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Old March 1st, 2010, 07:30 PM
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I'm not a lawyer. To me an argument is back and forth. Not a bunch of people who all state their opinions. Perhaps by definition we are arguing now? I prefer to agree to disagree.

I work with smokers and we are forever at each others throats. Our boss let's them smoke in a certain area and they think they can smoke where ever they want. But by local ordinance they are not allow to smoke on the property at all. I don't mind if they stay in the areas that have been set aside. But as I have to tell them when they overstep, push comes to shove I will win. They know it so they retreat back to the area. This has been going on for a few years now. It gets so old. They should know by now. One of these days I'll just get mad and file a grievance and then it's over and there will be no smoking and people will really be upset. Will that be my fault????
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Hello all, the smoking issue will never go away. I don't smoke I stopped many years ago. My wife does smoke, and we do not go on cruise lines that do not allow smoking in the casino or on your own balcony. I recommend that the people bothered by smoke use these cruise lines, and leave the few left with reasonable smoking rules alone. If the rules on all ships become to difficult , cruising will no longer be fun for her and our cruising days will be over. In addition to shopping she spends a lot of time in the casino can the cruise lines do without the extra revenue? I wonder? Does any one remember the Carnival paradise, she was a non smoking ship for a short while. Lost money, and now has the same rules as all Carnival ships. Mike
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Well said, I cant post anymore than that, as I'm nipping out for a smoke in the place at home I'm allowed too
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I just wanted to let you guys know my opinion on this has changed since my last HAL cruise. We had a veranda and a neighbor who chain smoked next door to us. On previous cruises we have had considerate smoking neighbors who would smoke one cigarette and then leave the air clean. All I had to do is step back into my room fro 10 minutes and allow them to smoke their cigarette. This was not true this cruise, no matter when we stepped out on our blacony. it seemed to me this man must have stayed on his balocny smoking for most of the time.

I have learned HAL is attracting formerly Celebrity cruisers who are heavy smokers, because of Celebrity's new guidelines. HAL, a line, that formerly had maybe 20% smokers, now has a much higher smoker rate.

I have been told the same thing has happened to Princess, that RCI smokers have defected to Princess, so, bottom line, I do no think I am in a hurry to cruise either line again now.
I just booked a Celebrity cruise because of the last cruise I had with HAL.
Too much smoking on balconies bothered me. So, easy peasy, book with another line that doesn't allow it.
It is too bad since we love Holland America but this is one thing that can be overwhelming if you don't smoke.
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I just booked a Celebrity cruise because of the last cruise I had with HAL.
Too much smoking on balconies bothered me. So, easy peasy, book with another line that doesn't allow it.
It is too bad since we love Holland America but this is one thing that can be overwhelming if you don't smoke.
I know, go elsewhere. However, it makes me sad, as HAL has the best food of all the mainstream lines. Of course, that will be better for me health wise I guess. (besides less smoke on Celebrity) I should not eat all that food. I also fear I won't like Princess anymore either. I almost wish Celebrity would go back to their old policy, as that would "even out" the smokers on the lines. I have never had a problem with a few smokers. On my last HAL cruise there were a high percentage of smokers, which is why there was a problem.
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I know, go elsewhere. However, it makes me sad, as HAL has the best food of all the mainstream lines. Of course, that will be better for me health wise I guess. (besides less smoke on Celebrity) I should not eat all that food. I also fear I won't like Princess anymore either. I almost wish Celebrity would go back to their old policy, as that would "even out" the smokers on the lines. I have never had a problem with a few smokers. On my last HAL cruise there were a high percentage of smokers, which is why there was a problem.
Absolutely. I was sad, as well. But, it's not worth it, in my opinion, to feel unhappy for even one second of my vacation. I believe that HAL needs to get with the program. Maybe they will someday.
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I have been down the road so many times. Princess has less smoking areas than some other lines, and the are lines that don't allow smoking in the cabin , balcony and casino. It would seem like choosing another line would solve your problem. That would solve your problem but having something to complain about is so much fun right. I am betting next it will be people in wheel chairs, or the scooters older people use. There must be something we can ban. I don't smoke but, understand that some people do, I wish for there own good they would stop, but until they do I will allow them to live in my world. Mike
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So Carlbill obviously hates smoking and smokers.
That's his right.
He stated that "Cruise Ships are the last bastion of smokers".
He is probably right.
He told us how unhealthy it is to be on a cruise ship with smokers.
He is probably right.
He told us how the cruise lines are doing nothing to control the smokers.

Yet he continues to cruise (and complain).

How smart is that?
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Having a smoking area in a bar, is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.

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Having a smoking area in a bar, is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.

I am not sure about the swimming pool, but most bars are smoking or non smoking. I don't remember a mixed one on any recent cruise.I recommend you look at the smoking rules for each line there are many now that limit smoking in many areas. Celebrity, Oceania, and Azamara to name a few. Mike
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I have a solution! When I go on my cruise, I will be 4 months pregnant, and packin' a water pistol. If I see smokers in smoke free areas, I will blast them! If they can force their nasty habits on me, whelp PSSSST!!!
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I am a realist. When I go to Europe, I expect to gulp huge amounts of second hand smoke everywhere I go. I may not like it, but I will never complain because it is the norm, accepted and expected. If you are a smoker, Europe is for you. If you are a smoker, then non-smoking areas on a cruise ARE NOT where you should go to smoke. You should not have the right to do as you choose, just as I dont have the right to eat from the cruise buffet whilst butt nekkid. Nor should I bend over and rip an el nino sized, thunderous butt clap into the face of the nearest smoker. The tremendous force of rancid emissions parting their hair and causing their chair to screech as it slides back a foot or two.
Regardless of the legality, it is possible to be disrespectful of others while staying within the confines of the law.

Okay, I so I may not pack a water pistol for the cruise, nor will I survey the buffet line while sporting a full moon, or part your hair with fart bombs, but I do wish smokers could appreciate the impact they have on those around them. I understand the fact that they are addicts and need somewhere to smoke. Give'em a deck or 2 to themselves. As for smokers who complain because the smoking areas are filled with too much smoke? Uh, yeah, your point?

Smoking is gross, unhealthy, stinks and my insurance helps pay for the cancer it causes. I have a right to be miffed.

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PS. I dont give a rat's behind if I could get more carcinogens from sucking on an exhaust pipe or whatever Mr. MD claims. You won't catch me chasing cars with puckered lips anytime soon. Sure there are plenty of ways to increase our risk of cancer, some worse than others. Does that make the lesser of the evils acceptable?

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Bellajolie I was going to give you a hard time. But I enjoyed your post to much. Fart bombs too good. Plus I think the whole point of your post is smokers have areas to smoke it and non smokers have areas that are smoke free. If each side stays in their area there should be no problem. So just as a smoker shouldn't smoke in a non smoking area. A non smoking should not walk into a smoking area and expect everyone to stop smoking. Since I'm a non smoker who doesn't care (I'm not pregnant) then I can walk anywhere on the ship and be fine.
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I have a solution! When I go on my cruise, I will be 4 months pregnant, and packin' a water pistol. If I see smokers in smoke free areas, I will blast them! If they can force their nasty habits on me, whelp PSSSST!!!
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I am a realist. When I go to Europe, I expect to gulp huge amounts of second hand smoke everywhere I go. I may not like it, but I will never complain because it is the norm, accepted and expected. If you are a smoker, Europe is for you. If you are a smoker, then non-smoking areas on a cruise ARE NOT where you should go to smoke. You should not have the right to do as you choose, just as I dont have the right to eat from the cruise buffet whilst butt nekkid. Nor should I bend over and rip an el nino sized, thunderous butt clap into the face of the nearest smoker. The tremendous force of rancid emissions parting their hair and causing their chair to screech as it slides back a foot or two.
Regardless of the legality, it is possible to be disrespectful of others while staying within the confines of the law.

Okay, I so I may not pack a water pistol for the cruise, nor will I survey the buffet line while sporting a full moon, or part your hair with fart bombs, but I do wish smokers could appreciate the impact they have on those around them. I understand the fact that they are addicts and need somewhere to smoke. Give'em a deck or 2 to themselves. As for smokers who complain because the smoking areas are filled with too much smoke? Uh, yeah, your point?

Smoking is gross, unhealthy, stinks and my insurance helps pay for the cancer it causes. I have a right to be miffed.

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PS. I dont give a rat's behind if I could get more carcinogens from sucking on an exhaust pipe or whatever Mr. MD claims. You won't catch me chasing cars with puckered lips anytime soon. Sure there are plenty of ways to increase our risk of cancer, some worse than others. Does that make the lesser of the evils acceptable?
Good point about Europe. They do however, have the restaurants inside non smoking, at least England and France does now. (back in the 90's smoking was inside restaurants too with no designated no smoking areas) I was disappointed that I could not sit outside on a sidewalk cafe on a day that was a balmy 75 degrees or so though, as everyone wants to do that in Paris, but I accepted it.

With us, it is not the fear of cancer that is the problem. It is the smoke bothers us fairly badly. It did not use too, until we had a child with asthma, and we had to avoid it because of her. (my husband's parents smoked and my father smoked-so we both grew up smelling smoke in our homes as the norm) We found after having to avoid smoke because of our daughter who would go into asthma attacks from smoke, that we seemed to have lost our "immunity" to smoke.

BTW, our daughter is bothered by any smoke, burning leaves is worse than cigarette smoke for her. When Florida had those bad fires several years ago, the smoke would waffle up to GA on some days very badly, she really had a bad time.
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It just continues to totally amaze me how vendictive, bitter and really scary how some anti smoking people can be against others just doing what they do and in where it is allowed not only by law but by individual company or line policy. Would you like me or others to disect your life, habits or addictions and see it was acceptable to us?

Advice, step back and have a look at yourself its getting really boring and you are not going to change anything as the market is still there to allow smokers to smoke on ships where allowed.

But what about the scenario and you win, no smoking anywhere on any ship. Who are you going to pick on next? Its gotta happen with people of this in other peoples face mentality

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"Interesting qualification. Smoking is the social equivalent of blasting your hotel TV in the middle of the night or passing gas in an elevator or cutting in line."

Its not by any means bud. And because you like a lot of non smokers think it is, then the poor smoker who is trying to obey the limited rules available to them today will always be an outcast in your opinion,,mm.

On your thoughts, people that blast a TV to all at all hours are scum, that's anti social as it affects all around them in a more uncontrolled way

Cutting a line, again you cannot relate that to smokers working in what is allowed by the rules. Social acceptance from all would take that as not acceptable for anyone.

Passing gas in a lift and walking out hoping no one comes in, well I imagine thats quite common and we all hope we can get out before the next person gets in

I can give you a list of things that I see non smokers do that I am concerned about even more,,want to compare?

Go into toilet, do whatever and walk out ignoring there is a basin to wash their hands in

Sneeze or cough across all around and with no thought of covering mouth or nose

Scratch "private bits" and then lift something from a buffet with the same hand

Talk at such a volume to a person two feet away from them that others 30ft away feel they they are in the conversation

Splash dive or hog the pool or hot tubs so much that no-one else feels comfortable to be in there.

I could go on and I'm sure others have theor versions of what is anti social, but smoking we do it where allowed and until that changes we are in the right,,so what do we do about the rest?

Naw, dont think about it, smokers are the easy target
Really, who cares about being socially acceptable? I'm on vacation for crying out load!
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So Truck your on vacation so for YOU anything goes, is that what I'm reading? Its your vacation, your space and to hell with the rest that just happen to be there at the same time. Is that your scentiment?

At what point in your day 2 day life does being socially acceptable to others kick in,,,or does it?
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It just continues to totally amaze me how vendictive, bitter and really scary how some anti smoking people can be against others just doing what they do
I think the point that smokers miss is that you arent just "doing what (you) do" You are doing it to others too! Did you read the quote about the asthmatic kid? Smoking is a far cry from say... tattoos on your forhead. Those are ugly, but they dont hurt me, so I could care less. I am very much a "let people be" until they start infringing on my personal space. It is like someone carrying around a cheap bottle of perfume, and each time they spray themselves squirting each and every person around them too. No, I do not want to smell like you!

Unfortunately if you think anti-smokers arent making strides, you are sadly mistaken. This link has a list of smoking laws by state, and if you scroll down by county. Remember when there was smoking on planes? Smoking vs. non in ALL restaurants? All hotels? There are even smokeless bars now! And another good site
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What !!!! What are you actually saying to me? Look its simple SMOKING is LEGAL, people are allowed to do it.

If you were complaining about people snorting lines, or pushing needles up their arms in public or on ship then I could get it. But what we do LIKE IT OR NOT is legal where we are allowed to do it.

You and others may not like it, that's your call. SO there are plenty of no-smoking ships out there, pick one, then its not a problem,,,simple.

But cough, cough, the majority of lines seeking passengers actually want my smokey old A** on board as I give them income and so do a lot like me. You want to change it, run for Congress and go up against the others there that are supported and funded by the cig industry. When you win the battle there, then the lines will take notice,,,

And yes, you just confirmed my thoughts on some non smokers that you quoted me back
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I have never smoked and never will, but I can't abide people trying to impose their will on others. If I don't like the smell of smoke (and I don't), I will go where there is none. If someone stands near me with a lit cigarette in a non-smoking area, I will let them know about it right away.

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Hey Paul,,,how you doing bud, nice to hear from you. We go back a long time and guess what, I'm still the same old self opinionated grizzly.

Hope you are well
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David, I'd love to share a dinner table with you on a cruise some day. From the subject above this one, I wouldn't be wearing the same old mothball aroma clothes.

Keep posting your opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just came off the Carnival Splendor on Sunday. I had a great cruise and enjoyed myself. Guess what!!! This wasn't an issue. The smokers on this sold out ship smoked in the areas were smoking was allowed & I never saw them smoking in a non smoking area. Likewise when I was in the sports bar watching soccer games (La Liga) I didn't pitch a fit about the smokers, because I was in thier area.

I did pitch a fit when someone tried to have staff change the chanel away from my soccer game at 4:30PM for a basketball game then didn't start until 5PM. My game was over by the time the basketball game started so get over the fact you missed some pre game show. Besides soccer is a better soccer anyway.
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Just back from the Century. Very little smoking over there. Not bothered by it since they don't allow it in cabins or on verandahs.
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I would prefer a non-smoking cruise, despite restrictions to areas on the ships, smoke travels and god forbid you like to go to the casino, you might as well light one up for yourself
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As for those who would compare complaining about smoking to prejudice against people with physical disabilities? Not even close buddy. Are you trying to say that discrimination laws should read: "we do not discriminate on the basis of age, race, color, national origin, disability, sex (gender), religion, or smoking preference" ? Apples to oranges my friend. To start I am not your buddy. My remarks are directed to the fact that some people would rather gripe than seek viable options.
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Here is my worry about smoking laws changing. They are almost done with that topic and they have moved on. At least in California they have. Guess what they moved on to "food". That's right they are now to trans fats. The vendors at the California State Fair are not allow to have an foods with trans fats. Vendors avoid trans fats at California county fairs | abc7news.com It isn't just California either Indiana also doesn't allow trans fats. Indiana State Fair bans trans fats - USATODAY.com Once you get the goverment the power to ban one thing they go after something else. Pretty soon trans fats won't be allowed on cruise ships. I say we fight this smokers you smoke I have go get a Deep-fried Oreo now.
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So Truck your on vacation so for YOU anything goes, is that what I'm reading? Its your vacation, your space and to hell with the rest that just happen to be there at the same time. Is that your scentiment?

At what point in your day 2 day life does being socially acceptable to others kick in,,,or does it?
I don't care about being socially acceptable. I am what I am and that's all that I am. I learned along time ago that the only people I need to please is my wife and me. I obey the rules, I don't smoke where I shouldn't but I couldn't give a rats behind if people like or dislike the things I do.
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i know this post has been here for quite awhile but this is the only time i was able to read it. in response to your post, i have nothing against smokers but they should be responsible and the cruise line must impose strict rules on this. if that's how the princess is then i won't consider boarding that ship especially when i'm with my kid. in any place you go, there are designated smoking area. though there are just people who does not care about others, so we are the non-smokers perish from their being inconsiderate.
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i know this post has been here for quite awhile but this is the only time i was able to read it. in response to your post, i have nothing against smokers but they should be responsible and the cruise line must impose strict rules on this. if that's how the princess is then i won't consider boarding that ship especially when i'm with my kid. in any place you go, there are designated smoking area. though there are just people who does not care about others, so we are the non-smokers perish from their being inconsiderate.
The line I bolded makes it sound like if you breathe any second hand smoke you will drop dead on the spot. I do agree that in the cases of people with respiratory disease of some type second hand smoke would be bad. But most of the time a little smoke isn't going to kill you on the spot.
I'm a non smoker and I was in the sport bar on Splendor watching a soccer game. There was quite a bit of smoke and guess what I'm still alive.

I hate it when non smokers go into a smoking area to complain about the smoke or make stupid fake coughing sounds. As a non smoker I find it irritating to be in the smoking area with other disrespectful non smokers. If you are a non smoker in a smoking area complaining about the smoke then you are a person looking to cause trouble. Stop it you are making the rest of us non smoker look bad.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 06:32 AM
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You're just a cry baby.
The term "second hand smoke" was just made up by someone who needs to get a life and mind there own business. lol
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