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Carnival MAY find that their bars are busier without smoke floating around. The reaction should be easily and quickly ascertained.
That was brilliant! I bet they get a read on this really quickly too. I for one think bar revenue will decrease. Especially on the Fantasy Class ships. They left them no where to go at night but the Casino and Disco. Like us or not, Smoker's spend a lot of money on Carnival. I guess we will see how this plays out.
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Just curious, do you feel the same way about hotel chains in the US? Marriotts, Starwoods? aren't they all 100% non-smoking now? Or do you just pick hotels that still allow you to smoke in their rooms.
At a hotel you can walk outside or across the street.Hard to do on a ship.
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So, I guess you don't cruise?
Yes I do cruise! I have cruised twice this year, so far.

Carnival is not my favorite cruiseline, but I would consider booking a cruise in a smoke-free ship.

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At a hotel you can walk outside or across the street.Hard to do on a ship.
Well that doesn't make much sense seeing as on a ship you can just walk to the smoking section which they all have. Isn't that the same thing?
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Yes. But I was referring to the possibility of smoke free ships
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Imagine you are a non-smoker. You and your sweetie decide to have a special dinner outside on your balcony. You are just toasting with a glass of champagne. The guy on the next balcony decides it's a great time to light up that great cigar he's been saving for smoking during a gorgeous sunset.
What was Carnival thinking?
This happens now, so no change.

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At a hotel you can walk outside or across the street.Hard to do on a ship.
All of Carnival ships will still have outside areas where you can smoke. How is that any different?

The cigar bars have always been underutilized. Some were even used for tea time on sea days! Carnival can get a better return on that floorspace. That will help keep the costs of my cruises down and the value of my stock up.
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While we are non-smokers I don't begrudge smoking areas, too much. But what I have found is that we can't participate in many night clubbing type activities because we simply can't stand the smoke. I don't mind so much in the casino because that's the way any casino I've ever been in is. I don't spend that much time in the casino.
I think they need the smokers though because they seem to be the ones who spend the most money on drinks and in the casino.
I just wish there was no smoking in the cabins and on the balcony. We really enjoy the balcony.
Cant stand the smoke in a night club, but it is OK in the casino ???
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Yes I do cruise! I have cruised twice this year, so far.

Carnival is not my favorite cruiseline, but I would consider booking a cruise in a smoke-free ship.

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No smoking anywhere inside on P&O UK ships, limited outside but allowed on balconies. I think Cunard is the same.
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I have been bothered by smoke on the balcony just one time - and that was enough! I guess if it happens to often, I will just downgrade to a window room. Most smokers respect non smokers (I am an ex smoker - quit over 20 years ago). I steer clear of the smoke - and I sure hope just smoking on the balcony doesn't make things worse!! I agree with the poster above...maybe port side smokers...starbard side non smokers??? Will see.
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I have been bothered by smoke on the balcony just one time - and that was enough! I guess if it happens to often, I will just downgrade to a window room. Most smokers respect non smokers (I am an ex smoker - quit over 20 years ago). I steer clear of the smoke - and I sure hope just smoking on the balcony doesn't make things worse!! I agree with the poster above...maybe port side smokers...starbard side non smokers??? Will see.
I see an increase of balcony smokers due to the ban in the cabin. But, I don't think the impact will be as great as people anticipate. Although some are already booked as a smoker, it will also deter others from booking in a more expensive catagory JUST to have smoking rights.
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To me the worset part of this new policy is getting rid of the cigar bars. I am a smoker who has never smoked in our cabin, just way to small and we do not get balcony cabins so that is not an option for me. So mainly I just go to the area on the pool deck, but I can see that with having had problems in the past with finding a seat that it will probably be even worse now.
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And Ifor one sure hope I do not run into a nonsmoker in this area who want s to complain about the smoke, which has happenned on almost every cruise I have been on.
Nancy, as you know I am a very vocal non smoker, actually former smoker, 20 years in July! On occasion I have traveled with a smoker and will occasionally sit in the smoking section with her. While in this area I would not complain of the smoke, after all I am the intruder. If it gets to bother me too much I simply remove myself. Fair is fair.
The casino is my real problem, non smoking sections in the same room with smoking sections is a joke. Smoke drifts and still carries its dangers and stink. I like the slots but have stayed away from the casino for that reason.

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Nancy, as you know I am a very vocal non smoker, actually former smoker, 20 years in July! On occasion I have traveled with a smoker and will occasionally sit in the smoking section with her. While in this area I would not complain of the smoke, after all I am the intruder. If it gets to bother me too much I simply remove myself. Fair is fair.
The casino is my real problem, non smoking sections in the same room with smoking sections is a joke. Smoke drifts and still carries its dangers and stink. I like the slots but have stayed away from the casino for that reason.

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Laura, unfortunately there are non smokers who for what ever reason will be in the smoking section and complain those are people that I have aproblem with I sure don't mind a noncomplaining nonsmoker being in the are when they are with freinds/family.
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Everyone knows where this will all end. Someday there will be no smoking at all on cruise ships. Untill then, I am a non smoke but I have no problem with people smoking out on deck or in the designated areas. I just avoid those area. I guess I feel that smokers also have rights..............
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I for one always get a balcony because I do not like to smoke in my stateroom. Like home, don't smoke inside but on our patio. As far as one side of the ship being smoke free and the other side being smokers, is fine with me.

I have always tried to be respectful of non-smokers but when I am in the area where I can smoke, better not say something to me, you will most likely get a ear full.

Maybe some of the cruise ships should try a smoking casino in one area and a non-smoking in another. IMO, there are some very wasted area on the ship.

I read somewhere that some of the cruise lines tried non-smoking cruises but could not book them out so went back to offering smoking in certain areas.

Like someone else said earlier, CCL often does not enforce their polices so what makes you think they will enforce this one. One that comes to mind is the MDR, "No cut off or tank tops", well the last few cruises we went on, there were people dressed that way at our table.
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The reason they do not enforce the various policies is that they are concerned about those who will give them a bad rating on the cruise.Let me tell you that for the most part dress code will be enforced on Holland and Celebrity cruise lines and I will let you guess why.Why is smoking such a big deal on Carnival or would you like a true answer?
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The odds of your scenario are slim, especially with a cigar, don't fret over it.
Happens to me all time.. Dosent have to be a cigar, and only cigerettes, and it dosent have to be the "next door" balcony. It can be 3 or 4 balconys down or "upwind" of where im at and still smell it.
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I would think that non smokers would of been happier if smoking was allowed in the cabin and not on the balcony!

How about having designated smoking cabins like many hotels have? That way the non smoker doesn't have to put up with the smell of smoke?

What I hate is losing the sports bar, I like to watch football there while on a cruise and the aft pool bar was a smokers hangout too.

I guess if the cruiselines continue to restrict smokers then smokers will spend their vacation dollars on all inclusive resorts and other vacation options.

The breakdown might be 80% non smoker and 20% smokers but I bet that the smokers make up over 50% of the drink and gambling revenue!
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I was on the original Paradise back in 2000 and loved it. The non-smoking ship concept was great,(especially in the casino) but I guess it was a concept before it's time. I'm very glad to see that we are heading in that direction again. Eventually we will have a totaly non-smoking ship again. I remember former New York City Mayor Ed Koch saying something like this many years ago when he started enacting non-smoking laws in NYC. "If you wish to kill yourself by smoking, go right ahead, just don't do it around me".
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Well that doesn't make much sense seeing as on a ship you can just walk to the smoking section which they all have. Isn't that the same thing?
Im guessing you are very young and dont mind long walks. I have a roomie who smokes who has health issues, probably wouldnt get off at ports because too much walking.

To have to walk so far now to find a place to light up will be a bigger inconvenience. It is not like stepping out of your motel room and lighting up, you have to walk to one of a few designated places. We booked gty, so cant even try to get near a exit. We also booked before the policy changed.
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Maybe we should band drinking and a few other things.
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Am not trying to start anything on this thread and TRY very hard not to offend non-smokers when I light up. I smoke where I am suppose to when sailing.

I think someone posted the new rules started last month and more to follow years end.

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Smoking (including cigars) will be permitted in designated exterior open deck areas (starboard side) of all our ships. Additionally, smoking will also be allowed in the jazz clubs of the following ships: Carnival Destiny, Carnival Triumph, Carnival Victory, Carnival Spirit, Carnival Pride, Carnival Legend, Carnival Miracle, Carnival Conquest, Carnival Glory, Carnival Valor, Carnival Liberty, Carnival Freedom, and Carnival Splendor.
* All Spa suites and staterooms, inclusive of the balconies, are an entirely smoke-free environment.
* Effective December 1, 2011, smoking will be prohibited in all guest staterooms. Guests in balcony staterooms may smoke (including cigars) outside on their balcony.
Guests who smoke in their staterooms will be assessed a $250 cleaning and refreshing fee on their Sail & Sign account. Information on this fee is included in Carnival’s ticket contract.
Note: Electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes are only allowed in the designated smoking areas.
Now the last paragraph is stupid. If you know anything about e-cigarettes, there is NO second hand smoke or other harmful chemicals. I guess they don't want to offend a non-smoking by making them think that someone is smoking a real cigarette.
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Now the last paragraph is stupid. If you know anything about e-cigarettes, there is NO second hand smoke or other harmful chemicals. I guess they don't want to offend a non-smoking by making them think that someone is smoking a real cigarette.
I agree with you... the ecigs have been a blessing for me and are working. I do not even desire a cig. And I will use them in hotel rooms, in bathrooms, and even sneaked a puff in airports w/out any problems at all. There is no odor....no 2nd hand smoke, and I have used them on balconies of cruise ships as well...even went as far as talking to the neighbor onboard and asked if they were bothered at all when I "vap'd" on the balcony while they were out there... there comment was "That is great, I cant smell a thing and wish more smokers would use them...." !

Bottom line is CCL is adding that clause because they know good and well non smokers will still complain if they see anyone using anything that resembles a cigarette and they dont want to address every single complaint despite it not being legitimate when ecigs are being used.

Oh well.... I will keep using them on the ship, in the stateroom or on the balcony if I choose and not worry about it despite their policies. There is no way they will be able to charge me with a "cleanup fee" !
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Am not trying to start anything on this thread and TRY very hard not to offend non-smokers when I light up. I smoke where I am suppose to when sailing.

I think someone posted the new rules started last month and more to follow years end.



Now the last paragraph is stupid. If you know anything about e-cigarettes, there is NO second hand smoke or other harmful chemicals. I guess they don't want to offend a non-smoking by making them think that someone is smoking a real cigarette.
I believe that Carnival will allow E-Cigs everywhere except the dining room and main dining room...after the smoke settles. But right now, it is going to take all the staff and crews efforts to enforce this new rule.

Carnival is just trying to keep the staff and crew from wasting time checking out false leads. For the next few months, every time they see smoke somewhere that it isn't suppose to be...they are going to have to check it out.

Once the smoke settles and people understand the rules, I predict Carnival will allow the E-Cigs.

That is what E-Cigs are designed for and are perfect in this situation.
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I wish I could say that Carnival saw their responsibility as a "family" cruise line to stop the exposure of children to smoke.....but in truth, this is clearly a cost cutting measure.

With the new cruise ship emission standards coming out in 2012 that is going to cost Carnival A BUNDLE...anything that will reduce fuel cost is on the table. (which is why the Magic has the new cabin light restrictors)

Yes, the crew do a marvelous job cleaning a cabin after a smoker (99% of the time, you can not even tell a smoker has been in there). BUT in order to do this, they have to use the ozone machine that thing SUCKS electricity. It has to run for at least one hour in each cabin that has been smoked in.

And that is not counting the money spent on sprays, crew time etc.

And the additional cost when they get that occasional cabin that can't be cleaned (like one we got) which means the cost of the complaint. (ie trying to find them another cabin or other compensation)

As always, it is the bottom line....
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Btw, the number one entertainment venue when it comes to alcohol sales....

karaoke (which has been nonsmoking for years)...
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karaoke (which has been nonsmoking for years)...
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and you have facts and figures to back up that statement I assume ?

Actually John Heald just posted this fact ....either on his Blog or on Facebook....I will see if I can find it.

I am OCD about documentation and would never quote a fact like this unless it came from a reliable source...which John Heald is.

In fact, he posted it during all these changes in smoking regulations and to be perfectly honest...we were all a little shocked. I would have thought the Piano Bar would have been number one.
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Perhaps it is accurate...but I do not buy everything that John Heald shares..... he is nothing more than a spokesperson and cheerleader at best for CCL and provides info as told to by his bosses.
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I would think that non smokers would of been happier if smoking was allowed in the cabin and not on the balcony!

How about having designated smoking cabins like many hotels have? That way the non smoker doesn't have to put up with the smell of smoke?

What I hate is losing the sports bar, I like to watch football there while on a cruise and the aft pool bar was a smokers hangout too.

I guess if the cruiselines continue to restrict smokers then smokers will spend their vacation dollars on all inclusive resorts and other vacation options.

The breakdown might be 80% non smoker and 20% smokers but I bet that the smokers make up over 50% of the drink and gambling revenue!
I totally agree with you about the Sports Bars and the Revenue Breakdown. I liked to watch sports at the Cigar Bars on the Fantasy Class ships as they don't have Sports Bars. The Aft Pool Bar was a smoker's hangout as well on the Spirit Class ships on the Starboard side. Does anyone know if they are going to make that area Serenity (non-smoking) on all four of those ships?
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