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John, if you're making a joke please make use of the Smilies. (I know, lots of people don't like them , but they really make what you write clearer.) !
I don't believe in ''smilies'', I rely on people hopefully understanding things without being told what to think.
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Hey fieldmouse,

Someone cut your posting from here and posted it elsewhere including your signature.
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Someone cut your posting from here and posted it elsewhere including your signature.
What? What does that mean??? (I can do simple stuff like post but some of the other things I'm not sure of) Soooo...what's up????
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What? What does that mean??? (I can do simple stuff like post but some of the other things I'm not sure of) Soooo...what's up????

It's highly amusing actually. Someone cut and pasted your post from here and there has been no end of opinions on it over there. Everyone knows what you were thinking of course and what you meant. etc etc
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It's highly amusing actually. Someone cut and pasted your post from here and there has been no end of opinions on it over there.
Well...I guess it's alright... 'cause I'm still not sure where 'elsewhere ' is.
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Snoozeman...

Of course we got to "mmet" (in interviews) his entire family including his dad. The NBA wanted him right out of high school, but his dad said "no, you're going to college." Then his dad made him go to Oklahoma State ( I think) not exactkly a top Basketball school.
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Yeah, where did they post it? That is really not allowed, it is like stealing our content - plus it would be nice for "Fieldmouse" to know someone was doing that.
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I am pleased to say that this frequent cruiser is "beloved" instead of being the "bane" of anyone....

We always leave our auto tips on and give more in person....
I have had more than one cabin steward thank me for not acting like a princess....
We respect everyone on board and treat them as such....
I had one karaoke host surprised me with an outfit from India ..it is beautiful and it fit...


We had the pleasure of sailing the Fantasy 3 times in a month last year and this gave us the opportunity to really get to know some wonderful folks.... and it was so nice to hear how excited they were to know that 'Ms Linda" is coming !!!
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Yeah, where did they post it? That is really not allowed, it is like stealing our content - plus it would be nice for "Fieldmouse" to know someone was doing that.

Going to PM you about this -
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Going to PM you about this -
O.K...thanks....
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I know this thread is a little "stale" but I wanted to add my 2 cents worth.....

I'm basically easy going and tend to go with the flow.....you live longer that way....

With that said, I also read the book, "Cruise Confidential: A Hit Below The Waterline" when it first came out. Ever since reading that book and seeing what all the crew goes thru from the first day they sign up with the cruiseline, I have a new understanding about how hard they work and why. Their lives are not the easiest during their 6 month contracts, I would have gone AWOL on the rare first day I had off, in the first port my feet landed on.

Many, if not most, are working for their families back home. I'm sure that is the only thing that drives them to "keep on" some days.

If I can make THEIR job any easier by being polite, tip additionally than what is applied to our accounts, smile at them first, and not be a PIA, then both of us will truly enjoy being on the same cruise together.

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I read that book, too, and I worked aboard five different cruise ships.

You can be sure all of the crew onboard want to be there, but when it comes to working let's be honest, yes the hours are long, but it is an easy life.

It isn't like you depend on each person you serve to tip and you are going to have bad streaks - you ALWAYS have a roof over your head, plenty of food, friends, fun and a steady paycheck (the cruise lines now give about the same amount every single cruise since tip collection is now pretty much standardized).

The hours may be long, but the life is easy - believe me.
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I read that book, too, and I worked aboard five different cruise ships.

You can be sure all of the crew onboard want to be there, but when it comes to working let's be honest, yes the hours are long, but it is an easy life.

It isn't like you depend on each person you serve to tip and you are going to have bad streaks - you ALWAYS have a roof over your head, plenty of food, friends, fun and a steady paycheck (the cruise lines now give about the same amount every single cruise since tip collection is now pretty much standardized).

The hours may be long, but the life is easy - believe me.
You are the first person who has worked on a ship that I know of who has sait it's pretty easy. I find that interesting since so many people whine about how hard it is. Thanks for your prespective.
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The truth is that there are easy jobs and there are hard jobs, but the point is that when you live and work on a ship you see the workers in real life on a daily basis and the entire concept of these people being "exploited" and "miserable" is just not true.

Almost none of those people would quit that job even if you cut their pay, because it is better than anything they can get at home and although the work is hard it is more than made up for by the easy lifestyle.

Think about this - what if all you had to do was work - but you never had to pay a utility bill, balance your checkbook, cook or drive to a meal, go grocery shopping, mow your lawn, repair a broken driveway, etc.

Add to that you wake up every morning in a new, exotic location and you are constantly surrounded by friends.

How bad can it possibly be? Especially when the work is not stressful. It is boring and redundant being a waiter or room steward, but it isnt stressful.

And there are hundreds of other positions where you never work when the ship is in port: shoppies, casino, entertainment.

Only certain jobs have it truly "bad" on a cruise ship - engine workers, dishwashers, etc. Those are the entry level jobs third world people take in order to move up. That have a chance to improve their English and really make something out of themselves.

Working on a cruise ship is a real opportunity for considering the fact that jobs are tailored to go to the people who find them most appealing (for their national income). It makes a tremendous amount of sense.

The joke is when people from the U.S. who have never been on a cruise ship write articles about "slave labor" where waiters work a"100 hours/week for $5.00 day." Yeah, that is on the once/year transatlantic cruise and it doesn't count the money they make in tips or that every other expense is paid for.
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I remember when I was stationed in the Philippines in 1976 during my Marine Corps days (I later joined the Navy). I got to know several American military people who had retired and either stayed there or moved back. They had many reasons. Some had married people from the country. Others loved the climate and lifestyle. One common theme was their U.S. military retirement pay, which at the time was good but you couldn't really live well on it in the U.S., would allow these guys to live in relative luxury in the Philippines. A retired master sergeant with maybe $600 to $800 a month in retirement could have a nice house, servants, a car, etc. It helped at the time that they had bases still there for medical and dental care, plus the PX. Of course that has gone away.
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Yes Paul...I absolutely agree with you.. A survey was taken in St. thomas of cruise employees and most accumulated $$ to send their families, support their chlldren in schools and as one waiter told me..he was going to open a restaurant in Croatia... I do know a young woman working for one of the cruise line who started out working on Broadway, she now works in Management and has done everything from costuming, dancing if needed and singing in the lounges (she has her card) and after years of this... is going to be part of the big picture and p lans for this cruise line (which haven't been announced yet) and work directly with the line in an important job. Oh yes.. if you go on the Epic.. you will be able to see much of her work.. For her it's a chance to see the world and has learned thanks to the cruise line many facets of working on a ship.. As you mention.. it's the ones "back stage".. the dishwashers, the engineering team etc.. who may be underappreciated..but it's a start for them and help to their families
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My question is why American's have been so difficult to train and have as productive embers aboard ship. My understandings of NCL America, is that they have been plagued with the difficulties of American Labor. Considering that NCL America must abide by US & Hawaiian labor and pay standards; one would think the American crews would be happy good workers. What our your thoughts?
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The kindest thing I can say - Americans/Canadians/unionized workers/other non-third world countries are not used to having to actually work hard for their money.

They resent management from the get/go, they demand their breaks at certain times and if their area is busy - too bad. They are taking their bread anyway.

Speed for the most part, is what you do in cars - not at work.

I guess before everyone decides to yell at me I'll quit for now.
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I have recently became acquainted with a family from Jamaica who now live in the US . The husband spent almost 20 years working on cruiseships. He worked mainly for NCL and RCI-but also had a couple of short stints on HAL. He started as a bartender, but worked his way up into a position of head wine steward and later beverage manager-I forget the title but with the last job, he was considered a ship's officer, not a crew person. He felt the work was good-he got to see the world and he managed to get promoted well, much better than anything if he had stayed in Jamaica. The reason he left this was when his wife became pregnant with their last child, he realized his older children who were 10 and 15 when the youngest was born, he barely knew.

I asked him about the long hours, etc. and he said yes this was true, but coming from the country he did, this was still considered much better than anything back at home, and if he had stayed in Jamiaca, he would have never worked his way into a management position job.

I think this is true of most crew people. They are decent people simply trying to better their way of life, and they are willing to work very hard in order to achieve this. However, they are human beings, not dogs, and there are passengers on cruiseships who need to remember that slavery has been illegal for some time now, (bad joke but you all know those types and seen them on your cruises) so yes we should treat these people with respect and tip them in accordance with their worth. Should we feel sorry for them? Absolutely not.
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I don't believe in ''smilies'', I rely on people hopefully understanding things without being told what to think.

I agree John,
People should be able to read the way you have wriiten the post and as writers we should ensure we have worded to the right level of a cruiser.
Now that little guy (smilie) is meant to explain to my American Friends who need it , that my ' right level of a cruiser' implies humour as I could have used words like to the great unwashed or of certain grade level or private schoold vs. inner city or the latest reading level average noted in the USA vs. Great Britian.
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The kindest thing I can say - Americans/Canadians/unionized workers/other non-third world countries are not used to having to actually work hard for their money.

They resent management from the get/go, they demand their breaks at certain times and if their area is busy - too bad. They are taking their bread anyway.

Speed for the most part, is what you do in cars - not at work.

I guess before everyone decides to yell at me I'll quit for now.
Just saw your post Felix,
What tree did you pounce from or did they take out your claws.
I live on Vancouver Island after many moves across the country and have worked for private and public companies, some union, some not , some global , some not , some family owned, some not.

I agree we have a lot of people trying to warm their pants but the vast majority of folks are hard working , trying to raise their families, give hard work and hours to their employers, send monies back to families who cannot realize the dream of working in a great country like Canada and the US.
In my field of systems, majority of extra hours we put in were not paid, it was to ensure we delivered what we promised and even the ones who were unionized found ways to work under the rules to ensure the employer got what was requested.
A lot of us came from different countries and have passed on these values to our children who in turn are hard working citizens.
So, enjoy the grass in the country you are blessed to live in. :o
Ask the chap on the cruise ship.
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Just saw your post Felix,
What tree did you pounce from or did they take out your claws.
I live on Vancouver Island after many moves across the country and have worked for private and public companies, some union, some not , some global , some not , some family owned, some not.

I agree we have a lot of people trying to warm their pants but the vast majority of folks are hard working , trying to raise their families, give hard work and hours to their employers, send monies back to families who cannot realize the dream of working in a great country like Canada and the US.
In my field of systems, majority of extra hours we put in were not paid, it was to ensure we delivered what we promised and even the ones who were unionized found ways to work under the rules to ensure the employer got what was requested.
A lot of us came from different countries and have passed on these values to our children who in turn are hard working citizens.
So, enjoy the grass in the country you are blessed to live in. :o
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First, I am Canadian - live in Niagara, second I worked for the Regional government for many years so yes, I know of what I speak. I also belonged to a union. I kind of think that gives me an insight into North American work ethic and compared to people from third world countries, it doesn't exist.

When NCL had an American staff only ship in Hawaii, I heard no end of complaints. The tables in the dining room would be half empty because the staff had put in the allotted hours for the day and weren't going to work anymore. The staff from third world countries certainly don't have that attitude.

Yes, I stand by my statement. Been there - seen that and the comparision will not pass the smell test.
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Trying to compare ALL Canadians to one companies original lack of training and expectations which is what happened is beyond ones imagination.
I am as Canadian as you are and to suggest a work ethic does not exist at all is a bit off the mark.

If you said, some then I could agree but to say NONE.

This board though does have all opinions.
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Now if it was just one staff/crew member who made this type of comment I would think...'sour grapes'...but it was the general consensus about frequent cruisers.
I find the openness of staff on this matter to be slightly offputting. I hope the staff I supervise would show more restraint.
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Tips were designed to insure the cruise line does not get cut out of a profit.
It's all about marketing!
Think about it, Per person rate + Taxes/Government fees & tips on pricing in lue of a flate cabin rate All Inclusive.

If the cruise line were to include a standard charge for it's employee's on the price, the workers for the cruise lines would benefit in large.

I find, paying out $5 bills daily, gets you benefits otherwise not offered by the staff.
Just about everything available to each employee will become within arms reach.

Examples, Head waiters can bring out appitizers, meats/fish, otherwise not served on the main menu.

Your Cabin personal has access to upgraded bath amenities including cosmetic mirrors among a few items.
Other items include Egg create foam padding and bed boards.

There are many passengers who stiff the workers.
Passengers will over spend on "COCTAILS", "SHORE EXCURSIONS" &" CASINO".
The cruise line does not protect the employees aganist these nuckle heads.


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The very basic answer is those taken on as "staff" on ship will not be there for longer than one tour if the lifestyle on ship and the pay does not suit them. For those that know how to "play the game" and they have accepted the lifestyle that come with it. They know how you can money from folks on this wandering, full of misfits and aholes floating hotel....So they deal with it and work it in the same way that other folks working on land do the same thing everyday in their normal "job",,,,,dealing with people and all that goes with it.

Okay you work on a ship, some will be crap at it and go, others will play the game, make it work and gain those extra bucks for the time that they have the stiffs to make it financially work for them. So it does not matter where you come from either the US, UK or Somalia, are you as a person prepared to do what it takes for 5,7,10 or 14 nights to get out the people presented your expected income?? Sadly not a lot can,,,play the game that will make them money.

Folks don’t actually realise that if you are prepared to give up your personal life and move away from being with your family everday, that there is a lot of money to be made on ship if you approach it in the right way.
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If you will allow me to make some comments as someone who has worked on cruise ships...

Now - IF a frequent cruiser acts like the rules don't apply to him it is because somewhere along the line he has been given special favors by a staff member he has befriended. It is like training a puppy, if you spoil them they will learn bad behavior. It isn't the server's fault, just like people who love their puppies they are just try to give them some special attention, but sometimes it has the wrong result.

When frequent cruisers get spoiled it manifests in their relationship with service people. If they feel buddy buddy with the hotel manager (for example) they also feel like they are running the place. When that happens they forget they are passengers, expect more and tip less.
Absolutely right. There is an RCI ship we have sailed on a number of times in which some of the repeat passengers demand to be invited to the captain's dinner. They email the MDR manager and he arranges for them to be invited. One of these passengers has actually had the entire captain's table "reserved" for her guests multiple times and then bragged about it. Ditto with bridge tours. She behaves as if she owns the ship and is part of RCI management.

It is unfortunate that these situations develop, it doesn't endear the repeat passenger to other passengers, except those who benefit from her connections. But I don't think it is the crew or managers' fault, they are trying to make every passenger happy and sometimes they get taken advantage of.
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If you feel you have arrived by being invited at the Captains table , bully for you but if it was a surprise and unexpected then enjoy the pre-dinner drink, the photo and the opportunity to chat with some of the senior staff and your table mates.
If you force your way into trying to organize the table invitees with the CD or hotel manager you might win a few times but they will get your number eventually.

Lets face it, a 7 / 10 / 14 day trip with a ship of 5,000 reduces your odds anyway and why did you come on the cruise.

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I agree, if the invitation to dine with the captain was luck of the draw it should be enjoyed. However, this woman abuses her relationship with the MDR manager by insisting she and her guests be invited to the captain's dinner every time they are on the ship. As Paul Motter pointed out, the crew/management are just trying to be nice and made the arrangements in the past but now feel they must do it--it has been going on for at least the last 5 years. Also her demand to dine with the captain (and filling the table with her guests) completely eliminates the odds of others having the honor of dining with the captain on those cruises. I suppose what I find offensive is her bragging about it and behaving as if she runs the ship.

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I agree, if the invitation to dine with the captain was luck of the draw it should be enjoyed. However, this woman abuses her relationship with the MDR manager by insisting she and her guests be invited to the captain's dinner every time they are on the ship. As Paul Motter pointed out, the crew/management are just trying to be nice and made the arrangements in the past but now feel they must do it--it has been going on for at least the last 5 years. Also her demand to dine with the captain (and filling the table with her guests) completely eliminates the odds of others having the honor of dining with the captain on those cruises. I suppose what I find offensive is her bragging about it and behaving as if she runs the ship.
Thanks ViviW,
The staff have probably felt, in this deep, for one night perhaps no one will notice. It requires a the MDR or like person to inform her that she has been privileged and due to the vast numbers now on board that have to accommodate more guests. Problem is she will still win as they will give her some kind of consolation prize. At least reduce her ability to invite numbers. It comes down to the Captain having a one on one with her and indicating he has decided to be fair to all , he will no longer have supper at the same time as the guests, does have a ship to run.
He can assign to the Staff Captain, in essence someone has to stop the practice or just make themselves unavailable.

Anybody in the crew out there who have managed to wiggle out of this situation.
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