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I am cruising next year to So. Caribbean and have never had a balcony room before. I was telling a girlfriend that I cant wait to hear the waves at night and she scolded me! She said it was too hot to leave the balcony door open. Then I realized she was saying this because it is a gripe for her. Apparently, it messes up the airconditioning in the other rooms. Is this a common gripe? I will not keep the door open all night, but it would be nice to feel the warm breeze in my room for a little while. Opinions on this are welcome!!
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I think she is right, leaving the door open can mess up the aircon, if you want to feel the breeze sit out there??
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It will effect the ac.....you will be so tired after your busy days, you will be alseep like a baby in no time
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sure air condition don't work if the door is open.

I never heard a lot of waves in my room

>>be nice to feel the warm breeze in my room
it would be nice but I think there would be no breese in your room
if you open the door - it would be simply hot.

My tip: if you want to open the door do it
if you want to close the door - close it.
but let your girfriend close the door from the other side:
because the cabin is normally too small for 2 person.

Balcony cabin is very nice to have but if is not so nice as one can think.
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not only can the air be warm....but factor in humidity being sucked into the room as well thus making for a not so pleasant experience ! Door being open can and will have affect on the AC system and not just affecting your stateroom.

Like to hear the waves and smell that salt air ??? Sit on the balcony with a nice drink and take it all in, or a good book to read and doze off with.
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I'd be more leary at night. Recently a balcony door was not locked and the people were not there. Some young men from another balcony got over the balcony partition, went in, cleaned out the liquor supply, crawled back over the partition.
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Now that could have been a man overboard in the making....
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Now that could have been a man overboard in the making....
True. They showed a picture of the chair placement on their balcony and the area at the top of the partition where they went over. I guess they didn't go around the partition on the rail.
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There is also the risk of uninvited guests (birds, insects) in your room if you happen to be cruising near shore or as you get close to the next port.
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In addition should it rain during the night and if its windy you could be taking an unwanted bath .
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There are other very good reasons to close your balcony door.

Ship's ventilation systems are designed to save your life in case of fire.
The system maintains a higher air pressure inside your cabin than in the corridors. In case of fire, the over-pressure blows smoke and flames away from your cabin, rather than into it.

If you leave your balcony door open, that over-pressure dissapates outdoors. Then the A/C system tries to build pressure in your cabin by robbing the air from your neighbors' cabins.
If your neighbors are smokers, you get their smoke.
Whether or not they smoke, you get their cold air.
They complain that the A/C is not working.
If there is a fire, you are all in trouble.

Please read the sign on your balcony door, instructing you to keep it closed.
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I am cruising next year to So. Caribbean and have never had a balcony room before. I was telling a girlfriend that I cant wait to hear the waves at night and she scolded me! She said it was too hot to leave the balcony door open. Then I realized she was saying this because it is a gripe for her. Apparently, it messes up the airconditioning in the other rooms. Is this a common gripe? I will not keep the door open all night, but it would be nice to feel the warm breeze in my room for a little while. Opinions on this are welcome!!
Leaving your balcony door open will not affect the operation of AC in other cabins, the regulating of temp’s inside your cabin may be a problem.
I don’t leave the balcony door open at ports because mosquito’s find their way inside my cabin.
While at sea, leaving the balcony door open is fine.
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Leaving your balcony door open will not affect the operation of AC in other cabins, the regulating of temp’s inside your cabin may be a problem.
I don’t leave the balcony door open at ports because mosquito’s find their way inside my cabin.
While at sea, leaving the balcony door open is fine.
I have not been told this, the reverse in fact.
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I'd be more leary at night. Recently a balcony door was not locked and the people were not there. Some young men from another balcony got over the balcony partition, went in, cleaned out the liquor supply, crawled back over the partition.
Good advice to drink up everything upon boarding.
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Newer cruise ships have continuous electronic monitoring systems which are designed to detect both smoke and heat (fire), these systems are also designed to supress flams and reduce escaping smoke, performed through sprinklers and oxigen supression.

AC systems are sealed mechanical systems on the newer cruise ships with electroic dampers that can also be mannually closed.
If a fire were to break out, the trained team would evacuate every cabin and close all doors.
All dampers would be closed off in all zones within the fire doors including and not limited to immeadite decks.
These system are momitored in the main bridge.

The ships elevators also are mannually controlled to prevent passengers from becomming trapped.
You will see a fire control key unit in every elevator for emergency use only.
The elevator shafts are also sealed to prevent air from being sucked from upper decks that would feed the fire.
Older ships use the elevator itself to block the shafts.

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Dannyboy,

You may be correct regarding the fire control systems on some ships.
But on the 23 ships I have managed - and still manage - you are wrong.
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Arrow AC systems on newer cruise ships.

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Heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) systems on cruise vessels consume a substantial amount of energy.
The sealed HVAC systems can also be manually closed or electronically closed off at dampers located at specific sections of a ship to expire oxygen.

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Okay, so in laymean's terms? If every room has it's own regulating system, are you saying it does or doesnt make a difference to leave the balcony door open?
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Look at it with some plain old common sense. You are on the ocean. The air is very humid and in most cases very warm. The ship will be moving and what will happen if you leave a balcony door open, you will end up with a very hot and humid cabin. Then when you close the door and turn the air up as high as it will go ( and its not like the a/c at home to begin with ) it will take forever to get it cooled off again. Live and learn.
As far as hearing the swishing of the water, it's unlikely you'll heard that at all. I would advise to save yourself and roommate some problems and leave the balcony door closed--if you want the warm, salty air, sit on the balcony for a while with the door closed behind you.But, you will do as you see fit, regardless of what is said here so enjoy, however you decide.
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Energy-efficient air conditioning on luxury cruise vessels

Vacon AC drives to control Koja Marine's fan systems.

Large cruise liner companies are becoming increasingly interested in optimizing the output of the air conditioning systems in their new ships. The innovative and energy-efficient air conditioning technology the world’s newest and most revolutionary cruise ships under construction at STX are supplied fan systems controlled by Vacon AC drives.

Technology innovations improve overall efficiency

Heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) systems on cruise vessels consume a substantial amount of energy.
The sealed HVAC systems can also be manually closed or electronically closed off at dampers located at specific sections of a ship to expire oxygen.

The energy consumed by the HVAC system on a typical cruise vessel dating back to 10 years is equivalent to that of the total propulsion system or the combined hotel load.

Koja Marine, known for supplying air conditioning systems to the world’s most exclusive cruise liners, has been developing an economical and space-saving air conditioning systems.
The air conditioning system features a number of automation technology innovations that improve overall efficiency. For example, the air conditioning systems for cabins and public areas, and air conditioning automation represent totally new technology,” says Esko Nousiainen, director of Koja Marine.

The out put of controlled heat or air to all cabins located at the end of terminals.
Vacon AC drives control temperature & humidity to every space within each designated self contained system.

Since 2000, Vacon has supplied Koja Marine with approximately 3,500 AC drives. Vacon AC drives control the fans of Koja’s air conditioning systems used on board over 20 new cruise liners — a majority of which is sailing in the Caribbean. Vacon’s scope of delivery to Koja Marine includes air-cooled AC drives up to 50 kW, mostly 380 - 500 V units in IP54 enclosures, providing a high degree of protection against humidity.

Fans used in air conditioning systems often use excessive amounts of energy. Stepless speed control of the fan by means of an AC drive can bring considerable energy savings. In some cases, the payback time can be as short as one year.

More importantly, Vacon AC drives control the temperature and the level of humidity in the staterooms and in the public areas, thus guaranteeing better air quality on board. On a vessel carrying thousands of guests, the varying need for air conditioning is not a problem as adjusting the Vacon AC drives according to changing needs is easy.

Vacon AC drives are silent since they require no large built-in fans, and consequently, the air conditioning system does not cause any disturbing noise. All this adds to the passenger and personnel comfort.

In maritime air conditioning systems, space saving is one of the most important design criteria: air conditioning technology should take as little space as possible to leave maximum room for the staterooms and public spaces on board. The mechanical design of the Vacon AC drives is extremely compact. The IP54 units in particular are among the smallest AC drives on the market.

Fan control via Profibus

The Vacon AC drives are connected to the air conditioning system via Profibus. Fieldbus technology reduces the amount of wiring and the number of connections, the costs of installation, commissioning and service, and makes the system more resistant to malfunctions. Furthermore, fieldbus technology provides unlimited possibilities for control commands and access to a wide range of measurement and control data on the process itself.
Dannyboy,


Your postings about these new A/C systems really intrigued me. I am at Meyer-Werft shipyard in Germany this week, working on a newbuild for my company. Meyer-Werft builds NCL and Celebrity ships, amongst others. Many people "in the business" consider Meyer-Werft to be the best. I showed your posts to the engineers at Meyer-Werft. Some of them had heard of this stuff. Most had not. In any case, they told me that the major shipyards are not yet using this technology and equipment.
Perhaps sometime in the future..............

Meanwhile, if you leave your balcony door open, it will mess up the A/C system on most of today's cruise ships.
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Well as this debate goes on, I kinda' like having my balcony door open at times both day and night. I never leave it open for any long periods of time but it's nice. It will be interesting to know if it's ok or not.
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I have a basic position on this, I take a balcony at a premium cost because I can open the door whenever I like, I can stand out there and smoke if I like, I can watch the world go by if I like. If I wanted to be totally environmentally friendly to the rest of the ship and its AC then I would take an inside cabin or one with a portal. Or the other way to look at it is, if it was such a problem then the lines would build climatically controlled and totally internal cabins and no balconies! They dont do they

No, I pay their premium and so its my call as do I leave the balcony door slightly open for fresh air or not? My premium so my comfort or choice.

When I fly business class, do I worry that others on the same plane dont get the same leg room, seat size or meal or service as me, no.

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I have a basic position on this, I take a balcony at a premium cost because I can open the door whenever I like, I can stand out there and smoke if I like, I can watch the world go by if I like. If I wanted to be totally environmentally friendly to the rest of the ship and its AC then I would take an inside cabin or one with a portal. Or the other way to look at it is, if it was such a problem then the lines would build climatically controlled and totally internal cabins and no balconies! They dont do they

No, I pay their premium and so its my call as do I leave the balcony door slightly open for fresh air or not? My premium so my comfort or choice.

When I fly business class, do I worry that others on the same plane dont get the same leg room, seat size or meal or service as me, no.
I agree 100% I really dont understand what the debate is about if you want to leave the door open then do so!Its your chose you paid for the room. I doubt that if you left the door open it would be any inconvience to anyone.People have A.Cs and heaters in their staterooms I am sure they can figure out how to use them.And I doubt if you left your door open any one else would even know.Thats like saying when I go to a motel is it all right to leave the window open all night
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I have no problem if someone wants to leave their balcony door open. However; if the smell from someone having a cigarette on their balcony bothers you then shut the door. If you hear your neighbors having a "normal" conversation on their balcony and this disturbs you then shut the door. If having your balcony door open shuts down the air conditioning in the cabin next to you then shut the door.

Yes: You've paid a "premium" price for the balcony but that does not allow your choice to keep your door open to interfere with someone else's normal enjoyment of their balcony.

The door is supposed to be kept shut so if any of these things bother those that keep their balcony door open, to the point of complaining, then guess who's going to have to change what they are doing? The person leaving the balcony door open.

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How is me leaving my balcony door open going to effect anyone? How is anyone even going to know that it is open.And who cares I dont really care whose door is left open, what diffrence is it going to make to me? Know if you are someone that likes to b@tch and moan about every little thing everyone else does then I can see where that might be a fine opportunity to get a little B@tching time in.
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If it puts an uneven load on the HVAC system causing problems keeping other peoples' cabins cool it is, in the least, a bit inconsiderate to leave the door open.

If indeed it plays any role in fire safety as Bruce pointed out, going against the rules and leaving the door open is dumb and puts other passenger at risk.

Not 'griping', just calling it like I see it. Rules are usually there for a reason, not just to randomly inconvenience everyone.

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Dhill, when the people on either side of you call desk services,and complain, the AC police will knock on your door, and put you in the brig!

But seriously, Why should your comfort, be any more important, then those around you? This "gripe" is not of a minimal nature as some "gripes" are..If suddenly you found yourself sweating bullets in your cabin, how miffed would you be? From the sound of it, I bet you would not be a happy cruiser.

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