!
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Quite honestly, it was to wrap up a bottle of liquor that I had purchased and rolled it into the towel for the trip home. Makes for great packing material!
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I would never condone stealing in any way shape or form.

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Fact is they sell cruises to people that cannot really afford the full cruise experience.

So they invite their own "thieves" or "smugglers" on board when they sell the cruise at the prices they do.

You invite scum, you get a scummy reation or action.

Sorry its a basic problem in cruising today, show it or sell it cheap, and let them ignore the real cost in add ons for the experience.

And they also steal the experience from those around them, by being scum.

Only scum would steal a picture or anything else,,,,lock up your cabin as they are on board.

so you are saying because i can not afford the full experience of a cruise I am scumm?
I am retired Army with three kids and still working as a medical equipment specialist. MY wife own her own business as a cosmetologist. We think this statment is very insulting. We have seen people pretty well off stealing more then those that are not. Heck while working as a security guard at a Kmart I cought a Judges Wife stealing.
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BTW, this is the scene from Seinfeld that explains "shrinkage". One of the better moments from the series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUNNKzj_Nc
That is my favorite episode of all time from the series. The revenge at the end with the eggs is priceless. I love it!!
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Fact is they sell cruises to people that cannot really afford the full cruise experience.

So they invite their own "thieves" or "smugglers" on board when they sell the cruise at the prices they do.

You invite scum, you get a scummy reation or action.

Sorry its a basic problem in cruising today, show it or sell it cheap, and let them ignore the real cost in add ons for the experience.

And they also steal the experience from those around them, by being scum.

Only scum would steal a picture or anything else,,,,lock up your cabin as they are on board.

so you are saying because i can not afford the full experience of a cruise I am scumm?
I am retired Army with three kids and still working as a medical equipment specialist. MY wife own her own business as a cosmetologist. We think this statment is very insulting. We have seen people pretty well off stealing more then those that are not. Heck while working as a security guard at a Kmart I cought a Judges Wife stealing.

How you interpret my view is up to you, did I call you scumm,,no
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Well, DavB, as you pointed out in another post, the world is not black and white. There are varying shades of grey. Most people do "steal" to some extent but most everyone draws the line somewhere.

While I may call the wife at home on company time (which my company does not mind therefore it is not stealing) or walk out with a ream of company paper for persoanl use, I would not stick a gun in grannies face and take her wallet.

I really have no problem with people sneaking booze on a cruise. It has no impact on me and is a small infraction, so why should I care? However, it is against the rules so if they are caught they better be ready to pay the price. Taking photos is another matter. There are people who make a living on taking and selling those photos. You are not stealing from a nameless, facelss company but individuals. I draw the line at things like that.
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After just coming back from a Carnival Cruise and having pictures taken from the staff, I find it hard to believe people are stealing. Each picture had a "security tag" on it and was often set off by patrons trying to go the other way. Ding Ding Ding; you can't take it with you.
But, I have to admit, I taken a towel here and there. Bad boy.
When I was on my 12 day Alaskan cruise on Celebrity Infinity. I saw an older lady (about 60 years old) put a photo under her coat and try to sneak it out of the photo area. Yes, the alarm went off and she was caught. At that point she pretended not to realize she couldn't remove the photo from the area. BTW I have never seen this happen on the 4 Carnival cruises I have been on. Just Celebrity.
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I know some very wealthy millionaires that I would not be caught with in a store because they steal, so all classes of people do it. It amazes me to see the things that are sold on EBay like the silverware, napkins, linen etc. you know these people have stolen them because you sure can't buy them in the gift shops or through the cruise lines. When people steal it does affect all of us by higher prices and costs.
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When I was on my Celebrity cruise to Mexico there was a young man that got caught stealing an expensive piece of cut crystal figurine. Well they were kick off the ship in PV, but what got me was how mad the father was for the cruise line kicking them off instead of letting the boy just stay in their room. Another thing that surprised me was how mad the father was at the son for not stealing the item, but getting caught. That little crystal figurine sure cost that family a lot because the son was arrested (I watched the police take him off the ship and I also saw him put the item in his pant pockets).
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You may not have said it outright, but that is what you are implying. You are implying that anyone who travels on a line where the costs are cheaper then other lines are the scum of the cruise industry.

I do have to ask, what is the "Full Cruise Experience"?
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Paul, what point was the person above you making, read their three posts and ehhh,,,not sure
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Paul, what point was the person above you making, read their three posts and ehhh,,,not sure
The point the other person was making is that people with "money" can be cheaper then people on a "shoestring" budget. The fact the Celebrity is a "Premuim Cruiseline" means nothing. Sure the guests may have spent more "money" on the "Full Cruise Experience" but there are still crooks and thiefs in the group. The money these people use are credit cards.

In fact I have seen people who put up the "illusion of wealth." These people don't own anything and are looking for anything they can get for free or on credit. The "illusion of wealth" is a house of cards waiting to come down. Everyone was shocked about Madoff and ponzi scheme. He had mastered the illusion of wealth, but the walls came down on his house of cards. There is the type of person that would pay thousands of dollars for a cruise and then steal a photo from the photo gallery.
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I tend to agree that scummery has no boundaries. In fact,it is as likely that thievery may exist in the British Parliament or the US Congress as in a band of roving gypsies.
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I need to correct you there DavB, I can't speak for the British Parliment, but being a US citizen that is quite a political junky, I can say, not only is it likely that there is theft in the federal government, that there is a Certainty of it. The whole bunch of them, Repulocrats and Denicans are the biggest group of swindlers and scam artist in the history of earth!
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Eh, I get blamed for a lot on here, but it was actually Paul B that said that. Anyway, I feel the politicians are the cream of any society and should be respected as such as they are God fearing, honest people doing a hard job ;-)
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I agree with your solution. They do that at Disneyland. You go on a ride like Splash Mountain and they have a monitor you take a look at the picture and you decide if you want it. They also give everyone a card where you go to a web site and see all the pics the official photographer takes. Then you can order what you want.

But maybe the cruise lines are depending on impulse buying. It is hard not to buy a pic when you have it in your hand.
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Just got off the Poesia. The girl that runs one of the shops was telling me that guests steal the tester bottles of perfume. I know that people (women) use the testers especially on gala nights but to outright take the whole bottle is really something else. They also take the lipsticks, nail polish etc. Guess being at sea doesn't make one a "lady".
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i don't really agree with that. the only reason i am able to go on my first cruise is because i got a low rate on it but that doesn't mean im scum. people that spends thousands on their tickets are just as likely to steal. its not the amount of money that someone has that makes them a thief, its their morals.
I couldn't agree more! Look at Winona Rider...she's famous and get's caught stealing ALL OF THE TIME!!
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