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Okay I disagree: the ship was Costa Magcia the cruise was from Jan. 2-8th, 2006 a bartender was fired or serving alcohol to 15 year old girl from Ireland. Since the girl is a minor her name is not available.
, I think we can agree that the only way a bartender will get fired for
serving an underage cruiser is if the kid subsequently jumps off the ship!

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While we always take late seating, situations such as described by the OP happen all the time in restaurants. It's not the kids, it's the parents who want to enjoy adult time and forget they are parents. I was having brunch at a pancake house once - the table next to us had a fairly large family group. On small boy kept wailing "mommy, mommy, mommy" constantly - mommy was much too busy chatting with everyone else to care. It was getting way annoying. I finally turned around and snarled "excuse me, MOMMY!" She seemed shocked. I asked "why is it that everyone in this restaurant can hear your child but YOU?"

Another time, on a cruise, I was at the pool - the woman next to me had two boys, maybe 7-9 years of age. After downing several "virgin" frozen drinks, they were still bored and complained that there were too many adults in the hot tub for them to play. "Well, then" she advised "just go jump in and splash around a alot and they'll move." I gave her my best school teacher glare, but was relaxing and didn't feel like getting into it. She seemed quite proud that they were now out of her hair.

It's really all about the parents. My sister has five grandchildren under the age of 7 - you can take them anywhere. Last Christmas, they were put at a "kids' table" just off the dining room. They ate without a peep and then politely asked to leave the table. They were told yes, but they had to sit quietly in the family room and read (or look at picture books) until everyone else had finished eating. Granted, they are being raised by three teachers and an ex-Marine, but . . . . My grandchildren, alas, not so much.
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Okay I disagree: the ship was Costa Magcia the cruise was from Jan. 2-8th, 2006 a bartender was fired or serving alcohol to 15 year old girl from Ireland. Since the girl is a minor her name is not available.
, I think we can agree that the only way a bartender will get fired for
serving an underage cruiser is if the kid subsequently jumps off the ship!

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Hey, it still counts. Because, if you were a bartender on board wouldn't you be worried that the underage person you served would do the same thing? I'm sure this happening has impacted the way the waiters and bartenders on board view serving underage kids. Also the cruise lines would be concerned, because in an example like that they are open to law suits and very bad PR impacting future sales.
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Of course,Richstacy is correct-the best way to avoid children in the dining room is to opt for late seating. But 8 or 8.15 is just too late for us. 7 would be perfect But there are ways around everything nowdays. I used to believe that we HAD to show for dinner or else our table mates might be offended, or miss our stimulating conversation. We tried alternative dining a couple of times on Princess a few years back and loved the change of routine. Now, the first night at dinner, we announce to our table mates that we won't be at dinnere everynight, that we enjoy a change once in a while, especially if we're late getting back to the ship.
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Aidin--We were eating on the Lido deck and if I looked up I looked I looked directly at them. Both ladies also commented on the underage kid drinking....

The father bought it, so the waiter is fine, but that was me, I would be mortified that my parent was buying me a drink..The one thing I feel uncomfortable with, even at my age, is my mother watching me drink alcohol!!!!!! I remember having a drink of the day when we went and I'd get a look from my mom as if I did something wrong!!!!!

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Marc can we do that on airplane. We just give the little buggers parachutes and tell them to pull the cord.
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Marc can we do that on airplane. We just give the little buggers parachutes and tell them to pull the cord.
Do You HAVE TO tell them about rip cord?
Hey that is the exact same thing my hubby said.
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The cruise line would get in big trouble if they served an underage kid.
Not so, Katlady. The reason "underage" drinking is such a hot topic is because the cruise line can't get in big trouble for it. On the high seas, it is perfectly legal.

(On a side note, a parent serving his child alcohol is also legal in many states in the USA),.

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Can you give an example of the states where that is the case? I'm not saying it's not true, I've just never heard of any.
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The cruise line would get in big trouble if they served an underage kid.
Not so, Katlady. The reason "underage" drinking is such a hot topic is because the cruise line can't get in big trouble for it. On the high seas, it is perfectly legal.

(On a side note, a parent serving his child alcohol is also legal in many states in the USA),.

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Can you give an example of the states where that is the case? I'm not saying it's not true, I've just never heard of any.
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http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/i...E&action=Clear

This is a search that I set up. Just in case it does not come through, states where underaged drinking is allowed with guardian consent and/or presence (or both) are:

AK
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IL (in private residence)
LA (in private residence)
ME (in private residence)
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NJ (I can't figure out the rules for NJ)
OH
OR (in private residence)
TX
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http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/i...&Type=BAS_APIS
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As aggrevating as it is to deal with unruly children, neglect by a parent is far worse.

The worst case of neglect I have seen in our years of cruising was a 5 year old little girl that was wandering the ship ALONE at midnight EVERY NIGHT.

The first night she came into karaoke and happen to sit next to me. I asked her how old she was and she said 5. She was cute as a button (and VERY well behaved). I would see her walking all around the ship until after midnight...by herself.

The next night, she came into karaoke and came and sat by me. I asked her where her Mom was and she said in the casino. I asked who else she was there with...and she said nobody. For 7 days, I never saw a parent or adult with that child.

Several times I asked a Security guard about it and he said there was no rule about young children wandering around alone. And he was right.
The parent was breaking no "rule" according to the ship.

There were several of us karaoke "nuts" *(yes we are karaoke addicts) who "adopted" her and kept a watchful eye on her at night. We would see her up on Lido getting pizza after karaoke shut down as late as 1AM.

I did tell her that she should not ever go on any cabin floor by herself.
But Mom was in the casino....and of course children are not allowed in the casino.....so she just wandered around alone.

That is proof positive that just because someone CAN have a child...it does not mean they SHOULD.
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LHP-that is wrong, wrong, wrong! My niece, who was 11 at the time, was practically insperable from my mom when we went last February. The only times she was not with us in the evening (or daytime) was when she was at Camp Carnival! She had a gaggle of girls her age to hang with during the day and they did the circut to each cabin to leave notes on what they were doing and when they'd be back to meet mom/dad for lunch or dinner!!!! More than a few times we had a gaggle of five giggly girls in the cabin giggling for no reason...They were safe in a group, but she didn't like to wander alone by herself unless she was with Camp Carnival. My mom isn't a big casino person, so she would get a chance to drop a few bucks when Jamie and I would go wandering wherever we felt like wandering (if she didn't go to Camp Carnival).

I feel for that little girl being up at 1am and no mother in sight. Those are the children that get preyed on by crewmembers who have no morals or are predators. You'd like to think the crew wouldn't do anything wrong, but sadly this world isn't perfect...
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Somtimes it's better to just get another table at the other end of the dinning room.
Babies cry, toddlers fuss, young children play, and ofcourse there are adults.
There are people that pick there nose, belch, eat with there hands and or get drunk.
You may be at a table with a couple that are fighting and or totally obnoxious, how about the sleezy gal wearing an inaproperate dress and is eye-balling your husband or vise versa.
You may end up at a table that contains people that are not of your generation or medically challenged.
NO PROBLEM, just move after the first night.
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I have never been bothered much by Kids in a restaurant, until they go OTT. I dont mind kids being kids, but when they overdo the horseplay and bring other peoples safety in doubt, then I act. I go directly to the parents, speak sofetly and outline my objections about their awful kids.
I then report them to the Maitre D', and if the situation does not improve I go to the hotel director.
Its the poor wait staff who also suffer. The are trying to be nice being attentive and having spoken to the Waiters, the kids are so demanding, their parents more so, and then the parents "Stiff" the waiters by not tipping for the kids. I have heard this story so much.
I am also amazed by kids dining habits. Some cannot hold a knife or fork correctly. Some dont know how to use a napkin correctly. Many talk with their mouth full, and many dont know how to drink from a glass correctly. It is sad that so many of the kids have no dining etqiutte !!
The old saying..."Children should be seen, and not heard"... applies !
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My suggestion is that you eat late dinner on a non family ship.

I actually tell my kids - They should SPEAK UP and give their opinions, say what they think, say what they want. - What a concept, treat kids like people and then they act like people!
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I'm from a family of 9 children and I can tell you first hand that that sort of thing would "NEVER" have happened to us. Going out was a special treat and we knew that if we acted up, that would be taken away. Dad, being an ex Marine was stern but alot of fun. But, not when it came to making a rukus or acting out. Oh, no no no, that will not be tolerated.

I'm from a generation where mom and dad gave spanks to remind you of things you should not have done, and it worked!!!!! Try that today and you're brought up on charges.
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Well, I already know my kid is bad as heck so I just wouldn't take her into a formal dining situation. We would just stick to the buffet...

My rule on kids and dining---if we're in a place where the level of conversation is louder than my kid acting up (Applebees, Chilis, etc.) then don't give me sour looks when my "angel" starts screaming and crawling under the table...
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As aggrevating as it is to deal with unruly children, neglect by a parent is far worse.

The worst case of neglect I have seen in our years of cruising was a 5 year old little girl that was wandering the ship ALONE at midnight EVERY NIGHT.

The first night she came into karaoke and happen to sit next to me. I asked her how old she was and she said 5. She was cute as a button (and VERY well behaved). I would see her walking all around the ship until after midnight...by herself.

The next night, she came into karaoke and came and sat by me. I asked her where her Mom was and she said in the casino. I asked who else she was there with...and she said nobody. For 7 days, I never saw a parent or adult with that child.

Several times I asked a Security guard about it and he said there was no rule about young children wandering around alone. And he was right.
The parent was breaking no "rule" according to the ship.

There were several of us karaoke "nuts" *(yes we are karaoke addicts) who "adopted" her and kept a watchful eye on her at night. We would see her up on Lido getting pizza after karaoke shut down as late as 1AM.

I did tell her that she should not ever go on any cabin floor by herself.
But Mom was in the casino....and of course children are not allowed in the casino.....so she just wandered around alone.

That is proof positive that just because someone CAN have a child...it does not mean they SHOULD.
Wow that is SO stupid and DANGEROUS of her parent(s). She could have easily been abducted and who knows what else...but good for you, for "adopting" her.
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I actually tell my kids - They should SPEAK UP and give their opinions, say what they think, say what they want. -
That is why many Kids are so rude and have strong opinions. Their Parents opinions. Children / Kids / bratz, whatever one wishes to call them, should behave like people and not animals.
Its always the parents fault. Upbringing is everything. Just look at the grooming of the kids, they way they hold a knife and fork, and they way they order. Thats how you get a first impression. Secondly, its what words come out of their mouths. Instead of ordering " I Want", do they say " I would like to order "....
Manners, being polite and having respect IS the way to treat children. If they dont have manners, if they are not polite, if they constantly SPEAK UP, and if they express the strong opinions of their parents in public, then they should not be on a cruise ruining everyones elses vacation.
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I did tell her that she should not ever go on any cabin floor by herself.
But Mom was in the casino....and of course children are not allowed in the casino.....so she just wandered around alone.

That is proof positive that just because someone CAN have a child...it does not mean they SHOULD.
Poor thing. Thank God she had you nice people to keep a watchful eye on her.

Her "parents," in my humble opinion, should be tossed overboard. They're worthless. That may sound harsh, but I'm not kidding one bit. No smileys in this post.

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That is why many Kids are so rude and have strong opinions. Their Parents opinions. Children / Kids / bratz, whatever one wishes to call them, should behave like people and not animals.
The problem here is that the kids are told to express their opinions, but are provided with little to no guidance on how and when to do so. Yes, we may want certain things, but there is a time and place to ask for them. There is a way to ask for them ... a procedure to follow in some cases. The kids are not taught this and because in many cases they are still too young and immature to know any better, you get kids being very demanding and plain obnoxious. This can occur on a cruise ship or at school ... makes no difference.

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My rule on kids and dining---if we're in a place where the level of conversation is louder than my kid acting up (Applebees, Chilis, etc.) then don't give me sour looks when my "angel" starts screaming and crawling under the table...
And this, in my opinion, is an excellent rule of thumb. Depends on the cruise ship and on the dining venue. If one is on RCI or Carnival on a cruise where there are a lot of children onboard, you're going to have a very loud decibel level in the dining room, especially during early seating. Now, can anyone truly call that environment "formal" dining? I think not, and I think it's fine to bring your kids there. If they decide to act out, you try to quiet them, but if they can't be quieted ... oh, well ... they'll just blend in with the other twelve toddlers who are screaming at the moment.

I think the problem is that many people consider a cruise ship dining room "formal dining" and thus no place for children. I would disagree with that in some cases. Now, if I go on a luxury cruise, or a primarily adult cruise on Holland America, yes, then maybe I would say the "formal" dining room is no place for a screaming child. But if I go on a main stream cruise line, where there are loads of kids in the dining room, and many of them are speaking in their "outside" voices, then I would truly question whether one can categorize that dining venue as "formal" dining and thus not a place for children.

I think it all depends on the venue as to whether it is "unacceptable" to have young kids there ... yes, young kids who may, God forbid, start to scream or cry. In most cases, I don't consider a cruise ship dining room to be any different than the local Outback or Applebees, and because of that, I have to honestly say that a screaming child should be no problem there. But if I decide to part with the $20 or so bucks and dine in the premium restaurant, a place that specifically is billed as more "elegant," then I would have to say that one table full of screaming kids would definitely ruin the evening for me and annoy me considerably.

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Marc can we do that on airplane. We just give the little buggers parachutes and tell them to pull the cord.
Do You HAVE TO tell them about rip cord?
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I actually tell my kids - They should SPEAK UP and give their opinions, say what they think, say what they want. - What a concept, treat kids like people and then they act like people!


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"My suggestion is that you eat late dinner on a non family ship.

I actually tell my kids - They should SPEAK UP and give their opinions, say what they think, say what they want. - What a concept, treat kids like people and then they act like people!"

Did someone actually say the above Unbelievable

Nope, sorry its more like...treat kids like people and then they act like people still to grow into adults, ie no sense, and with only a childs sense or knowledge in conversation. You might want to hear it,,,I dont
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Dayvid, so good to have you back. I could not agree with you more. Treat children like children, not like little adults. Their opinion should be heard in your home perhaps, but they should not enter into the conversation of adults at a table with folks who really do not want to hear it. We spend a great deal of money to go on a cruise and perhaps meet new people. I do not want to meet new children. Blast me if you would like, I do love children, however when parents treat little johnnie as if he is a miniture adult, they are not doing him any favors.
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My son is now 19, and my step daughter 18. We are proud to have them join us, as both were raised early on as "only children". They were not perfect kids, and I think every parent can share one or two hellish experiences with their kids acting like rug-rats.

Personally, if I had to do it all over again (or maybe when I'm a grandfather) Disney would be the best option, it seems more kid-friendly. The older I get, the more impatient I become and forget that just 15-years ago, I myself had a 5-year old.

I believe that children should be heard, and seen. For that matter, a 5-year old or a 105 year old has something to say, and it wouldn't hurt for us to exercise more tolerance (and love) and listen...maybe? I believe that as older adults we forget what it was like when our children were that age, or heaven forbid, we were too! :o Nothing worse than a crotchety, cranky soul scowling at a child who isn't yet touched by the crazy, harried and harsh world we live in (at times). No, children are not for everyone, but it's not their fault.

My vote: If you're unhappy with your table mates, move...rather than attempt being pleasant and exchaging kind words, ask the Maitre'D to move you.
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Triton, you have many good points. I personally would not glare at the child, for goodness sakes they are only doing what they do. It is the parent that I would glare at. You do bring up a pet peeve of mine however and this does not just apply to children. WHY SHOULD I MOVE?

In our society we have assumed this position that if someone (usually an adult) acts a fool, we should just move, or turn our backs. Let them do what they want. I wonder why this is? When did it become acceptable for the one who is disruptive to not be called out?
Maybe I am getting cranky, but you see I am only 47, and children? I supervise a childhood development center with 127 of the tykes. So I am not just bent on hurting families with small children. It is just that I was once a giant pain in the A** when I was a kid. I was however the one led from the table, not those other adults that were present.
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I so concur, Jeff!

I also don't believe in staring at the child. Instead, call him over and tell him in a soft but malevolent voice, "If you don't sit down and be quiet, the wicked witch sitting on my right will have you for dinner."

Works every time!

C'mon already, I'm only kidding!!!!

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Too true! Hey, the Wicked Witch worked for me (along with those ugly monkeys).

Rev, we're close in age. I, too, was the big one who was led away from the table...what's interesting is that I always loved being around adults. I had not many friends my own age, they were always my parents friends or associates. I could be in their library or living room and converse with them about whatever they were speaking about...that, or sit at the piano (at my mother's strong suggestion) and play.

I hear you about why should we move? I guess we should exercise common sense in situations like this. Perhaps it's not appropriate to always be the one to move...and then, it's not appropriate to always be the one "confronting".

YES, the parents should be looked at! Oh yes...
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The only problem is I would rather be with unruly children, than to feel the wrath of the witch.
I know children who can converse like an adult, but that does not mean that they are. We too often treat them as such and it can have a negative impact on them and the whole family. (Did I mention I am a therapist?)
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