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KDGodwin October 21st, 2011 03:08 AM

Cruises are so great! Why not?
 
I read on another thread that only 17% of the US has cruised before. I thought this was very interesting! It made me think why not? Cruising IMO is the best vacation for what you pay, and can be so affordable if you aren't too picky.

The thing I love is that you can book with only a deposit, and you have X amount of time to pay up to 90 days before. For my family this is perfect. We can book a cruise a year ahead and set ourseves on a budget each month to "pay as we go". If we can't go, we can cancel up to 90 days before, and we have the entire year to plan, shop, and anticipate!

My husband and I are not made of money, but we are able to cruise at least every other year together. I know this economy is bad but with cruising so affordable and so fun, why haven't more people cruised?? Everyone at work knows I am Pro Cruise, and I am spreading the bug around my facility!!

Why do you think more people haven't caught on?

johnthed0g October 21st, 2011 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KDGodwin (Post 1397826)
I read on another thread that only 17% of the US has cruised before. I thought this was very interesting! It made me think why not? Cruising IMO is the best vacation for what you pay, and can be so affordable if you aren't too picky.

The thing I love is that you can book with only a deposit, and you have X amount of time to pay up to 90 days before. For my family this is perfect. We can book a cruise a year ahead and set ourseves on a budget each month to "pay as we go". If we can't go, we can cancel up to 90 days before, and we have the entire year to plan, shop, and anticipate!

My husband and I are not made of money, but we are able to cruise at least every other year together. I know this economy is bad but with cruising so affordable and so fun, why haven't more people cruised?? Everyone at work knows I am Pro Cruise, and I am spreading the bug around my facility!!

Why do you think more people haven't caught on?

Well...in the UK for instance we have different deposit arrangements, P&O want 15%, & basically if you cancel you lose it (you can transfer but with limitations). People don't understand cruising, I have spoken to people who are adamantly against it "being stuck on a ship" is the attitude...or if you want to go the the Med. just fly there, why spend days on "stuck" on a ship?
I try to explain that the ship IS the holiday & where you are going is like a side trip or day out from your base(the ship). We went on a short cruise recently with some non-cruisers, they showed little interest in the ship, they just wanted to get to where we were going, it could have been a ferry, a method of transport. We were pleased we had daylight & good weather for the sail out of Southampton but they really didn't notice, on our first cruise from our home port we were so enthralled that we missed dinner, couldn't tear ourselves away from the rail!

LisaK October 21st, 2011 08:46 AM

I think that John hit it right, a lot of people don't understand cruising and do have that stuck on a ship frame of mind, and also there are a lot of people who won't even consider cruising because they will think themselves seasick just because they are on a ship.

Moiraine October 21st, 2011 08:53 AM

I agree. You either have the cruise bug or you don't. My brother and sister in law recently took a cruise. It was a miracle she got him on a ship...but she won't a second time. It's too bad because she has the bug and he doesn't.

KDGodwin October 21st, 2011 09:00 AM

I see. I know for myself the destinations are almost second to the cruise itself! I took a short 3 day a few years back to Catalina and Ensanada and never got off the ship!

My husband and I went in with my sister in-law and her husband to send his parents on the same 3 day, and they did not enjoy it. They are very conservative and do not drink or gamble, so I think they would have enjoyed another line better (Carnival is a party ship IMO).

I didn't even think about people getting motion sickness. Good point. I never have been, but if I did I would be part of the "patch behind the ear" clan! :)

Sistersolo October 21st, 2011 09:30 AM

I've never had any kind of motion sickness in my life, but the idea of taking a cruise never even crossed my mind until I was SIXTY YEARS OLD! Even then, it was not the cruise itself that I was after, as much as a way to vacation with my married children without constantly being in each other's pockets.

I think that if you don't know anyone who does it, you just don't think of it. So like you, Krista, I now rave about cruising to everyone and especially mention it being a bargain. Some people have been turned on to it; most who haven't say they are afraid of being out on the ocean.

Possibly part of the problem is the mind-set that you go somewhere for a vacation; but with cruising, the getting there (and back) is the vacation.

Kamloops Cruiser October 21st, 2011 09:53 AM

We usually cruise to get away from it all . No phones or other interruptions from friends/family . Also the cruise is a chance to get a sunshine break during our long dark winters (Canada):cool: . If also gives the DW a rest from cooking , cleaning etc. We both have the cruising bugs but money is sometimes a little short.:confused:

johnthed0g October 21st, 2011 10:05 AM

At the moment we have seen a 35 night round trip in 2013, Southampton/Caribbean/Southampton...itinery to die for, obviously a lot of days at sea transatlantic...but if you can relax they are OK here. Apart from the cost & looking after pets the main problem for us is cabin choice, the only really nice cabins are suites & mini -suites & as you can imagine are very expensive, so thankfully they are sold out! There was an inside near an open deck space which we were thinking of...but it's still inside & we don't think we could spend all that money on a cruise where we dread returning to the cabin. The difference in cost between an outside & a balcony is not really an issue on a cruise of that length, but even those cabins are really small, the balcony is little more than a window box....I dunno...

Trip October 21st, 2011 10:31 AM

The details tell the tale that, the majority of people have not cruised,and there are various reasons. We are so entrenched in our "cruise world" happily so, that, we can't wrap our heads around why someone may not have the least bit interest, in what we so enjoy.

Pre~conceived notions from the Fun cruise era....I have to eat at 6pm...I don't want to.....I feel like cattle....too many people.....I want to see land...loud obnoxious drinking crowds....seasickness.....I will be bored....
noro virus....germs....the list goes on for many people..like my son!:shock: All these things have changed over the years, but........!

Time off is precious,and for many cruising is not on their to do list. So, for us, who so enjoy all the apsects cruising, we shakeour heads, but, that's ok. That's why Heinz makes 57;)

Moiraine October 21st, 2011 10:41 AM

I've heard the word Titanic quite a few times......

johnthed0g October 21st, 2011 10:53 AM

I have a similar problem with destinations, people who go somewhere regularly don't even THINK that what is normal to them could appear ominous to newcomers....take Caribbean islands, & I am speaking generally here not personally, BUT to some a group of noisy young black youths would give cause for concern, but if you are used to the area it is of no consequence. People get SO possessive over their personal holiday arrangements they lose the bigger picture, you are advising other people of what MAY suit THEM not just saying "I like this so should you!"
I specialise in Barbados for instance although I am a bit out of touch, the big thing with regulars there is saying the island is "safe" ....nowhere is "safe"...it may well be SAFER than other places but if you tell people somewhere is "Safe" they take you at your word (or some do) & think they can walk about anywhere at anytime of day wearing valuables of such apparent opulence that they are worth stealing. They don't seem to realise that few drug riddled potentional robbers can tell a fake watch or jewellery from the genuine article & will treat you the same.

Mike M October 21st, 2011 11:57 AM

This is a good question and topic.

One problem with us talking about why people don't cruise is that "most" of us are hard core cruise addicts and can't understand why someone couldn't love it. It's like cats. I don't dislike cats but I'm not a cat person. Some people love them but even though I've had cats for many years I never really "connected" with them. Some folks don't connect with cruising.

One reason is that different people enjoy different things. I personally have no desire to go to Disney World without children. Other adults love it and go even though they don't have children. I am not a fan of theme parks in general.

I have friends and relatives that have a "perception" of cruising as boring and for older people. Or they think it is one big frat party. Others have a somewhat "snobbish" attitude that cruising isn't really traveling because you rarely stay in a port more than eight hours.

I can somewhat agree with the last one but there are more and more destination oriented itineraries that cruise lines are now putting on their schedule. Four or five years ago you would have never seen Carnival with an itinerary like the Cruisemates Carnival Breeze Mediterranean Cruise with overnight stops in Venice and Rome.

I am fighting back and have talked a number of my friends and family into trying cruising and right now I'm having about a 50% success rate. This coming March I have ten friends and family members going on a friends and family cruise and they all are first time cruisers. We'll see how that goes. The only real problem I foresee is that a number of them are used to All Inclusives and when they hear the cost of a drink they go into shock but I point out to them the cost they are paying for a week cruise vs. the cost of a week in a four star AI. I think it will be more fun and the overall cost will be equal or less.

As I said earlier it's a matter or perception and individual taste. There are some who will love it and others that won't.

Take care,
Mike

johnthed0g October 21st, 2011 03:22 PM

I have had people call me a snob because I like a balcony...they think it's being elitist in some way, but the way I see it is on modern ships there are more outside/balcony cabins so in fact they are the norm, & those choosing anything else are the odd one's out either by paying more for a suite or less for an inside.
Well it's a point of view anyway!! People also call me a snob because I say if the ship has a dress code then respect it.

Moiraine October 21st, 2011 03:34 PM

John, I think people should have what tthey want and can afford. I can't afford a balcony but i have no bones with anyone who can. You are not a snob. Enjoy the balcony.

colorcrazie October 21st, 2011 04:03 PM

I also think that a lot of people have seen cruise line brochures that give full price and think that cruises are too expensive. Do my best to dispell that notion and others! And many of my friends think that the dressing up every night for dinner ala Love Boat is required. So many things have changed in cruising as in other aspects of life. And, I do think that people will go on whatever vacations they are familiar with. A lot of people seem to be ridiculously afraid of foreign cultures. To me, that's the whole point of traveling.
Marty

johnthed0g October 21st, 2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Moiraine (Post 1397892)
John, I think people should have what tthey want and can afford. I can't afford a balcony but i have no bones with anyone who can. You are not a snob. Enjoy the balcony.

Ah yes, but the trouble is that some people resent those who have a balcony & imply or actually state that because they do they are snobs...there is a phenomena I call ''reverse snobbery'' where people who have a cheaper cabin or hotel somehow look down on those who choose a "better one". I really don't care what cabins other people have, but I do find it a bit irritating if someone keeps either trying to impress by continually mentioning ''the suite'' or even (& actually more common) keep saying ''we have an inside cabin because we only use it for basic functions''.

twoAlaskans October 21st, 2011 04:43 PM

So maybe we should not have gotten that balcony for our first cruise? LOL funny to us...

colorcrazie October 21st, 2011 04:47 PM

Krista,
Just an FYI. I find the lavender print font color very hard to read. I am interested in your posts, so I muddle through it, but it just doesn't show up very well, at least on my screen.
Marty

Trip October 21st, 2011 05:04 PM

Krista we can change sizes,& make the font BOLD too:)

johnthed0g October 21st, 2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by twoAlaskans (Post 1397898)
So maybe we should not have gotten that balcony for our first cruise? LOL funny to us...

People have whatever suits them & their pocket, nobody else's business, they have all these grades for reasons, some just want the cheapest, some want to have something more from their accommodation..choices.

Lakers Fan October 21st, 2011 09:14 PM

IMHO ,cruising is the best way to travel .Many of our friends cruise ,however ,our closest friends do not and we cannot convince them to try .

Manuel October 21st, 2011 09:22 PM

I have some friends who cannot envision what a ship actually is. They think of ships as something like a little fishing boat.
To me it's a cruise is a great way to relax and it's also the most affordable vacation.

TM

Lakers Fan October 21st, 2011 09:27 PM

One of my SIL's wants to sail from NY to England .I would love to do that (and sail back)

KDGodwin October 22nd, 2011 02:25 AM

That never occurred to me! I picked the Pink because I thought it suited my personality! ;) It also stood out in a chain of comments, at least on my screen. Thank you for letting me know! I will miss the pink though. :(
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Originally Posted by colorcrazie (Post 1397900)
Krista,
Just an FYI. I find the lavender print font color very hard to read. I am interested in your posts, so I muddle through it, but it just doesn't show up very well, at least on my screen.
Marty


johnthed0g October 22nd, 2011 07:59 AM

The main things I come across are ..."stuck on a ship" they seem to think you are at sea for an endless period, "dressing up" they assume it's white tie & tails all the time, ''forced fun'' they think it's all chuck 'em in the pool & belly flops, they imagine long queues for everything, eating with strangers also gives some the terrors...I don't see this at all, but you do get this a lot...''my wife & I only sit together''...why? terminal flatulence maybe? You HAVE to be a social animal to cruise I suppose. Tips put some Brits off...embarrassment as much as anything, we just don't do it to the extent that Americans do, some really resent the practice & march down to ''have them removed''. About the only point I do see is "not long enough in ports".

Trip October 22nd, 2011 08:42 AM

First try just bolding the pink font, by hitting the B right above...

KDGodwin October 22nd, 2011 09:04 AM

Thanks Trip! Purple will work though. I will just leave my name Pink. :) The dress I want for my upcoming cruise is purple, so it's fitting. ;)

colorcrazie October 22nd, 2011 03:45 PM

Thanks, Krista.
I too love pink, just don't love reading it!:D And I adore purple, so we're good.
Marty

AR October 23rd, 2011 05:34 PM

Many of you have made some interesting comments, but unless I missed it, everybody's overlooked the most obvious reason.

According to the Census Bureau, in 2009 (the last year for which data is available), the median family income in the US (meaning as many people below the number as above) was $49,777. Round it off to 50 grand.

Of the total families in America, 13% made less than $15,000 a year; 11.9% made 15-25k; 11.1% made 25-35k; and 14.1% made 35-50k. Then of course there's that 9% who are unemployed, so I reckon that "less than $15,000" bracket is swelling substantially.

Somebody said "we're not made of money," but I think it's obvious that a goodly percentage of our countrymen are so thoroughly "not made of money" that cruising would never be close to possible even if it were their dream adventure of a lifetime.

I'm not going to try to guess at which income bracket cruising becomes a practical impossibility, although I think from these numbers it obviously exists--especially when we remember again that these stats are for families, not individuals. I'd say it would be a stretch for many families below the median income to cruise. Then there are those that might make something close to that 50K, but are underwater in their houses, have kids to put through school, have outrageous medical expenses. Cruising for these people is absolutely out of the question, financially and probably psychologically as well.

So when you add to the 17% who do cruise the percentage that can't possibly swing it, the number who choose not to do it for other reasons becomes much smaller.

I've often wondered why so many who do cruise essentially restrict themselves to the Caribbean, which I personally find the absolute least interesting place to visit. Only two answers come to mind: financial constraints (these seem to be by far the cheapest cruises), and limited vacation time (they also tend to be the shorter runs). But even cheap Caribbean fares would be out of the question to many many millions of people.

This board is a self-selected group of people who are essentially cruise addicts. In no way are those who post and lurk here representative of the public as a whole. I tend to side with Mike: I like cruising, but I'm keenly aware of its many drawbacks and therefore tend to take more land vacations than cruise vacations. But I still enjoy being aboard ship. That makes me unusual around here. A huge percentage of people here cruise to the exclusion of all other travel, and a significant number of them seldom venture beyond the Caribbean.

To each his own, but that's clearly not representative of the population, and it never will be. People will decline to cruise for all the reasons mentioned in this string, plus the elephant in the room: money. We like to think cruising is economical, and it is compared to some other kinds of travel. But it is still well beyond the means of many.

So if you're able to climb aboard a ship once in a while, just count your blessings.

johnthed0g October 23rd, 2011 06:19 PM

AR...very interesting.
I have said a similar thing on UK forums...that is that although WE see cruising as good value, for one heck of a lot of people it is just TOO MUCH MONEY never mind what good value we think it is. I have tried to explain this to no avail people JUST don't get this, because as you say AR, they are SO entrenched into cruising & talking (online, they have no real friends) about it they become enveloped in a sort of bubble where everyone has the money. They can't see why not everyone can do a world cruise & say things like "they just have to save up & not spend out on new cars, smoking & take away food'' if I say that some people cannot save money they have trouble getting through the month, they just don't get it. Down the other end, we recently did a weekend cruise it cost about 185 each..not bad value but to ordinary working people it would be just far too much money & a ridiculous amount for two days.


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