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Old May 28th, 2009, 06:23 PM
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When I travel on business , I find the drinks/beer are very expensive in
restaurants , hotels and bars.

I normally about 8 $cdn for a pint of beer . I can buy the same amount
in the liquor store for 4 $cdn .
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Old May 31st, 2009, 04:49 PM
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Maybe the problem is the lines base their prices on what is seen as an acceptable rate given local procurement prices and tax levels in America?

But the reality is they also sail in Europe, where they can buy stock and refresh in ports at less cost, less tax etc etc than they do back home.

So given my last cruise we had at least 90% of the people on the ship coming from Spain, UK, Germany, France etc with the rest made up of American or Canadian. The audience expectation was differnet as the bottom line is unless your Scandavian (huge tax rates on booze and cigs), we as ordinary Europeans dont expect to pay those prices even in the best places.

So the line sails here all summer, they pay cheap for the product with little or no tax on the product and then they sell it on at a premium higher than they would get back in the states.

Let me guess, someone will argue that they go into Europe or elsewhere in the world with eveything they need for 6 months bought and paid for in America and at their tax rates for food and drink,,,,nope they dont
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Old June 1st, 2009, 11:22 AM
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I usually spend between $6-8 for a glass of wine at a restaurant here in the SF Bay...(not including the gratuity).

I haven't sailed Royal (only =X= and Princess) and didn't notice the wine prices to be out of the ordinary...but the Ridel glasses they push? Please-you can pick up twice as much at Cosco for 1/4 of the price!
Well you made me wonder is a glass of wine really that much in San Francisco? So I checked my favorite restaurant "The Stinking Rose." Holy cow you are right the cheapest bottle of wine is $19 or $7 per glass and they charge a $15 corkage fee. I wonder if that is for thier bottles or bottle taken into the restuarant? The nicer wines are only available by the bottle at $39 to $59. When did things get so expensive?
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It has been my understanding that all cruise lines buy their liquor at very low prices in ports where there are no sales taxes on it. There is no sales tax on anything sold on a ship that is not in port. (That is why gift shops close when ships are in port -- tax avoidance).

What we are seeing here is a major shift in revenue sources for mass market lines. In the past, the main revenue source was the fare. Now, the main source has become drinks and such.
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I don't think their main sorce of income was ever just the cruise fare. Even now, the fare doesn't cover the cost of a cruiser, they make it up with photo's, excursions, gambling and beverage sales.
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Well, Donna, perhaps only a few of us old guys remember the days before June, 2001, when passengers could BYOB on RCI openly from any port, our could buy liquor in the ships' store by the bottle for their rooms at the lowest prices on the planet. Sure, we bought some drinks from the ship -- just not as many. Back then and before, liquor by the drink sales onboard made a profit, sure, but were not the massive profit center they are today. And pre-June, 2001, fares weren't very high, either.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 04:47 PM
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Donna, I thank you. To have a moderator, come cruise expert, and more importantly a person that I respect confirm my thought process on cruise costings,,,,wow
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Hi Babe,
I actually do remember those days. They also sold bottles in the gift shop onboard that you could take back to your room...
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And at no higher fares (inflation adjusted). Those were the "good old days" and I wish they would return. Maybe then I could afford to cruise frequently again, instead of being locked in between astronomical initial fares on all inclusive lines and astronomical end-of-cruise bills.
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And at no higher fares (inflation adjusted). Those were the "good old days" and I wish they would return. Maybe then I could afford to cruise frequently again, instead of being locked in between astronomical initial fares on all inclusive lines and astronomical end-of-cruise bills.
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I know I'm getting in on this a bit late. We just returned from a wonderful 5 day trip to Las Vegas. I had an offer I coiuldn't refuse and we took it. While we were there we did a bit of walking one day (over 11 miles) taking our time and enjoying the sights. It was hot (when in Vegas it is always hot) and we stopped in a bar in one of the Casinos. The price of 2 Coors light with an appropriate tip was $15.00. If we had been gambling of course the drinks would have been free. Anyway my point is: the alcohol on a cruise ship is not out of line from what you pay on land. Sure, your neighborhood bar is a bit cheaper but go to a fine dining place or upscale bar with entertainment and the prices are very close. So, for me, cruise alcohol, even though a bit high is still a good deal
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"The price of 2 Coors light with an appropriate tip was $15.00. If we had been gambling of course the drinks would have been free"

Problem is chief you called it right and towards my opinion, for that place you visited or other similar establishments if you don’t gamble then you pay up front for the "luxury" of sitting there and being in that place.

They don’t make their money on extras, they make it off gambling.

It costs nothing to walk into a casino, but if you don’t play, you don’t get the benefits.

Ships seem to be different, give it cheap, give all the benefits up front from room to food and HOPE we can make up the price difference. Casinos don’t do that, don’t play you pay.
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Hi David,
They also make a lot of the "extras" selling the photo's, thats big money for the cruiseline, along with excursions.
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I was on a cruise thru the Med in 1977. They didn't allow the purchase of
alcohol ashore and them drink it in your cabin.
Confiscated alcohol was given to the crew for them to take home
or give to the shore workers (commonly called a bribe)
The fare ( cruise + airfare) was cheap for the time. They really
hit you with the cost of drinks , wine and excursions.
A typical beer was $5( 70's USD) , an excursion was $100 (70's USD).
The cost today would be $15 USD for the beer and $500 USD for the
tour.
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Well, I personally know that RCI allowed this in the '90s up until June, 2001, when RCI abruptly changed its policy to no carry on liquor or beer at any port. However, other lines did prohibit carry-on. This, and RCI's inexpensive (bottle store) was a big attraction for RCI. But no more.
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