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Old December 17th, 2008, 06:44 PM
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Hi katlady.

I am from the USA...my beautiful wife is English.

I always find the "look" amusing I remember us being on the Summit a couple years ago and a lady who always gave us the "look" when going to dinner. She would always pull her top up enough to cover her nose and give all smokers "the LOOK" when passing the smoking tables. I never took offense because I thought her mentally challenged. Why? As a lot of cruisers will know, on the Millie Class Ships directly outside the entrances to the dining room is a bar (Martini). Some cruisers would usually gather there awaiting the Dining room to open. Port side smoking - Starboard Side non-smoking. Other than her being mentally challenged, I can think of no other reason for her to come through the smoking area every night when she could have just as easily accessed the dining room via the non smoking area. Just one of many things I have noticed about some non smokers in smoking areas voluntarily. I must stress that the majority of non smokers are not like that lady. However, some non smokers feel they MUST make a statement of some type. Why???

Something I said earlier makes me want to ask ----- Why do a lot of cruisers get to the dining room doors 10 to 15 minutes before opening and just stand there milling around? Plenty of chairs/tables available to sit and relax but they have their nose to the door waiting Oh well, good for us because it guarantees us a place to sit and relax before dinner.
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Hi katlady.

I am from the USA...my beautiful wife is English.

I always find the "look" amusing I remember us being on the Summit a couple years ago and a lady who always gave us the "look" when going to dinner. She would always pull her top up enough to cover her nose and give all smokers "the LOOK" when passing the smoking tables. I never took offense because I thought her mentally challenged. Why? As a lot of cruisers will know, on the Millie Class Ships directly outside the entrances to the dining room is a bar (Martini). Some cruisers would usually gather there awaiting the Dining room to open. Port side smoking - Starboard Side non-smoking. Other than her being mentally challenged, I can think of no other reason for her to come through the smoking area every night when she could have just as easily accessed the dining room via the non smoking area. Just one of many things I have noticed about some non smokers in smoking areas voluntarily. I must stress that the majority of non smokers are not like that lady. However, some non smokers feel they MUST make a statement of some type. Why???

Something I said earlier makes me want to ask ----- Why do a lot of cruisers get to the dining room doors 10 to 15 minutes before opening and just stand there milling around? Plenty of chairs/tables available to sit and relax but they have their nose to the door waiting Oh well, good for us because it guarantees us a place to sit and relax before dinner.
Some people just enjoy being mad. Your wife is English well have the mystery is solved.
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Something I said earlier makes me want to ask ----- Why do a lot of cruisers get to the dining room doors 10 to 15 minutes before opening and just stand there milling around? Plenty of chairs/tables available to sit and relax but they have their nose to the door waiting Oh well, good for us because it guarantees us a place to sit and relax before dinner.
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The "getting-to-the-dining-room-early-syndrome" has always mystified us also. Like, you do have a reservation a.k.a. table#. They will NOT run out of food. I think it's a "thing " with some people-gotta be first! The problem is, handicapped people arrive by elevator and can't even get off because the area outside the dining room is jam packed with the over-anxious, over-eaters. Some people simply like to line up
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Hi jacdenv24

I think that you are right.....gotta be first syndrome. I had not thought about the problem that creates for fellow cruisers, especially handicapped cruisers, coming off the Elevators.

Knowing the configuration of the Millie class ships and if we ever sail one again, I will sit near the exit (Authorized Smoking Area) from the bar (deck 5) to the dining room and blow smoke toward the herd to thin them out. Of course I am kidding
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What an education! This is the first I've heard about keeping the balcony doors shut. Our doors did not need to be held open by bungee cords - they stayed open when you opened them. There was not a sign anywhere about keeping them closed.

And being a first time cruiser, I read every little paper I could find because it was all so new and exciting. Didn't read a THING about keeping the doors shut. Hmmmmm...

So we too were guilty of enjoying some fresh air a few times. Never left them open when we weren't there, but certainly opened them now and then.
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I assure you the only reason for keeping the balcony doors closed is for the A/C-Heat systems. There is no way those balcony doors and windows can help keep the ship from sinking. I know that the water pressures imposed on those panels would be so great there is little one could do to prevent the water from having its way. I do not think there is much in the way of water-tight integrity engineered into these ships. At least not what I have seen in U.S. Navy ships anyway.

Enjoy the fresh air is what I say.
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We are so NOT in the Navy!
But, the balcony cabins are so high above the water line that if I need to worry about them withstanding the kind of water pressure that the ocean can bring to bear, it's time to say my final prayers anyway!
That said, I do not want somebody's lit cigarette or other "stuff" blowing into my cabin. I smoke, but some people just don't bother with common sense.
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Good point Marty. If we leave ours open it is just slightly and only when we are there. Although during the Alaska trip it stay open all night...I just loved that fresh air coming in. It was great. And at least on this trip, no debris.
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"We are so NOT in the Navy!
But, the balcony cabins are so high above the water line that if I need to worry about them withstanding the kind of water pressure that the ocean can bring to bear"

Wish that was true, if the ship lists to one side in a storm etc the last thing you want are open balcony doors. How many degrees does a ship have to list, to then pour water through the "high up" balcony door?

Not a lot in a lot of seas, and we all dont just sail in the Carib in good weather
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Looking at deck plans, a ship would have to list severely for the water level to reach the balconies. I am NOT in favor of leaving them open, but most of the newer ships would have to encounter a rogue wave or be on the verge of capsizing before this would be an issue. And, no, not everyone sails the usually calm Caribbean....including me.
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Well....generally a ship listing to about 45 degreess is in serious danger. But there are too many varibles to discuss this properly here. I personally think these ships are super top heavy and cannot venture very near any really bad weather. But I have no real knowledge of the design of these ships so I really shouldn't say.

I will say this though however; if a ship lists to about 90 degrees to get water to the balcony doors, we will not have to worry about the smokers as the water should douse those stoggies huh??!!

Happy New Year everyone!
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Well....generally a ship listing to about 45 degreess is in serious danger. But there are too many varibles to discuss this properly here. I personally think these ships are super top heavy and cannot venture very near any really bad weather. But I have no real knowledge of the design of these ships so I really shouldn't say.

I will say this though however; if a ship lists to about 90 degrees to get water to the balcony doors, we will not have to worry about the smokers as the water should douse those stoggies huh??!!

Happy New Year everyone!
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I dont actually mind the smell of the smoke that much, it's its effect on my health that is the hard part. I have asthma, and while I may not mind sitting near smoking people, I HAVE TO RUN when I smell smoke because if not, I will be sick in about 24 hours, coughing, ubale to breathe and I usually end up with bronchitis, eventually miss a few days' work, etc.

As for smokers' "rights," they have no rights. You are protected if someone treats you differently because of your race, age, color (yes that is a different legal category from race), religion, national origin, in some places sex, sexual orientation, even if you are overweight or unattractive, but smokers, have no rights to any kind of equal treatment.

Nonsmokers, however, are forced to suffer because of the inconsiderate habits or just plan meanness of smokers. They ignore no smoking signs, they smoke around kids, other people, animals. I'm sorry about their addictions, really I am, but it should not be my problem as well and as long as they keep on smoking, it is.

Look at the roadways littered with cigarette butts. I can't go to outdoor dining areas, beaches or anywhere smoking is supposedly banned because smokers ignore the rules and willfully poison my lungs. I don't care if they want to posion their own, but must they poison mine as well?

They all think they are being considerate smokers, too, but they aren't. Those self professed considerate smokers walk 3 feet from you and think that makes it all OK. Um, yeah, sure.

Why should the public areas I love to visit be off limits to me because smokers and their highly and immediatley intrusive habit? God help you if you ask a smoker to put it out. Even if they are in a clearly marked non-smoking area, they act like you asked them to change religion or submit to a waterboarding or something. Pardon me for wanting to breathe clean air. I am so selfish.

When I go on cruises I miss out on a lot bcs I simply can't risk breathing smoke. Even places that are designated nonsmoking are often filled with smoke so while it is not fair, it is what it is. I just wanted some smokers to know how much their behavior really does adversely affect others. I am not some hypersensitive person. Like I said, I don't even mind the smell THAT much, it's the effect it has that does me in. Maybe they already know how their behavior makes others sick, and are just mean b@$+@rds who dont care. They'll have atshma in hell and have to work in a smoke filled enviroment.

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firehoss -

What did you mean by, ...no matter who is in them... Do you think that smokers are second-class citizens who should be banned from all of society?

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"As for smokers' "rights," they have no rights"

Sorry, but I do, until some either privately, ie the ship says NO Smoking in this place, or the country says you cant smoke here and says NO Smoking then I have the right to smoke in places that are not deemed as NON Smoking.

I am not asking to smoke in designated non smoking areas, I just reserve the right to smoke in the places that have not been deemed as such.

Sorry this may seem harsh, but not my problem, I obey the rules but cannot take into account how others may feel when I smoke in places that by local rule or law that I am allowed too.

AS for "just mean b@$+@rds who dont care. They'll have atshma in hell and have to work in a smoke filled enviroment"

mmm, we are people too, and I do care

Put it this way, there are more places you can be that I cant smoke, than the places I can smoke that you may happen to find yourself in. Given the restricted areas I can smoke in, why are you in there and complaining?
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Maybe some enterprising cruise line will begin an all smoking cruise line.

In this way, the non-smokers can have their ships to themselves and the smokers can have theirs with no one casting dispersions on them as to being second class citizens. I am willing to bet that all smoking cruises will be much more fun.

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