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Just found out that RCCL's Radiance will not be going the Inside Passage route in 2010. We have June 2010 plans for an Alaskan cruise. How much will we miss out on by not doing the Inside Passage. Our main reason for going to Alaska is for the scenery, but I have heard from so many people about the Inside Passage that I hate to miss out on it. Why would they cut this from their route? Maybe I should try to book with another cruise line. Any suggestions?
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I don't know where you got your information, but every ship sailing to Alaska sails the Inside Passage - there is no other way to get to the main ports.

http://www.royalcaribbean.com shows the Radiance on the same route in 2010 that she's been on since 2006.
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We were much closer to the land and islands of the inside passage when we departed Vancouver. Leaving from Seattle we were in more open water.
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...and the Radiance sails from Vancouver.
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Hi PeterC,
Yes, I will never cruise Alaska from Seattle again, much more "inside" starting from Vancouver, even though they say its "inside", it really wasn't...I'd pay the extra in airfare in a heartbeat...
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From my understanding of the issue, it basically limits what the cruiseline can discharge while in the inside passage and therefore costs them more to dispose of waste. There are a lot of environmental factors that concern the inside passage.
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Most of the ships from Seattle go on the outside of Vancouver Island, hence missing the Inside Passage which is between the Island and the mainland. Sailing from Vancouver is far more scenic IMO.
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I don't know where you got your information, but every ship sailing to Alaska sails the Inside Passage - there is no other way to get to the main ports.

http://www.royalcaribbean.com shows the Radiance on the same route in 2010 that she's been on since 2006.
Sorry, that's completely wrong....check out this map..

http://www.britishcolumbia.com/Maps/?id=2

The inside passage is inbetween Vancouver Island and the mainland. Nowhere near the towns of Alaska. Leaving from Seattle, a lot of the ships skirt the island by going on the westside.
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>>The inside passage is in between Vancouver Island and the mainland. <<

The Inside Passage has, for the past century plus, been the sheltered water passages all the way from Seattle to the north end of Southeast Alaska. All of the Alaska cruise ports except Sitka are on the Inside Passage. I occasionally work on the Alaska ships as a Destination Speaker and I assure you I know where I am - I also live 110 miles north of the north end of the Inside Passage.
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>>The inside passage is in between Vancouver Island and the mainland. <<

The Inside Passage has, for the past century plus, been the sheltered water passages all the way from Seattle to the north end of Southeast Alaska. All of the Alaska cruise ports except Sitka are on the Inside Passage. I occasionally work on the Alaska ships as a Destination Speaker and I assure you I know where I am - I also live 110 miles north of the north end of the Inside Passage.
It technically might be where you say, but when a cruise line is doing an inside passage cruise.... it's between the island and the mainland. Check out their itineraries, when it's on that leg of the journey, it says "Cruising the inside passage" that's been removed from one leg of the cruises from Seattle when they're on the outside of the island.

I think we both knew what the OP was referring to when she said there was no inside passage cruising.
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It technically might be where you say, but when a cruise line is doing an inside passage cruise.... it's between the island and the mainland.
You have no idea what you're talking about. One example from Princess:
"Inside Passage Cruise
Roundtrip from Seattle or San Francisco, this 7-day or 10-day cruise is the perfect way to experience the best of Alaska's southeastern ports. "
http://www.princess.com/learn/destin...trades/aip.jsp

In any case, the original question was about the Radiance which sails from Vancouver in 2010 as she does now.
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We've sailed 3 times to Alaska. Twice from Vancouver and once from Seattle. All 3 times the route was different. I don't know how this is decided, tides? Time constraints? Whim of the Captain? We looked up the routes on a book about the inside passage and there was a dotted line for a route we took that was listed as optional. And I can't recall the name of the strait we were in but it was very narrow and extra spectacular.
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I did not mean to start all this - I know that the Radiance sails from Vancouver. I was just stating that on the RCCL website for the 2010 cruise the route does not state Inside Passage, it states Cruising for the day. On the 2009 route, it does state Inside Passage. They do not have the lined detail on the map for the route. I read on another thread that the Inside Passage would not be done in 2010 on the Radiance. I have never been to Alaska, and I am unfamiliar with the area so I guess I do not know or understand what the Inside Passage is. My original question was would I miss a lot of scenery by not doing the inside passage route and should I consider another cruise line that will be doing the inside passage.
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The simple answer, Dinda, is that regardless of how the itinerary is described on the Web site or brochure, it's the same route it's been on since 2006, and it does cruise the Inside Passage because that's where all of the ports it goes to south of Hubbard Glacier are.

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I don't know where you got your information, but every ship sailing to Alaska sails the Inside Passage - there is no other way to get to the main ports.

http://www.royalcaribbean.com shows the Radiance on the same route in 2010 that she's been on since 2006.
Sorry, that's completely wrong....check out this map..

http://www.britishcolumbia.com/Maps/?id=2

The inside passage is inbetween Vancouver Island and the mainland. Nowhere near the towns of Alaska. Leaving from Seattle, a lot of the ships skirt the island by going on the westside.
Nope, you, are mistaken. ALASKA Inside Passage cruises are sold as such, has NOTHING to do with Inside Vancouver Island. All cruises sail Alaska "inside passage", can NOT get to Juneau or Skagway without doing so.
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Just found out that RCCL's Radiance will not be going the Inside Passage route in 2010. We have June 2010 plans for an Alaskan cruise. How much will we miss out on by not doing the Inside Passage. Our main reason for going to Alaska is for the scenery, but I have heard from so many people about the Inside Passage that I hate to miss out on it. Why would they cut this from their route? Maybe I should try to book with another cruise line. Any suggestions?
Where did you find this information??? It doesn't indicate this on RCI website.
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I don't know where you got your information, but every ship sailing to Alaska sails the Inside Passage - there is no other way to get to the main ports.

http://www.royalcaribbean.com shows the Radiance on the same route in 2010 that she's been on since 2006.
Sorry, that's completely wrong....check out this map..

http://www.britishcolumbia.com/Maps/?id=2

The inside passage is inbetween Vancouver Island and the mainland. Nowhere near the towns of Alaska. Leaving from Seattle, a lot of the ships skirt the island by going on the westside.
Nope, you, are mistaken. ALASKA Inside Passage cruises are sold as such, has NOTHING to do with Inside Vancouver Island. All cruises sail Alaska "inside passage", can NOT get to Juneau or Skagway without doing so.
Again, as I stated before, yes, the inside passage technically runs up to Alaska, of course it does. But the OP was talking about what is normally referred to the "Scenic Inside Passage" which is the spectacular scenary on the inside between Vancouver Island and the Mainland. Ships from Seattle miss this. Arguing about this is stupid! You know as well as I do what the OP was referring to, she didn't need a geography lesson. Ships from Seattle "usually" stick to the outside in the open ocean where's it's less scenic and rougher.
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You should be aware that Vancouver is hosting the 2010 Olympics and that will drive up the costs of flights and hotels for that summer season as well as create congestion.

You might want to consider cruising from Seattle to Alaska in 2010.
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You should be aware that Vancouver is hosting the 2010 Olympics and that will drive up the costs of flights and hotels for that summer season as well as create congestion.
Vancouver is hosting the WINTER Olympics - in February 2010.
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Once again, Yukon is right. I have learned the Olympics will be over sometime in March 2010.
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Arguing about this is stupid!
Agreed - you need to tell Princess to quit advertising their cruises incorrectly!

"Inside Passage Cruise
Roundtrip from Seattle or San Francisco, this 7-day or 10-day cruise is the perfect way to experience the best of Alaska's southeastern ports. "
http://www.princess.com/learn/destin...trades/aip.jsp

On my last cruise on the Vision out of Seattle ( http://www.youralaskacruise.com/revi...006/page2.html ), we did use the route to the east of Vancouver Island when southbound, so it isn't even a given that Seattles are open-ocean around Vancouver Island.
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Sorry, that's completely wrong....check out this map..

http://www.britishcolumbia.com/Maps/?id=2

The inside passage is inbetween Vancouver Island and the mainland. Nowhere near the towns of Alaska. Leaving from Seattle, a lot of the ships skirt the island by going on the westside.
The channel that you describe, variously known as the Strait of Georgia, the Discovery Passage, the Johnstone Strait, and the Queen Charlotte Strait, is part of the Inside Passage -- but any ship transiting that segment of the Inside Passage will do so at night, so you won't see much anyway.

Generally, an "Inside Passage" is a waterway between barrier islands and a mainland or between inner and outer chains of barrier islands that's deep enough and wide enough for navigation of ocean-going vessels. The "inside passage" of British Columbia and Alaska continues northwestward across Queen Charlotte Sound, through the Hecate Strait (between the Queen Charlotte Islands and the mainland), then up the Clarence Strait (between Prince of Wales Island and the mainland) into the Alaskan panhandle. It then continues up to Frederick Sound (between Kupreanof Island and Kuiu Island to the south and the mainland and Admiralty Island to the north), where one can take either the Stephens Passage (between Admiralty Island and the mainland) or Chatham Strait (between Admiralty Island to the east and Baranof Island and Chichagof Island to the west) to connect to Icy Strait and Cross Sound (both between Chichagof Island and the mainland, separated by the entrance to Glacier Bay). Note that the ports of Ketchikan, Wrangel, Petersburg, and Juneau are on the mainland along Inside Passage, and Skagway is on the mainland at the northernmost end of the Lynn Canal, a fiord that connects at its southern end connects with the Stephens Passage, the Chatham Strait, and Icy Strait on the north side of Admiralty Island. The port of Hoonah, also sometimes called "Icy Strait Point," is along Icy Strait on Chichagof Island. Only the port Sitka, on Baranof Island, is on the Gulf of Alaska.

So all "Gulf of Alaska" cruises must transit most of the Alaskan portion of the Inside Passage in order to make their ports of call.

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We've sailed 3 times to Alaska. Twice from Vancouver and once from Seattle. All 3 times the route was different. I don't know how this is decided, tides? Time constraints? Whim of the Captain? We looked up the routes on a book about the inside passage and there was a dotted line for a route we took that was listed as optional. And I can't recall the name of the strait we were in but it was very narrow and extra spectacular.
The route that a ship takes is always ultimately the Master's decision, though the Master usually goes along with the recommendation of the Navigator.

In making this decision, the Master typically will consider the following factors.

>> 1. Tides and currents, especially in narrower channels where a cross-current could be a serious problem

>> 2. Weather, especially conditions such as wind and fog that could impair navigation

>> 3. Sea conditions (the Inside Passage is more sheltered, and thus more comfortable for passengers, if there's a major strorm brewing off the coast)

>> 4. Ship's itinerary (nearly all of Alaska's ports of call are along the Inside Passage)

>> 5. Time of day (passengers will prefer the scenic route in daylight, but there's no point in going through a scenic area in total darkness)

>> 6. Projections of other traffic in the vicinity (the master might not want to be in a narrow channel while a couple dozen fishing boats are going the other way)

>> 7. Any other needs (for example, a need to be in international waters so the casino and the shops can open, and thus generate profit)

And many of these factors are likely to be radically different from one cruise to the next.

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I just figured the Captain wanted a change of scenery for himself.
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The channel that you describe, variously known as the Strait of Georgia, the Discovery Passage, the Johnstone Strait, and the Queen Charlotte Strait, is part of the Inside Passage -- but any ship transiting that segment of the Inside Passage will do so at night, so you won't see much anyway.
What a strange thread this has turned into. Of my 7 passages of that part of the Inside Passage by cruise ship, 3 have been primarily in daylight.
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[quote="Rev22:17"]Trackypup,

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The channel that you describe, variously known as the Strait of Georgia, the Discovery Passage, the Johnstone Strait, and the Queen Charlotte Strait, is part of the Inside Passage -- but any ship transiting that segment of the Inside Passage will do so at night, so you won't see much anyway.

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I will assume this is just copied from some where and NOT based on this poster's experience??? AND I too, like Murray have most certainly sailed this section in daylight several times.
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Reading all the replies , there seems to be an interpretation

problem with the term inside passage. The inside passage from

Seattle to Skagway is very long but unusable

for a extended part of it.The part from Port Hardy to

Prince Rupert (used by BC Ferries) isn't big enough for most
cruise ships. There are also parts

between Ketchikan and Skagway that is to narrow for most cruise

ships.One reason ships from Seattle don't use the inside passage

south of Port hardy is the tide schedule . There is a narrows near


Campbell River where the tide can flow up to 20 knots in either

direction. The ship traffic tries to travel this narrows during slack

tide . The current is still 2 to 5 knots in either direction .

This point is about 6 hours sailing north of Vancouver.
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The channel that you describe, variously known as the Strait of Georgia, the Discovery Passage, the Johnstone Strait, and the Queen Charlotte Strait, is part of the Inside Passage -- but any ship transiting that segment of the Inside Passage will do so at night, so you won't see much anyway.
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What a strange thread this has turned into. Of my 7 passages of that part of the Inside Passage by cruise ship, 3 have been primarily in daylight.
I have sailed Northbound from Vancouver on all of my trips to Alaska. Ships leaving Vancouver in the late afternoon or early evening usually are pretty well through that segment of the Inside Passage by the next morning. The earlier risers might see some of the Queen Charlotte Strait in daylight if the ship takes that route.

But reconsidering after I read your post, I realized that southbound ships need to get to Vancouver in time to process arrival formalities and unload luggage before disembarkation at 7:00 AM. That means an arrival around 1:00 AM to 2:00 AM, so the ship would have to enter the Queen Charlotte Strait in the early afternoon.

Of course, ships sailing from Seattle have a longer transit, and probably would be in that segment of the Inside Passage for a significant amount of daylight....

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Reading all the replies , there seems to be an interpretation

problem with the term inside passage. The inside passage from

Seattle to Skagway is very long but unusable

for a extended part of it.The part from Port Hardy to

Prince Rupert (used by BC Ferries) isn't big enough for most
cruise ships. There are also parts

between Ketchikan and Skagway that is to narrow for most cruise

ships.
On my last Alaska cruise, GTS Summit did take the "inside passage" in the segments that you say are not useable. Although relatively narrow, these channels have very steep banks on both sides and thus are quite deep for nearly all of their width. But sailing out of Vancouver, the ship would have approached these segments at an earlier time of day. I suspect that a LOT of masters probably prefer to avoid such restricted waters at night!

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One reason ships from Seattle don't use the inside passage

south of Port hardy is the tide schedule . There is a narrows near


Campbell River where the tide can flow up to 20 knots in either

direction. The ship traffic tries to travel this narrows during slack

tide . The current is still 2 to 5 knots in either direction .

This point is about 6 hours sailing north of Vancouver.
The timing of the tidal currents certainly would be a factor, as I noted in an earlier post.

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