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A guy who went with us on our last cruise just called and said a local, (New Orleans), network reported a passenger missing off the Fantasy today. Reportedly they are looking in the MS river and 20 mi. into the Gulf of Mexico. I'll see what I can find out and let you know.
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Until the facts are known, I wouldn't rule out foul play. Keep in mind that not every "missing" person is a drunk fool who fell overboard or someone committing cruis-icide (my own term for committing suicide by jumping from a cruise ship). Case in point, that newlywed a few years ago whose blood was found but his body never was.
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Michelle that newlywed was probably so drunk and stumbled off the ship.

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Until the facts are known, I wouldn't rule out foul play. Keep in mind that not every "missing" person is a drunk fool who fell overboard or someone committing cruis-icide (my own term for committing suicide by jumping from a cruise ship). Case in point, that newlywed a few years ago whose blood was found but his body never was.
Michelle, nobody said Drunk fool. Just a fool.
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It is reported that the gentleman was 77 years old. Since his safety lock on this cabin door was secure, so foul play is suspected.

A young lady had a chance to chat with him before the incident and it seems that after 40+ years of a wonderful marriage, his wife passed away. He remarried and the second wife cleaned him out financially.
She did say he sounded and acted depressed, so it is probably a suicide.

He was alone on this cruise. It is sad.
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That's horrible. I feel so bad for his family. Not the gold-digging 2nd wife but any kids, siblings, etc.
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ME too -- and I have to admit that I believe honestly that all of us at some time or another has thought (just thought) about suicide. Myself included - except I'm to chicken - and think about what I(you) would leave behind and the heartaches of the family. You have to have a screw loose of some kind to carry it out. Just IHO - so don't slam me.
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The Coast Guard is looking for a 77-year-old man believed to have jumped or fallen from the Carnival Cruise ship Fantasy.

Coast guard Spokesman Alex Yuille says he went missing yesterday morning as the ship was coming into the Mississippi River from the Gulf of Mexico.

He says they don't know what caused the man to "leave the ship."

Yuille says they learned as much as they could about why the man left the ship, and he says while the man may have jumped from the ship, the Coast Guard has reason to believe that he jumped.

He says, "His door was locked from the inside, and he was drinking. And I believe he had three days to live."

Yuille says the coast guard is now searching the waters where the Mississippi River and the Gulf meet which is where the ship was around 4 a.m. yesterday when the man disappeared.

He says they'll conduct a search all day today with helicopters and boats to try to locate the man.
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Until the facts are known, I wouldn't rule out foul play. Keep in mind that not every "missing" person is a drunk fool who fell overboard or someone committing cruis-icide (my own term for committing suicide by jumping from a cruise ship). Case in point, that newlywed a few years ago whose blood was found but his body never was.
Great word -- "cruisi-cide".

Do you mind if I use it on occasion? This type of thing happens ever so often.

It is anyone of our guess as to why. It is unfortunate and I kind of hope he doesn't have any family to spend the rest of their days wondering "what if I had. . . "

I am sorry for him but unless he did this in the case of a terminal illness and to save his family the burden of expensive and futile medical care and subsequent funeral costs, suicide is the most selfish and cowardly act there is. If there are family members to mourn him and he didn't have an atruist reason for ending his life, I will save my sympathies for the family that is being ravaged by his (possibly) self-serving act of total defeat.

From what I read, he had one happy long-term marriage and then re-married badly and lost a lot of money to the second wife. Well, guess what!!! Newsflash, a lot of people don't get the first great marriage and manage to carry on. Even more people get financially devastated by divorce and continue to inhale and exhale.

If he got to be 77 before he was put in a "hopeless" situation, I think he spent his years blessed. For a lot of people, "hopeless" is a normal state of being.
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Until the facts are known, I wouldn't rule out foul play. Keep in mind that not every "missing" person is a drunk fool who fell overboard or someone committing cruis-icide (my own term for committing suicide by jumping from a cruise ship). Case in point, that newlywed a few years ago whose blood was found but his body never was.
Great word -- "cruisi-cide".

Do you mind if I use it on occasion? This type of thing happens ever so often.

It is anyone of our guess as to why. It is unfortunate and I kind of hope he doesn't have any family to spend the rest of their days wondering "what if I had. . . "

I am sorry for him but unless he did this in the case of a terminal illness and to save his family the burden of expensive and futile medical care and subsequent funeral costs, suicide is the most selfish and cowardly act there is. If there are family members to mourn him and he didn't have an atruist reason for ending his life, I will save my sympathies for the family that is being ravaged by his (possibly) self-serving act of total defeat.

From what I read, he had one happy long-term marriage and then re-married badly and lost a lot of money to the second wife. Well, guess what!!! Newsflash, a lot of people don't get the first great marriage and manage to carry on. Even more people get financially devastated by divorce and continue to inhale and exhale.

If he got to be 77 before he was put in a "hopeless" situation, I think he spent his years blessed. For a lot of people, "hopeless" is a normal state of being.
Be my guest - anyone can use the word, I don't have it copywrited

I have been through two divorces (in both of them I was the one who wanted out and did the filing) and I have had panic attacks due to financial hardship and unemployment thanks to the outsourcing of several of my previous jobs in IT to India. But I never once thought of suicide. You pick up your life, you file for bankruptcy if you have to and you move on. Things do eventually get better. My son has learned a lot of valuable lessons (as I did) by watching me successfully navigate these disappointments and difficult times. If the gentleman did have a terminal illness, I guess that's one way to end it and the financial burden on your family. I don't know if it's selfish - if his state of mind was so bad that he couldn't really make rational decisions, he probably thought he was doing what is best for any family he leaves behind. It's just sad though.
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Update: On late Sunday, the Associated Press reported the Coast Guard has suspended its search. A Coast Guard representative says a suicide note, detailing health problems, was found
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thats so sad! I wish people would think of what they do to their loved ones before they jump!
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I know many people think that someone who commits suicide is a coward but I personally think it takes immense courage to pull that trigger, crash that car or jump to one's death.
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Oh I agree - but I still with they would think of the ones they leave behind. I don't know how I would do it ------- FAST thats for sure! With my luck, I'd live!
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I saw a PBS film that focused on the Golden Gate Bridge in Frisco....
Seems to be a drawing card for those who want to jump...
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It is unfortunate that he decided to leave.
It is also unfortunate that he did it in such a manner as to cause a search for a couple days. I'm sure those people and assets could have been put to better use.

A Snoopy dance out a window or off a bridge would have been much more cost effective.
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The unfortunate gentleman was from the Hattiesburg area from my understanding. The local news suggest that he did have health issues. Hopefully the old chap is somewhere in Mexico having a beer with the local ladies, but sadly that isn't likely.
Isolated incidents such as this are misunderstood by those who have never been cruising. many think that one trip of the foot and it's overboard.
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Ship jumpers are one thing, but those on this board who jump to conclusions are starting to wear me slick!

A person is missing from a ship, the first thing we think of is they were drunk, or they are foolish?

Does anyone really beleive that a person who chooses to do this did so on just a whim, or was not in great pain?
You and I cruise on these ships, but at times I hear a little arrogance like we own them. How dare someone jump from a ship and ruin our vacation.

Pain and suffering is present all around us, even on a ship. Good people make bad choices when they feel pressure, even on a ship.
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Easy Rev,
No jumping to conclusions...there was a note.
As far as imposing on my vacation...you're darn right that makes me mad. I pay good money for the time I get to vacation. Time taken away from that is money taken away from me.

Plus, having to spend our tax dollars to look for him is a little selfish.

If a person is in such pain that they decide to leave...then go!



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If you're to that point you have mental health issues that need to be dealt with whether it's depression or a million other possibilities...If someone has terminal cancer, we feel a great deal of compassion for them. But if someone is mentally ill / suicidal, they are somehow selfish? Why do we think people who are mentally ill are any more able to "help it" than the person with cancer? What a joke that some people think these folks can just "snap out of it" somehow, realize their actions may hurt their loved ones and suddenly make a rational decison.
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OK -- lets change the subject!! I agree with Rev and Rinker....
Now........on to different post............
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I could not have preached it better myself.

A broken arm is very evident, a broken mind is more difficult to understand.


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If you are assuming that I think that folks with mental health issues can snap out of it...you are wrong.
I do think it is selfish to leave in such a manner that others will have to be affected.
I am also quite willing to offer a hand, a shoulder, a heart... while there is still someone to offer it to.
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People with mental health issues are sadly the most misunderstood patients. While yes it's a pain in the neck to have a trip disturbed by something so troubling you all must understand that people with depression etc are suffering from an ILLNESS!!!!! Under normal circumstances, these people would never act like this. It is beyond their control. Most mental ILLNESSES are a result of a chemical imbalance in the brain and must be treated accordingly. Ask my husband, his mother killed herself leaving behind 6 children the youngest who was 4 years old. She desperately loved her children. To this day, which is 30 years later, nobody can understand her decision except they all knew that she was very sick...

So as inconvenient as it is to delay your precious cruise to look for someone's body, how dare anyone cop such a lousy attitude and have some compassion for the poor victim and their family. Nastiness will never get you anywhere.

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Your right I have sympathy for him,But mainly I have sympathy for his loved ones and what they are going thru
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Do not judge me.

My best friend's wife suffered from MS for the last 5 years of her life. I watched her go from a vibrant healthy dancing whirlwind to a shell in constant pain and eventually unable to communicate.
She chose to give up the fight 2 years ago.

She did NOT wake up one day with mental illness and decide to go on a cruise. No one is SNAPPED INTO mental illness,just as they cannot be snapped out of it.. It is a slow and gradual process.

I am not nasty.
Stop reading for the phrase or wording that will help make your ill-advised point.

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Easy Rev,
No jumping to conclusions...there was a note.
As far as imposing on my vacation...you're darn right that makes me mad. I pay good money for the time I get to vacation. Time taken away from that is money taken away from me.

Plus, having to spend our tax dollars to look for him is a little selfish.

If a person is in such pain that they decide to leave...then go!



Dragging me down with them won't make it better.
Now THAT'S the Christmas spirit, Rinker lol.
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You ask to be judged when you write smack about if "a person wants to leave... then go!" Also the lovely comment about how selfish it is to use our tax dollars to search for him. So if your family member with MS decided to go off somewhere and leave you for whatever their reason and not tell you where they went.......just let them go because you wouldn't want to use precious money to search for them. Your comments are truly the most ridiculous statements I have read in a long time. Take a look in the mirror and see if you like what you see.
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