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How many people here use Twitter?

There is a big push by many in the cruise & travel media to use Twitter as a tool to gain readers. Wendy Perrin (Travel & Leisure) was tweeting so often I wondered if she had time to do anything else.

NCL has a solid tweet campaign going on - Andy Stuart says he devotes 1/2 hour of every day just to twitter - and he only has 1000 followers after six months or longer of doing this (I have 680 and I rarely even go there).

There is a system on Twitter where you can use the # sign to designate a "channel" for a topic of interest; use #cruise in the search field and you get all posts where someone put #cruise in their tweet.

Lately it appears to me Twitter has become a vast wasteland as far as discussing cruising goes. When you go to #cruise you get spam for lingerie, non-cruise travel agents hawking deals in Vegas, a rash of posts by the anti-cruise lobby, such as one lawyer in particular posting for victims of the Ecstasy list event to hurry up and contact him before the statute of limitations runs out.

Furthermore - Twitter can't even make the display work right - look at what a simple apostrophe does in the bottom tweet in the picture....



This picture is a screenshot I took just this morning. Does anyone here find this useful?

I admit, I do not like Twitter. I think trying to have conversations in 154 character limitation bites is a dumb idea. I also foresee it becoming completely over-run with spaam within 6 months as there is no moderation.

Remember MySpace? Two years ago it was being hailed as the holy grail of Web apps - now it is dead behind Twitter and Facebook.

Facebook I see as more relevent - for people who want to keep in touch with their friends, but I also find it confusing and hard to separate friends from professionals.

But I see the end of Twitter coming all too soon. Anyone else even care to comment on this?
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I have given up on Twitter. The junk and the number of Tweets, with completely useless information, that some people were tweeting was ridiculous. Also, there were too many instances of hacked ID's where you receive supposed Tweets from people you were following only to find that it was nothing more than a SPAM link.

A couple of weeks ago I finally drank the Kool-Aid and joined Facebook to keep up with family. It's nice that you have a bit more control over who you want to view but I keep getting friend requests from people who I have no idea who they are. Most are friends of friends friends. Also the format is a not easy to navigate between the different Feeds and the profile Wall.

Also; the games drove me nuts. Filling up my screen with games that want you to water someones garden, kill a vampire or eat their pancakes. I finally figured out you could block the games without blocking the person.

There was a recent South Park episode that really lampooned Facebook and I identified with all things they made jokes about. "Stan: Why won't you be friends with Grandma."

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Mike - as always, you hit the nail onthe head. I disliked Twitter from ti git-go. I just seemed like an AOL chatroom to me.

I missed the now famous SouthPark episode about Facebook, I will have to go to my Cox Cable On Demand service and view it at my leisure (Cox, send the check to IB ).

I need to set up a separate Facebook account for the private me and the CruiseMates me. Good idea, I will get cracking.

As for Twitter - I see my favorite cruise line attorney is trolling for Ecstasy "mysterious list incident" victims by posting numerous times about the incident and what "really" happened.

Then he just happened to post an important article today about "statute of limitations" for people who want to sue cruise lines for personal injury, just in case you didn't know. BREAKING NEWS!

And at the same time we have cruise line executives suggesting people go to the same channel to see their tweets about the latest dessert added to their buffet - puleeeeze.

I like NCL a lot as a cruise line, and I like the people who work there. But seeing Andy Stuart "interview" the gnome from Travelocity via Twitter is laughably ridiculous in the lexicon of "how I want to spend my day."

This exercise in mind-numbing frustration actually went on for a full hour.

It was just re-tweeted today:

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If you missed my twitterview with @nclandy, you can find it here! Start from the bottom and work your way up. http://bit.ly/cVBoTV

I'll be checking that out for sure! Oh Heck, the link didn't work. I should have saved when I had the chance.
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I use Twitter but mostly for airlines and foodie stuff. I see Twitter as a modern usenet.

There was a time when usenet was nice and clean and useful.
Usenet is still useful but it horribly cluttered.

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Nope, I don't twitter, just don't hav the time between the boards here at Cruisemates and checking Facebook a few times a week. Just can't imagine tweeting too....
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Facebook over twitter but both are mind numbing.
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I jumped on the Facebook wagon in October 2008 when my fellow crazy cruisers from the Liberty all said they were on there....thus, I took a bite from the forbidden apple and joined. For the longest time I would log in perhaps twice a week and leave it at that, but then I discovered the games and ya.......I play Farmville and I love it! It is quite fun and many people I know also play, so yes, I help their farms...

Twitter--I've heard comments that it is one of the most useless telecommunication "advances" that has happened in recent years....
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I DID watch the SouthPark Facebook episode on "on demand" last night, and the farm is a big part of the show.

"Come and water my fields"

and also Yatzee.

Sorry, I wish I had the time to do that kind of stuff, but personally I don't even buy video games because I know they would just take up too much of my time.

I was on facebook yesterday - and saw a friend of mine was online so we chatted. That was weird. I used to chat online all the time but I even got tired of that.

But as a web-savvy guy noted to me recently - not everyone is like me. There are plenty of people out there now just discovering the Internet and its all new to them, so they do the things I did at first - chatting, games, etc...

It will wear off, I believe. I keep think "MySpace" nothing but teenagers now.
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I have a Twitter account but am getting tired of it. I usually put links to cruise press releases there and that is mostly it. There is so much clutter to wade through - the people who get some sense of self-worth by having the most followers, being followed by people who I don't know and who have no connection to cruising, the Follow Friday nonsense, the shills and spammers, the twitter jargon, and of course the character limits. I've made 170 tweets since I opened the account last summer. I remember seeing Anita Potter do tweets from one of the press conferences we attended aboard the Celebrity Equinox in England. She was constantly typing things and at the time I thought "cool", so I set up an account. But it has become apparent that it isn't my cup of tea.

I use Facebook more often since it is a nice way to keep up with family members and friends. I've also found many old friends from my high school and military days, which is really nice. It's like a class reunion without having to fly home.

To answer your question I think Twitter will flitter away, sooner rather than later.
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I am on Twitter, but find I hardlygo there anymore..I hate those retweets!
I am on FB, and have enjoyed it.Setting up a Cruisemates fan page is a good idea..We can share it, and it will show up on our walls, so many can click to go see whats cookin!
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Not sure if its rumor or fact, but there was something recently on FB about a monthly charge to stay a member starting in July, a $3.95 monthly charge. I sure hope that is not true....time will tell.
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I sure hope it is true. I'm like the kid on South Park, I don't want to get sucked in to that .

I just had to set up a whole separate account for CruiseMates yesterday because I set up my personal account a "friended" a lot of industry people before it was popular with regular people. Now I have all my friends online along with my biz connections and it probably isn a good thing.
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Well I don't have any twitter account, I was just planning to have one but after reding your posts I changed my mind now. I'll just continue managing my facebook account instead.

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I don't think you need an account to go to Twitter, you can read all of the hot air you want without committing to the site.

No, it isn't all hot air, just about 80% of it.
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I've never Twittered and do not post on any social network .I'm very selective as far as posting personal info on a public board
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Nope, see Henry's post...
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Oops ,I just remembered that there has been a photo of myself on line since 1999 .Its the website of the administrator of the music board that I contribute too
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tried twitter and they messed up my log in so said forget it and I am glad.
Now love FaceBook. I have met some very nice people on there, stay abreast of what is happenning with nieces/nephews and like some of the games. Checked the thing about Facebook charging and they state that they will never charge, if they end up doing it I will leave there, don't pay for any site.
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Facebook shares personal info with similiar internet sites that they share a relationship with .
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All of those web sites now connect to each other, if you want them to. You can have anything you tweet posted on Facebook, linked-in and what all.

I think that is what makes them all so confusing - when I go to my facebook page I really cannot tell what is what. I'm like "is this message for me, or for someone else? Am I reading a post or an email?"

I really can't tell - its all a mess to me.
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People whom I know who are on a social network site received e-mails stating that as of Jan.1 ,2010 their personal info on that site would be in Facebook and other sites .They were told that if they chose not to have this they could click on something on their site ,however,that did not take and in order to not have info flowing they opted to leave the network site .
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As IO look into Twitter now I see that it has largely died - specifically the #cruise channel.

I see NCLAndy now often goes as much as a week without posting. Anita Potter who wrote for MSNBC has only posied one or two times since a posting spree in March.

Gene Sloan from USA Today has slowed down his posting a great deal with just one poast in the last week.

I am guessing these people finally really took a look at where their traffic was coming from and did not see it originating with Twitter.

Just for the record, I have been anti-Twitter as a means to drive business for a long time now - I think the 154 charatacter limitation is a joke and I do NOT believe there is enough time in the day to spend an hour on twitter daily - it is a chatroom. Chatrroms have very limited audiences compared to message boards (or even Facebook for that matter) because you essentially have to be there at the time people tweet.
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I see NCLAndy now often goes as much as a week without posting. Anita Potter who wrote for MSNBC has only posied one or two times since a posting spree in March.

Gene Sloan from USA Today has slowed down his posting a great deal with just one poast in the last week.

Just for the record, I have been anti-Twitter as a means to drive business for a long time now - I think the 154 charatacter limitation is a joke and I do NOT believe there is enough time in the day to spend an hour on twitter daily - it is a chatroom. Chatrroms have very limited audiences compared to message boards (or even Facebook for that matter) because you essentially have to be there at the time people tweet.
I am going to beg to differ completely on this.

In the past year, I have booked a group specifically built from a relationship from Twitter that will earn me over six figures. Twitter has allowed me to reach an audience that Facebook cannot touch. I would have never made this initial connection without Twitter.

Andy Stuart is a little busy with a new build about to launch.

Gene Sloan was on Twitter this morning after taking some time off and working on his house and editing a new edition of his Alaska cruise book.

It, like Facebook, Linkedin, etc. are just a tool but they are marketing tools and instead of spending money, one is now spending time. For my social media strategy, I spend about an hour a day just being social. Using the ability to tweet a new blog entry three times a day, I hit an entirely different audience. Using tools like Tweetdeck, I can monitor posts about a certain topic (hashtag) and respond at my leisure.

It is completely a relationship tool and I am proud to say it works for me.
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That's good for you Amber, I am glad for you. But how long do you think it will continue. And how do you think the new changes regarding advertising will affect you?

Also - can you explain how you created this group you are referring to? Are you a travel agent putting together a group of tweeters, or some other approach?

Also was this done recently? Because my post refers to what I have seen recently, not what may have happened last year. I am referring to a decline from what I saw as a peak in usage late last year.
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It won't affect me at all. You won't see me using it like many Travel agents blasting nothing but specials and offers. Also the advertising policy will apply to third party sources, but nothing will affect an individual from building business from the relationships made. I don't know how long it will last, after all it is free. However, even MYSPACE has evolved to a more musician centric service because of the features available there not available with Facebook.

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Using Twitter to make a connection and relationship with someone who had been doing their conventions on land. This is not a group of tweeters, though some participants do tweet. It is like those old Avon/Tupperware parties. You build a relationship first and sell later. Just by listening and joining in on the conversation, has given us opportunities not only to sell a cruise, but ancillary products like travel insurance, shore excursions, etc.

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I don't think you can monitor something like #cruise for an accurate reading of what is going on. There are other hashtags worth following.
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Well, I see the point of Twitter being a gathering place for people. I just personally think that in that context it is not any different from any other web site, including this one.

I personally do not understand the adulation and obsession many people have given to Twitter specifically, but then again I remember things like IRC chat and AOL chatrooms, and to me it feels like exactly the same thing and most people who have been online since the mid-1990s agree with me. Most of us got tired of "chat format" web sites a long time ago.

I also think it has been rather unfair of the cruise lines, for example, to bother to place personal representatives on Twitter to answer questions and make announcements when they don't do the same for our readers.

And right now I see Twitter rife with spammers and advertisers/ The #cruise channel has two agents who blast their non-cruise specials repeatedly, and I have reported them repeatedly and nothing has been done.

At the same time - there is a spammer who uses the phrase "ship reviews" to take people to sites that have nothing to do with cruis ships - they are "test your I.Q." type sites.

If anything, the #cruise channel has gone downhill since I first made this post.

And since that was the only reason I had to go there, I now find Twitter somewhat useless.
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I'm afraid that this technology has past me by; I've never used it. I am, however, a Facebook member, & find that mostly a waste of time, but interesting sometimes. I loved Betty White on SNL, when she said that she'd never even heard of Facebook until she was made aware of the movement to have her host SNL. As a result she joined; then looked at the camera & said "You know, it IS a waste of time!"
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So it looks like I may be the first person on this board to say, I like Twitter! But maybe that figures since I work at a technology company. The other thing is, it sounds like I use it differently than some of you. I don't do searches for subjects with hashtags for starters, which I imagine does generate a lot of spam.

I use it for getting my daily (actually hourly) news, and I can't think of another tool that works better for that. Not Facebook, that's for sure.

Part of the reason Twitter works so well for keeping up with news stories is I downloaded Twitter Fox a free plug-in for Firefox.

This plug-in makes it so you can see what the people you follow are tweeting without visiting Twitter. It opens in a small window from your browser. So you don't have to log-in or even leave whatever you're doing.

Who do I follow? Well, I don't follow anyone I don't want to hear from and the moment someone isn't tweeting useful information, I un-follow them.

Right now, I'm following the New York Times, Huffington Post, Harvard Research, NPR, Wired Magazine, Mashable, and West Wing Report, among others. (For those who lean another way, your favorites are tweeting to -- I just don't follow them.)

A couple examples of what I've been able to keep up with more efficiently and effectively because of Twitter:

Earthquakes -- we just had a couple here and the first thing I did was check my Twitter -- I knew immediately what size quake happened and where it was, and I knew which of my friends felt it.

The BP oil spill -- I don't have to go to Yahoo for headlines or conduct Google News searches. I just look at the box in the corner of my browser to see what articles my favorite news outlets have published. Most of them have set up systems to tweet their articles the moment they are published online.

High profile deaths, resignations, announcements - I like knowing immediately that Gary Coleman died or Rue Mclanahan died, Helen Thomas resigned or that Sonia Sotomayor met with a few senators today. I'm not sure why, but I do. It makes me feel on top of what's happening.

Paul's cruise articles (yep, I follow Cruisemates) -- I don't have to check Cruisemates to see what Paul's latest article is about when he remembers to tweet it. This makes my job easier.

The Facebook privacy debate -- I am fascinated by the pompous CEO of FB's ethics and I've been able to stay up to date on the public's opinion of Zuckerberg and his efforts to fix what he's screwed up in the face of some pretty harsh criticism without having to go out of my way to find the information.

It's like I've customized my own personal newsfeed with Twitter. So while I've always been one to hate what everyone else likes just because it's popular, I must admit that Twitter is my primary source for what's happening in the world.
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