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Just stick with RCI and don't opt for anytime dining and you'll be fine. Enjoy your cruises.

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Exactly but why not the same thing on CCL.
Because Joe...different businesses are run differently. Just as there are different policies on dress codes, so are there on tipping. If you do not like the tipping policies that CCL operates under, you do not have to patronize the business. Case in point...I don't appreciate the fact that when I have a large party at a restaurant when we get gratuity automatically added to our bill simply because we have more than 6 people. Do I still go because I like the restaurant...yes. That said, I have the option to frequent other establishments that do not use this policy. You have the same option in your cruise line choice.
O.K I get it so for instance if CCL decided they wanted to tip the captain and charge you an extra $5.00 a day per person (because we know the captain deseves it) then that's alright? I will take your advice and not use CCL again because at this rate in the next ten years every crew person is going to be "tipped" by passengers including the captain.
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Oh wow this guy is confusing the heck out of me. S.S. Oceanlover I agree with the fact the RCI charges more for the same itinerary. I cruise on May 2, 2010 my price per person $489 for the Splendor which entered service in 2008. RCI would have charged me $599 per person for Marnier of the Seas which entered service in 2002. Why would I pay $100 more for a older ship. Plus Carnival let's me bring a bottle of wine per person. I like the auto tipping I don't have to hassle with envelopes or having the right change.

Here is the tipping guidelines from RCI website. When I add up the suggested tips I get $9.75 per day for stateroom and $12.00 for a suite. So Carnival's tips per day is about the same as RCI. If the OP doesn't like Auto tips he should just remove them from his credit card at the purser's desk. I guess I still don't understand how Carnival is ripping him off.
http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custom...34&faqType=faq
Q: What are gratuity guidelines for cruises?

A: So that you can thank those who have made your cruise vacation better than you could have imagined, we've developed these gratuity guidelines:
Suite attendant: $5.75 USD a day per guest
Stateroom attendant: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Dining Room Waiter: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Assistant Waiter: $2.00 USD a day per guest
Headwaiter: $.75 USD a day per guest
Note: These gratuities apply to guests of all ages.
Gratuities for other service personnel are at your discretion. A 15% gratuity will automatically be added to your bar bill or wine check when you are served.
One more time CCL C.ST. $3.50 per day RCCL C.ST.$3.50 per day CCL WA. $3.50 per day RCCL WA. $3.50 per day CCL ASST. WA. $2.00 per day RCCL ASST. WA. $2.00 per day. I did not mention the Head Waiter because this tip is not part of the auto tip deductions on CCL or (RCCL optional tipping service ) CCL $1.00 per day for misc. kitchen workers RCCL $0.00. CCL total $70.00 auto tipping RCCL optional tipping $63.00. I heard a joke going aroung when I was on Glory that the most exciting activity at sea was the bean bag throwing contest. Not trying to compare BUT!3 years ago I took my grandchildren on Navigator after the cruise I asked each of them what did they like most about the ship? Was it the rock climbing, ice skating show, minature golf, Johnny Rockets, roller blading,24Hrs cookies cakes pies pizza or to be at the Mardi Gras on the street that runs the length of the ship? Remember you pay for what you get. Good luck!
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OMG! I cant believe all this posting about basically one extra dollar!? If you are unhappy/dissatisfied with Carnival...don't sail with them!


This post is only food for thought and it's $7.00 per person and as it is your money it is also my money. I will not travel CCL again It's not about the money it's that I do not like getting ripped off. If you read some of my posts you would know Glory was my nineteenth cruise and I can more then afford nineteen more but the subject is being ripped off be it a $1.00 or $1,000.00
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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Thank you someone finally gets it and it is $7.00 per person per week. In other words I took my wife and 10 y/o niece it was an additional $21.00 for what once was salary jobs 5 years ago that now are called tips. Once again thank you!
Okay I had written three posts, but I deleted them all because I don't understand you point at first.


You are saying that Carnival charged you $10 per day in auto tips and $1 per day in a Service Charge for a total of $70+$7+$77 per person for the whole seven day cruise. This is new and I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Were you allow to remove the $7 service charge? Did they explain what this charge was for? At first I don't see the point of your post. But now that I understand it was an additional $7 per person on top of the auto tips your posts make more sense to me.
$63.00+$7.00=$70.00 Yes you have the right to have it removed. After I asked it was then explained. I have no problem with auto tipping but that does not give CCL the right have Carte Blanche on the spending of my money under the heading of tips. $7.00 today I bet it will be $9.00 next year because most people here are fine with it and don't complain to put a stop to it.
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Okay I have read along this thread. My opinion is the OP is not complaining about the $7 service charge. He is complaining over a quarter per day. Why do I say that? Because if he is tipping according to RCI's guidelines (see post above) he should be tipping $9.75 per day. So all this issue is over .25 cent per day or $1.75 for a seven day cruise. I can't beleive I spent this much time on $1.75.

I just think he doesn't like the auto tipping policy and is concerned that Carnival has control over his credit card. But even that is odd, because he can establish a cash account and not put anything on the credit card at all. Using words like "ripoff" and "double charge" are extreme and in my opinion incorrect.

For one thing you should be tipping by service; not by person. What if I go to the hair salon on both formal nights and I have the same stylist by both tiimes by OP's logic I shouldn't tip that person a second time, because that person already recieved a tip from me. That doesn't make sense to me. If I'm eating at the buffet or in the dining room for breakfast and lunch I'm recieving additional services and additional tips are required. That's my .2 cents worth.
You're wrong I have no problem with auto tipping it's what they consider a tip and I know CCL can not control my credit card I can turn on the T.V. and check my account anytime. O.K I get it so if someone spills a drink in the casino and an employee wipes it up before I step in it he deserves a tip or the guy standing at the door of the disco he deserve a tip the people who bus the tables in the Red sail give them a tip or the people at the purser desk who are very helpful give them a tip too. OK I get it thanks. Please read my other post and replies I have a headache.
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You're wrong I have no problem with auto tipping it's what they consider a tip and I know CCL can not control my credit card I can turn on the T.V. and check my account anytime. O.K I get it so if someone spills a drink in the casino and an employee wipes it up before I step in it he deserves a tip or the guy standing at the door of the disco he deserve a tip the people who bus the tables in the Red sail give them a tip or the people at the purser desk who are very helpful give them a tip too. OK I get it thanks. Please read my other post and replies I have a headache.
The people busing the Lido tables do get part of that $1, as they should.

Same with the people who roll the beverage carts around in the morning.

The rest goes to me for reading this thread.
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I thought he said it was a $7 upfront charge per person and that it isn't mentioned in the tipping guidelines. I don't know if that is correct and $7 isn't much, but who here does not scour their final bill for any unforeseen charges? I know I do.

If I saw an odd $21 on my bill I wasn't expecting for a service charge I didn't think I received the service for I would mention it to the front desk. I am guessing that is what Joe did, and he was told it was for deckhands and bellmen. That's a new one on me and it is a valid point to mention it here.

You're OK Joe. Don't worry about the snide comments. Some things like $7 seem small, but it is how they are done that counts. It all adds into your cruise experience.
I don't see where the comments are 'snide' just incredulous that someone could invest this much time and energy over $7. If it bothers him that much he should opt out of the gratuity system.
Some things are worth disputing and some are just not, particularly when the OP does not seem to grasp what these charges are and how they are broken down. Numerous posters have tried to explain this - that he is not being double charged, but - -- I give up! Not snide, just bemused that someone gets bent out of shape over this when the remedy is easily available to him..


And he titled this thread 'Watch out for Rip-offs' - a bit of hyperbole considering it's $7 ....
Food for thought only and $7.00 is not you STANDARD gratuity under the guidelines. And I'm not disputing TIPS. One more time CCL $3.50 $2.00 $3.50+$1.00 RCCL $3.50 $2,00 $3.50 $0.00 Now you do the math. The $1.00 represents the jobs you are paying for that 5 years ago was part of the price of the cruise and is still part of the price of the cruise on other cruiselines. Please read my other posts and replies maybe than you and others will get it.
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Joe,

Here are RCCL guidelines:

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custom...34&faqType=faq

Stateroom attendant: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Dining Room Waiter: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Assistant Waiter: $2.00 USD a day per guest
Headwaiter: $.75 USD a day per guest

I did the math and come up with $9.75/day.

The 25 cent difference is because tipping is not required at Johnny Rockets.

I think you are in for a real shock the next time you cruise RCCL.
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I heard a joke going aroung when I was on Glory that the most exciting activity at sea was the bean bag throwing contest. Not trying to compare BUT!3 years ago I took my grandchildren on Navigator after the cruise I asked each of them what did they like most about the ship? Was it the rock climbing, ice skating show, minature golf, Johnny Rockets, roller blading,24Hrs cookies cakes pies pizza or to be at the Mardi Gras on the street that runs the length of the ship? Remember you pay for what you get. Good luck!
Hi Joe I want to take your comments in two parts. I will take your last part first. I would have a completely different opinion of RCI if I were sailing on the ships you are sailing on. This is not meant as a snide comment I don't take anything you have said to me to be a snide comment. I beleive us to be two people debating a topic I hope you see this the same way. I like a good debate.

Okay out here on the West Coast the RCI ships we recieve are quite a bit different then the wonderful Freedom Class ships you have cruising out of Florida. RCI sends the old junky ships out here. These ships don't have all this wonderful stuff avialable on the Freedom of the seas and the Liberty of the Seas. Out here we have Radiance of the Seas, Marnier of the seas, oh see I was going to add another ship, but there are only two out here. Mariner of the seas just came out here this year and is the nicest and newest RCI ship out here. It has the rock climbing wall, the parade area, I think it has the ice rink, it does not have the flowrider. So sailing out of California on RCI is quite a bit different then sailing out of Florida. Shoot they have the Oasis of the seas coming out and they aren't even tossing us California cruisers Freedom of the seas. Your kids would not be as happy sailing on the Radiance of the seas no ice rink, no flowrider, I'm not sure if they could have the pleasure of paying an extra charge to eat at Johnny Rockets or not. I'm guessing the Radiance of the Seas does not have a Johnny Rockets.
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I asked about this on my 2006 Statendam, Asia, cruise. We were lucky enough to be at the Captain's table for the duration of this cruise. I asked the Hotel Manager, Deidrik Van Regermorter, where the additional amount goes.

He responded that this money is distributed to non-tipped, lower paid, service staff who also make your cruise more enjoyable. He specifically mentioned the dishwashers; entry level waiters in the buffet and the laundry.

He said that when the final distribution is made it isn't a large amount of money for these people but it does give them added compensation. He did not give me a dollar amount.

I personally doubt that after the distribution anyone would receive more than $25 - $50 per month but it's better than nothing and it's nice to know that the behind the scenes, lower paid, crew receive something.

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As a one time buisiness owner when I started my buisiness I looked at my overall expenses and charged my customers accordingly to cover my overhead that is including salaries. As with cruiselines that charge fuel surcharges or port charges (overhead). 5 years ago these fees or "tips" were part of your cruise price. Now this is what we call in the the business creative billing. Why not raise the price of the cruise I could respect that oh I forgot CCL is suppose to to the cheaper cruiseline. It's what I said from the start it is subsidizing there payroll in the name of tips CCL or one of its affiliates (Holland America). Good luck cruising.
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We've always had the best of service. I always give these crew members & staff additional amounts. They work very hard and they deserve the best!
That's not the point and I agree they deserve every bit and more.
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I heard a joke going aroung when I was on Glory that the most exciting activity at sea was the bean bag throwing contest. Not trying to compare BUT!3 years ago I took my grandchildren on Navigator after the cruise I asked each of them what did they like most about the ship? Was it the rock climbing, ice skating show, minature golf, Johnny Rockets, roller blading,24Hrs cookies cakes pies pizza or to be at the Mardi Gras on the street that runs the length of the ship? Remember you pay for what you get. Good luck!
Hi Joe I want to take your comments in two parts. I will take your last part first. I would have a completely different opinion of RCI if I were sailing on the ships you are sailing on. This is not meant as a snide comment I don't take anything you have said to me to be a snide comment. I beleive us to be two people debating a topic I hope you see this the same way. I like a good debate.

Okay out here on the West Coast the RCI ships we recieve are quite a bit different then the wonderful Freedom Class ships you have cruising out of Florida. RCI sends the old junky ships out here. These ships don't have all this wonderful stuff avialable on the Freedom of the seas and the Liberty of the Seas. Out here we have Radiance of the Seas, Marnier of the seas, oh see I was going to add another ship, but there are only two out here. Mariner of the seas just came out here this year and is the nicest and newest RCI ship out here. It has the rock climbing wall, the parade area, I think it has the ice rink, it does not have the flowrider. So sailing out of California on RCI is quite a bit different then sailing out of Florida. Shoot they have the Oasis of the seas coming out and they aren't even tossing us California cruisers Freedom of the seas. Your kids would not be as happy sailing on the Radiance of the seas no ice rink, no flowrider, I'm not sure if they could have the pleasure of paying an extra charge to eat at Johnny Rockets or not. I'm guessing the Radiance of the Seas does not have a Johnny Rockets.
I would venture a guess and say the Radiance does have Johnny Rockets. We were on the Sovereign of the Seas last year before she was transfered or sold and the had a Johnny Rockets on there.

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Here is the tipping guidelines from RCI website. When I add up the suggested tips I get $9.75 per day for stateroom and $12.00 for a suite. So Carnival's tips per day is about the same as RCI. If the OP doesn't like Auto tips he should just remove them from his credit card at the purser's desk. I guess I still don't understand how Carnival is ripping him off.
http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custom...34&faqType=faq
Q: What are gratuity guidelines for cruises?

A: So that you can thank those who have made your cruise vacation better than you could have imagined, we've developed these gratuity guidelines:
Suite attendant: $5.75 USD a day per guest
Stateroom attendant: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Dining Room Waiter: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Assistant Waiter: $2.00 USD a day per guest
Headwaiter: $.75 USD a day per guest
Note: These gratuities apply to guests of all ages.
Gratuities for other service personnel are at your discretion. A 15% gratuity will automatically be added to your bar bill or wine check when you are served.
One more time CCL C.ST. $3.50 per day RCCL C.ST.$3.50 per day Same CCL WA. $3.50 per day RCCL WA. $3.50 per day Same CCL ASST. WA. $2.00 per day RCCL ASST. WA. $2.00 per day Same. I did not mention the Head Waiter because this tip is not part of the auto tip deductions on CCL or (RCCL optional tipping service ) CCL $1.00 per day for misc. kitchen workers RCCL $0.00. CCL total $70.00 auto tipping RCCL optional tipping $63.00.
Okay here is the second part
These are the tipping guidelines from RCL website (the link was included if you want to verify my facts). RCI expects you to tip the Head Waiter .75 cent per day. Carnival expects you to tip misc staff, $1 per day. All other tips are the same. It's $9.75 VS $10.00 all we are debating about now is who deserves the money more the head waiter or the Misc kitchen staff and do they deserve .75 cents or $1. If you are in a suite on RCI you are expected to tip $5.75 for the cabin steward not $3.50, so it some cases RCI expects you to tip more money then Carnival.

If Carnival didn't allow you to adjust or remove the tips I would agree with your point of view. If Carnival added an additional $7 per seven day cruise and did not explain why I would agree with your point of view. Since this is not the case I do not agree with your point of view. You can go to the purser's desk and have the $7 to misc staff remove and you could take $5.25 of it and tip the head waiter. Because you could do this I don't believe that Carnival is ripping you off or double charging you. I do wonder and I do thank you for bring this up. What does that $1 per day go to, is it the dishwasher, is it the head waiter. I think that is a very good question.
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I heard a joke going aroung when I was on Glory that the most exciting activity at sea was the bean bag throwing contest. Not trying to compare BUT!3 years ago I took my grandchildren on Navigator after the cruise I asked each of them what did they like most about the ship? Was it the rock climbing, ice skating show, minature golf, Johnny Rockets, roller blading,24Hrs cookies cakes pies pizza or to be at the Mardi Gras on the street that runs the length of the ship? Remember you pay for what you get. Good luck!
Hi Joe I want to take your comments in two parts. I will take your last part first. I would have a completely different opinion of RCI if I were sailing on the ships you are sailing on. This is not meant as a snide comment I don't take anything you have said to me to be a snide comment. I beleive us to be two people debating a topic I hope you see this the same way. I like a good debate.

Okay out here on the West Coast the RCI ships we recieve are quite a bit different then the wonderful Freedom Class ships you have cruising out of Florida. RCI sends the old junky ships out here. These ships don't have all this wonderful stuff avialable on the Freedom of the seas and the Liberty of the Seas. Out here we have Radiance of the Seas, Marnier of the seas, oh see I was going to add another ship, but there are only two out here. Mariner of the seas just came out here this year and is the nicest and newest RCI ship out here. It has the rock climbing wall, the parade area, I think it has the ice rink, it does not have the flowrider. So sailing out of California on RCI is quite a bit different then sailing out of Florida. Shoot they have the Oasis of the seas coming out and they aren't even tossing us California cruisers Freedom of the seas. Your kids would not be as happy sailing on the Radiance of the seas no ice rink, no flowrider, I'm not sure if they could have the pleasure of paying an extra charge to eat at Johnny Rockets or not. I'm guessing the Radiance of the Seas does not have a Johnny Rockets.
Yes that is a shame but I guess that's called greed. Make no mistake RCCL is high price but you sure do get a lot. I live in Florida (a N.J transplant) and the furthest port from me is about 4 hours so this makes it a little cheaper for me to cruise (no airfare) but the future for RCCL will be the Oasis and the Allure out of Florida. Not trying to compare the two lines but there are pictures of Oasis in RCCL message board and from Freedom to Oasis these are the future of cruising. I will be booking the Oasis with the grandkids the summer of 2010.
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Here is the tipping guidelines from RCI website. When I add up the suggested tips I get $9.75 per day for stateroom and $12.00 for a suite. So Carnival's tips per day is about the same as RCI. If the OP doesn't like Auto tips he should just remove them from his credit card at the purser's desk. I guess I still don't understand how Carnival is ripping him off.
http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custom...34&faqType=faq
Q: What are gratuity guidelines for cruises?

A: So that you can thank those who have made your cruise vacation better than you could have imagined, we've developed these gratuity guidelines:
Suite attendant: $5.75 USD a day per guest
Stateroom attendant: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Dining Room Waiter: $3.50 USD a day per guest
Assistant Waiter: $2.00 USD a day per guest
Headwaiter: $.75 USD a day per guest
Note: These gratuities apply to guests of all ages.
Gratuities for other service personnel are at your discretion. A 15% gratuity will automatically be added to your bar bill or wine check when you are served.
One more time CCL C.ST. $3.50 per day RCCL C.ST.$3.50 per day Same CCL WA. $3.50 per day RCCL WA. $3.50 per day Same CCL ASST. WA. $2.00 per day RCCL ASST. WA. $2.00 per day Same. I did not mention the Head Waiter because this tip is not part of the auto tip deductions on CCL or (RCCL optional tipping service ) CCL $1.00 per day for misc. kitchen workers RCCL $0.00. CCL total $70.00 auto tipping RCCL optional tipping $63.00.
Okay here is the second part
These are the tipping guidelines from RCL website (the link was included if you want to verify my facts). RCI expects you to tip the Head Waiter .75 cent per day. Carnival expects you to tip misc staff, $1 per day. All other tips are the same. It's $9.75 VS $10.00 all we are debating about now is who deserves the money more the head waiter or the Misc kitchen staff and do they deserve .75 cents or $1. If you are in a suite on RCI you are expected to tip $5.75 for the cabin steward not $3.50, so it some cases RCI expects you to tip more money then Carnival.

If Carnival didn't allow you to adjust or remove the tips I would agree with your point of view. If Carnival added an additional $7 per seven day cruise and did not explain why I would agree with your point of view. Since this is not the case I do not agree with your point of view. You can go to the purser's desk and have the $7 to misc staff remove and you could take $5.25 of it and tip the head waiter. Because you could do this I don't believe that Carnival is ripping you off or double charging you. I do wonder and I do thank you for bring this up. What does that $1 per day go to, is it the dishwasher, is it the head waiter. I think that is a very good question.
I did not include the head waiters tip on CCL but it is the same .75 also the suites in CCL are also $5.75. The reason I did not mention it because CCL do not automatically debit these charges only the base minimum tips and the extra $1.00 per day. I'm talking about AUTOCHARGING. NOT the amount NOT the ability to dispute but AUTOCHARGING with reckless abandon..
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Since I don't have kids and cruise out of California. My old butt couldn't get quarter of the way up the rock climbing wall. I'm way to cheap to pay extra for a steak or a hamburger and I like new ship Carnival is my cruiseline. I think our biggest differences have to do with point of view.
With kids and crusing from Florida RCI is a better fit for you. This is truly what I love about cruising, there is a cruise line to suit eveyone. I still wish RCI would send the Freedom of the Seas out here to cruise LA to Hawaii 14 days I could test it out. Maybe after 14 days I could make it halfway out the wall climbing wall. Part of the reason the big ships don't come out here is because they don't fit in the Panama Canal, they have to come the long way around.
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I would venture a guess and say the Radiance does have Johnny Rockets. We were on the Sovereign of the Seas last year before she was transfered or sold and the had a Johnny Rockets on there.
Bad venturing. RCI put a Rockets on the Sovereign but they didn't put one on all their ships. The Radiance does not have a Johnny Rockets, but it does have a Seaview Cafe.
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I did not include the head waiters tip on CCL but it is the same .75 also the suites in CCL are also $5.75. The reason I did not mention it because CCL do not automatically debit these charges only the base minimum tips and the extra $1.00 per day. I'm talking about AUTOCHARGING. NOT the amount NOT the ability to dispute but AUTOCHARGING with reckless abandon..
Which is it? The extra $1 or the auto-charging? CCL has no such 0.75 extra tip, recommended or not, so the differential is really only $0.25.

I imagine part of the 0.25 cents extra per day goes to the sushi servers, the servers at tea time, and others besides the bus people.

Do you think Carnival is stealing it and not distributing it? That would be insane.

Where the heck did the incorrect comparison of ship pictures come from?

Using adjectives like Rip Off, Reckless Abandon, etc are simply not true and only reduce your credibility.

Surveys suggest the vast majority of CCL cruisers prefer the current system. I know I do. Carnival isnt going to change it just to accommodate you.
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Joe,

I read all your posts and the issue is not the $7. or auto tipping but rather total tip should be $63. when you do the math however $70. is being charged.

So the $7. is going to non tip crew members.

If you do sail Carnival again you can always have the $7. removed I would think.

Everyone working on the ship work so hard and so many hours. However I understand your point too.

Who knows what the future holds could be all cruiselines will be auto tipping for the Captain. :evil:

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Originally Posted by "joecru I did not include the head waiters tip on CCL but it is the same .75 also the suites in CCL are also $5.75. The reason I did not mention it because CCL do not automatically debit these charges only the base minimum tips and the extra $1.00 per day. I'm talking about [b
AUTOCHARGING. NOT the amount NOT the ability to dispute but AUTOCHARGING with reckless abandon.[/b].
Now you're just grasping at straws and saying whatever you have toin order to make your point.

Where can I find this information that Carnival charges $.75 a day for the head waiter?

Where does it say that Carnival charges more for a suite to be serviced by the cabin steward?

autocharging with reckless abandon? It is well documented what autotips are charged and how they will be distributed. If you didn't agree why book?

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I've been sick and maybe the " bug " I've had has addled my mind or maybe I'm just plain dumb as hell-- but I thought at first the O.P. was complaining that some people were being double tipped--exp.--the busboys in the dining room doing double duty as bussers in the buffet, therefore raking in a tip for the dining room service and a tip for the buffet as well. ( they also handle luggage )
If all the problem is over $ 7.00 , which Carnival plainly states is for
" alternative services--distributed to other hotel and kitchen staff " then I would simply go to the pursers desk and politely have any part of, all of,
or the $ 7.00 that's causing such an uproar removed form my account.
When you go aboard, the tips are added to your account that day. Anytime you so desire, you can go to the pursers desk and have them removed. If you allow them to stay, they are NOT charged to you credit card that day--your final bill is calculated the last night, a statement sent to your cabin and if there's no dispute, then the amount is charged to your card .
For someone who supposedly cruised so much, it would seem that you should have a grasp of how things work now--not 12- 15 years ago.
Try going out for breakfast, paying the bill, tipping 15-20 % for breakfast, then lunch, then dinner-- don't go to Golden Coral for dinner--I'm talking about a nice restaurant-- do this for 7 full days and nights, add in the snacks, pizza, burgers, etc that's eaten between meals and see how much your bill and tips come to.
The information is all in Carnivals' website and printed in their brochure. There's no hidden charges. It's there and plain for anyone to see who takes the time to read it.
I'm not ion anyway trying to be anything except honest and upfront--but if you're so upset and unhappy with Carnival, I would simply take my business elsewhere---but--- be prepared to tip, or either exercise your right to have the tips removed or withheld from the staff.
Happy sailing and may the $ 7.00 come back to you many times over.
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Well I see the people on here do not get my point so this is my last comment. If I want to give my waiter let's say $4.50 a day and my stewart $5.50 a day I'm alright with that. My question is out of the $70.00 that is charged by CCL which is minimum tips for my services ($3.50,$2.00,$3.50,=$63.00) with and additional $7.00 being charged for each passenger for misc. Where is the $7.00 going? Are you sure it's a tip or is it subsidizing pay. When I questioned it I was told it was for the staff in the lido deck for bussing tables. Keep in mind theses workers are your assitance waiter. If you want to really find out, for those who have upcoming cruises on CCL or it's affiliates ask your assitant waiter (if you care about there treatment or pay) do they receive the extra tips? Maybe this is subsidizing there base pay for example 2500 passengers =$17,500.00 do the math. Someone replied that RCCL did the same thing, please go on RCCL.com and you will see you are wrong I just did Mariner last year and they gave me an option on how I wanted to pay (and they did not take it out without my approval) from my Sign and Sail or cash. Also if you choose
" just take it from my Sign and Sail" they give you a voucher to hand to your worker. One other thing for those that don't know CCL own Holland America Line, Cunard Line, Princess Cruises, Seabourn Cruise Line and Costa Cruises. and used to own NCL so if you witness this on any of these lines guess what it's still CCL. Keep in mind the object is the worker makes money not the cruisline. I owned a business for 17 years and I always made sure my employees got there tips furthermore I have never taken a tip or there tips.
Hey folks, I get it! This is the same reason I sometimes wonder about putting my restaurant server's tip on my credit card. You have to wonder if the whole thing actually gets to the worker you are ostensibly tipping. If you hand it over in cash [in an envelope in case there are cameras] the company doesn't get to handle the money and doesn't know how much the tip is.
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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.

Thank you someone finally gets it and it is $7.00 per person per week. In other words I took my wife and 10 y/o niece it was an additional $21.00 for what once was salary jobs 5 years ago that now are called tips. Once again thank you! People are trying make it seem like I disputing tipping not at all my problem is once you have let CCL (Big Brother) in control of your SSA account they took the liberty of placing other charges whether or not you agree or as (I see in most cases hear on this thread you understand). I also agree why not charge it up front. I guess that is one way to try and make your cost seem cheaper but charge more once you come through the door. Also beware of pictures example 5by7 pictures CCL $12.00 RCCL $7.50.
I just started reading this thread and was waiting for you to tip your hand. You clearly have. Haven't made it to the end but wanted to comment.

Obviously this is a bash-Carnival, praise RCI pulpit you're on. As stated, you can, with no problem or argument, have auto-tips removed at any time during your cruise at the purser's desk. You can also not pay the 15% grat. on drinks at the time you purchase them at any bar or waiter on the ship. There is a place on the receipt you sign that says you don't wish to pay the 15%. Good luck getting a drink in ANY bar ANY where that you don't tip your server.

I am really clear that you are not disputing tipping, just saying Carnival/aka "Big Brother" is bad and RCI is the way to go. Got it.
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Also charge $12.00 for pictures 5x7 (RCCL $7.50) portion out food in the Redsail Diner, No longer let you use coins and get coin paybacks in the casino (slot machine), offer a kids meal in the main dining room when you are paying full price for your kids (hot dogs hamburgers instead of filet mignon) ect. Why not just charge these from the base and I will respect that.
Carnival is not RCI and vice versa, so why the need to compare everything between these two cruise lines? Frankly Carnival is a better value in my book, and I am a diamond member on RCI. RCI has gone crazy over the past year on extra fees. Room service fees, charging for certain steaks in the main dining room, charging for certain juices, etc. They have also raised bar prices and photo prices. Don't rely on past experiences with RCI because they probably have changed since you last cruised with them.

I've never been forced to order from the kid's menu for my son while on a Carnival cruise, or any other cruise line for that matter. We've always had the option of his using the regular menu. If they assumed something and just handed your kid the child's menu, did you ask them to give the kid an adult menu?
Also, hello, these things are OFFERED, not forced because kids dig hot dogs, chicken nuggets and hamburgers. Filet Mignon...not so much.
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OMG! I cant believe all this posting about basically one extra dollar!? If you are unhappy/dissatisfied with Carnival...don't sail with them!


Holy Crap!!! You're a freaking genious! You have single-handedly solved this person's HUGE problem!
How can I ever repay you? Will $7 cover it?
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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Thank you someone finally gets it and it is $7.00 per person per week. In other words I took my wife and 10 y/o niece it was an additional $21.00 for what once was salary jobs 5 years ago that now are called tips. Once again thank you!
Okay I had written three posts, but I deleted them all because I don't understand you point at first.


You are saying that Carnival charged you $10 per day in auto tips and $1 per day in a Service Charge for a total of $70+$7+$77 per person for the whole seven day cruise. This is new and I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Were you allow to remove the $7 service charge? Did they explain what this charge was for? At first I don't see the point of your post. But now that I understand it was an additional $7 per person on top of the auto tips your posts make more sense to me.
$63.00+$7.00=$70.00 Yes you have the right to have it removed. After I asked it was then explained. I have no problem with auto tipping but that does not give CCL the right have Carte Blanche on the spending of my money under the heading of tips. $7.00 today I bet it will be $9.00 next year because most people here are fine with it and don't complain to put a stop to it.
They don't have Carte Blanche on your money, you do. You get to pick how much you pay for a cruise. You get to pick how much, if any, you tip. You get to pick how much you'll pay for air fare ( Oh, Holy Crap!-they're ripping me off on the baggage fees-and you don't get to take those off at the purser's desk...), etc...
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