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Zina February 10th, 2007 12:05 AM

Constellation Scandinavia & Russia, 6/30/07
Hello all,
We are booked on the Constellation, June 30, 14 night Scandinavia & Russia Cruise.
I was wondering if anyone has been on the constellation? What did you think of the ship?
Anyone been on this particular destination? If so, what did you think of the overall trip? Which port(s) was your favorite and why?
We will cruise out of Dover and we purchased the air from celebrity. Does anyone know if there will be someone from Celebrity at the airport to meet us? What is the length of travel from the airport to Dover?

Final question, Ladies, how the heck does someone pack for a 14night trip without over packing or bringing extra suitcases? I'd like to limit myself to one case per person in our cabin (there are 3 of us in an outside cabin).

Sorry for all the questions but, as you can tell, I'm excited and kind of anxious at the same time. :-?

Thank you for your time and help :)

1st time Celebrity Cruiser

Rev22:17 February 10th, 2007 12:30 AM

Re: Constellation Scandinavia & Russia, 6/30/07


Originally Posted by You
Hello all,
We are booked on the Constellation, June 30, 14 night Scandinavia & Russia Cruise.
I was wondering if anyone has been on the constellation? What did you think of the ship?

Fantastic ship!


Originally Posted by You
Anyone been on this particular destination? If so, what did you think of the overall trip? Which port(s) was your favorite and why?

Sorry, but I have not done that itinerary.


Originally Posted by You
We will cruise out of Dover and we purchased the air from celebrity. Does anyone know if there will be someone from Celebrity at the airport to meet us? What is the length of travel from the airport to Dover?

When you land in London, you will have to clear British immigration, claim your checked luggage, and clear British customs on your own. Celebrity representatives will greet you right outside the customs area to direct you to the transfer buses. Celebrity's air packages include the transfer from the airport to the pier and from the pier to the airport.


Originally Posted by You
Final question, Ladies, how the heck does someone pack for a 14night trip without over packing or bringing extra suitcases? I'd like to limit myself to one case per person in our cabin (there are 3 of us in an outside cabin).

There are packing lists for both gentlemen and ladies for a fourteen nght Celebrity cruise in the first post in this thread on the "Cruise Dress and Packing" board. For your destination, you might want to replace one swimsuit and a couple of the pairs of shorts in each list with an extra sweater or sweatshirt.

Now, forget about trying to cram each person's clothes into one suitcase, as that will get you into expensive trouble with the airlines. The airlines allow two checked suitcases plus a carry-on and a personal item for each passenger, but the checked suitcases are limited to fifty (50) pounds. If you bring only one suitcase and it's over that weight, they will charge you -- typically $20 or $25 if it's under seventy (70) pounds or $100 if it exceeds seventy (70) pounds. If you divide your clothes between two medium suitcases (I usually take a 26" roller back and a 22" roller back for a two week cruise), both will be within the weight limits. It's very easy to extend the handles of the roller backs, set your carry-on bag on one and your personal item on the other, take one in each hand, and be on your way.

Have a great cruise!


lysolqn February 10th, 2007 03:52 AM

Our cruise next month will be our fifth on Constellation, and two of the four Connie cruises we've already taken have been to the Baltic. The ship is our favorite in the X fleet and the Baltic is an incredible itinerary - as evidenced by our having done it two years in a row. It's an incredibly port intensive cruise but every port is well worth the effort.
With the exception of St. Petersburg, every port is tourist-friendly, accessable (walkable, or has easy to use public transportation or hop on/hop off tourist bus service) and easy to see on your own. In St. P organized tours are a must, whether you opt for ship-sponsored tours or book on your own through companies like Red October or DenRus - both of which we've used and both of which are excellent. I'd recommend you purchase a couple of good tour books (like Fodor) for Scandanavia and the Baltic and read as much as you can before you leave home. Also, you'd be amazed by the wealth of information available to you just by reading the Ports of Call forum for each port on this and other similar cruise forum websites. The forums contain invaluable information posted by people who have already been where you're going and you can learn a lot.
Re packing for a two week cruise - pack for 7 - 10 days and make use of the ship's valet service; it's quick and reasonably priced. With three in a cabin, storage space will be at a premium so try to limit those "just in case" items you probably won't really need. Keep everything color coordinated so you can mix and match and keep shoes to a minimum. Also, it's not a crime to wear something twice - or heaven forbid, even three times!
Enjoy your cruise!

scapel February 11th, 2007 08:52 PM

Baltic Sea Cruise Aboard the GTS Millennium

We flew out of Jackson, Ms July 10, 2000 connecting in Atlanta aboard Delta Airlines and only one hour late leaving Atlanta. Arriving Amsterdam, Netherlands at about 11:15 AM we took a blue and white bus from Schiphol Airport into town. Alternate arrangements would have been the train to the Central Station and a cab to the Grand Hotel. A cab from the Airport was quite expensive from what I have read. We had to walk with the luggage about one block since the bus did not let us off in front of the hotel. We met up with our friends from Blackpool, England and spent a wonderful time touring together. They are the ones that encouraged us to take this trip and it is the fourth time we have traveled together, after meeting on an Orient Cruise in 1997.

The Grand Westin Demure Hotel-Amsterdam was originally created as a convent in the 15th century before being converted by the city governors in 1578 to lodging for princes and great lords’, aptly called the Princes’ Court. The building served as the headquarters of the Amsterdam Admiralty for most of the 17th and 18th centuries, before becoming Amsterdam’s City Hall from 1808 to 1988. The following year, work started to transform the monumental City Hall into the five-star deluxe hotel it is today. The hotel is situated in the historic city-center, just a stone’s throw away from Dam Square and the Royal Palace and about 30 minutes from the Airport.
In Amsterdam we visited Anne Frank Huis, and a Modern Art Museum, and walked around the town visiting Dam Square and walked through the RLD. Took a Canal Boat tour, which I would recommend.
For dining, Alberto’s is an excellent restaurant in walking distance Argentina beef restaurant, but also had a very good fish soup so we dined there twice.
One night we had a very nice dinner at The Oriental City Restaurant on the corner of Damstraat and Oudezids-Voorburgwal, which was only a half block from the hotel. Café Roux in the Grand Hotel is run under the direction of renowned chef Albert Roux. The food was excellent and I understand that a relative Michel Roux possibly his brother is the director of the restaurant services aboard the Millennium.
Tour out of Amsterdam to the North to visit a cheese factory, some pottery making factory and an island where reclaimed land being done.

July 15,2000
Boarded Celebrity Cruise Line’s Millennium early at 1:30 PM after a short cab ride of about 10 min from the Grand Hotel. This was to be the second voyage of GTS Millennium. It was originally the third but the first was cancelled.
The ship is a magnificent product at 91,000 GRT and propelled by two electric Mermaid pods (4 fixed blades for each) She has three bow thrusters at 2350 KW each.
The ship is gas turbine driven. Marine diesel fuel is burned and the exhaust gasses are used to drive a high pressure turbine at 9500 rpm and power turbine at 3600 rpm. Turbines turn generators to produce electric power to propel the Mermaid pods and everything else on the ship.
Exhaust gasses are also used to boil water to steam and produce heat and hot water in a constant circulating system so that the showers have immediate hot water.
The ship has 10 elevators that are the fastest I have seen on a ship. Amidships, two of the four glass elevators are outside of the ship to give a very impressive view as well as a different sensation as the elevator goes up and you watch the waves go up or down.
In the ports we visited I would say thousands of people were on the banks to watch us. The ship must be an impressive sight sailing in or out of port.
The bow has a heliport for any emergencies.
We had a stern cabin with 271 sq.ft cabin and a 242 sq.ft veranda. We brought a clothes line along and hung clothes out to dry we had so much room. Don’t ask why you pay this much for a cabin and then wash your own clothes. It must be deep seated do it yourself instincts.
The restaurant has the two level eating arrangement with the central stairs and the ceiling to floor glass behind the captain’s table. A beautiful Venetian scene is electrically controlled to shade as well as the large round side windows. The show room has three levels of seats all with unobstructed views. The entertainment was first class productions good comedian wonderful dancers and singers. Brooks Aaron concert pianist and Renato Pignalero tenor singer were excellent. Theo only bummer was David Polydor the quick change artist and Magician, with a French like impressionist performance. We did miss about two shows which were reported to be excellent. Telephone response time and guest services response time is excellent. The people do what they promise.
The Olympic Restaurant is only 134 person capacity and must have a reservation to eat. Reservations are taken in this A La Carte French Restaurant limited to six persons at a time. Only one reservation per couple at $12/per person. The food is excellent. The wall paneling is the same paneling that was taken from the restaurant aboard the RMS Olympic. Following the loss of her sister ship “Titanic? the RMS Olympic (1911-1935) was brought to Belfast for renovation consisting of an outer hull. The ship was advertised as a ship within a ship. One of the renovations was to expand the A La Carte restaurant and bring it up to par with the lost Titanic. Craftsmen were imported from Palestine to carve and guild the paneling. An expended Café Pariesiene restaurant was created in which passengers could dine while viewing the ocean. This had never been seen before on an ocean liner. The RMS Olympic was scraped in 1935 and the paneling from the RMS Olympic's A la Carte Restaurant was purchased by a man and installed in his house. Celebrity found the house and bought it, then removed the paneling sent it to France and had it installed in the Olympic restaurant aboard the Millennium. The restaurant has high-class service and high-class prices with a glass of wine about $15 to $90. Bottles were also expensive. We had a $40 bottle which has the 15% service charge added as do all drinks on cruise ships now. The Waldorf pudding for desert was excellent and the recipe is the same one that was served aboard the RMS Olympic in 1912.

July 16,2000
Day at sea allowed us to tour the ship and see the wonderful indoor heated pool with jets and hydrotherapy for many people at once along with two separate hot tubs. A sauna was available for general use for men and women separately.
The outdoor pool had two hot tubs associated with it. The windows around this outdoor pool could be opened to the air. The center of course was open with an upper sun deck overlooking the outdoor pool.
Deck 3 was guest relations, the bank and shore excursions. Deck 4 was the lower entrance to the main dining room, the rendezvous lounge, the platinum bar and the café-o lait bar with chocolates and the champagne bar with caviar. Also the Fortunes Casino and several private meeting rooms were available. The lower entrance to the Celebrity Showroom. On Deck 5 were the upper entrance to the main dining room aft and the upper entrance to the Celebrity Showroom forward. A long emporium of shops and photo gallery also available. Deck 6 had the Penthouse suites and the Royal suites.
Deck 7,8,9, were cabins. Deck 10 was the outdoor pool and indoor pool and spa forward and the Ocean grill and café aft. Deck 11 forward was the Cosmos lounge forward and the children’s game room aft.
There was a flower shop located aft also with a tower.

July 17,2000
Oslo, Norway’s capital since 1299 is located at the end of Oslo Fjord. . Since our friends had booked a tour we also booked a tour after coming aboard using the TV located in the room. I think the cost was slightly higher than pre-booking, but we only booked two. (Oslo and Stockholm). The booking by the TV was easy and the tickets delivered to the room.
We took the Oslo city sightseeing ships tour and visited The Vigeland Sculpture Park created by Gustav Vigeland. A 55-foot Monolith with 121 nude stone figures climbing on top of each other representing the struggle for life. There were 150 sculptures of stone and bronze in the park.
We passed in front of the building where the Nobel peace prize candidates stay during the ceremony of selection.
We went to the Holmenkollen Ski Jump where the first jump was built in 1892. There is a splendid view of the Oslo Fjord and City of Oslo.
We visited the Viking Ship Museum housing three authentic long ships dating from the Viking era that had been excavated from the mud banks of the Oslo Fjord.

July 18,2000
A day at sea.

July 19,2000
Stockholm, Sweden. Our second scheduled ships tour visited the Vasa Museum, which is built around the 17th century sailing ship that sank in the harbor as soon as she was launched. Without proper ballast and top heavy she went over and sank in 1628. She was discovered in 1956 and salvaged in 1961. Three Cannons were found on her deck. Some say she was a cargo ship, but she had gun turrets just like a Man of War .
The Vasa Museum was more impressive than either my wife or I had expected. It was worth the visit, but could easily have been seen without a ships tour. Gamla Stan, the old city of Stockholm was narrow cobble stone streets. Saw the change of guard at the palace and got one of the guards to return a salute on video.

July 20,2000
Helsinki, Finland
Coming into the harbor noticed the construction of the Carnival’s new ship “Spirit? in the shipyard.
Elected to just take the shuttle into town, but as soon as we got off the bus, we were greeted by a salesman selling a local city tour from an old English double deck bus. We thus took this tour at $20/person that was half the ships shore excursion and saw the same thing.
We saw the Sibelius monument (only a bunch of pipes welded together), not much, The Rock Church which was formed by blasting through 100 feet of solid granite and topped with a copper dome. We also drove past many government buildings, and the Olympic stadium with a statue of the Flying Finn in front.
We got a good geographical map study of the city with this tour and thus did some nice walking touring after we got off the bus to Uspenski Cathedral, the Market Square, and the Presidential Palace.

July 21, 2000 Friday and July 22, 2000 Saturday
St. Petersburg, Russia. Our traveling couple along with ourselves had planned ahead and each had a Russian Visa. We had mad previous arrangements for two full days of tours in and around St.Petersburg not connected with the ship’s shore tour office. Our English friends had found the company called Nota Bene Co. Ltd. Manager Nikita A. Zonin e-mail “"

Address is: Russia, St.Petersburg Griboedova, 34 office 323 Tel.(812) 939-06-98 tel/fax (812) 313-87-37.
Our Russian Visas cost $70/person through the Russian Embassy in NY. The Celebrity Visa service was more expensive as was the Russian tourist agency. Nota Bene usually requires a deposit but we did not make one somehow. If a deposit is made it could be lost if the ship for some reason did not make the port. I think the Nota Bene company should refund the deposit if the ship did not make the port,but this should be agreed upon.
A one-day tour in St.Petersburg through the shore excursion office was $148 pr person. For two days we paid $470 which was $117per person plus $70/person visa equal $187/person for the two days, as opposed to the $296/person for two days via the ship’s shore excursion. An additional plus is that with just four people a driver and an English-speaking guide, we were able to see more with much better personal attention. For an additional $22.50/person we attended a wonderful folk show in an old 1800’s building that was beautiful inside and we had champagne ,caviar ,vodka and juices and cokes during the intermission, which was not furnished by the ship’s folk show tour. I think we also saw the better Russian Folk show Friday night. Our fee included our transportation in our Red Van. We could easily have shared this with another couple had we known in advance, which could have possibly decreased the price per person.
On our tours we visited the outside of St.Isaac’s Cathedral, and the Church of the Spilled Blood . We visited the Hermitage entering through a back door without any crowd and hit all three Hermitage buildings at a record pace including the Winter Palace. We made the visit to Pushkin previously known as the Czar’s Village (Tsarkoe Selo – mentioned in book Nickolas and Alexandria) . We visited Pavlovsk palace and grounds and were also able to visit Peter and Paul Fortress and the Peter and Paul Cathedral with the tombs of the Czars. In the back are stones on the wall for Nicholas II, his wife Alexandria and the children Olga, Tatiana, Maria , Anastasia and Alexi (the hemophiliac). The other Czars have large tombstones in the church but Nicholas II and his family were originally not welcomed to be buried in the church. Later the bones were moved into the church and wall stones placed in the back of the church. The last of the Romanov’s who died in France in 1992 is also buried in the church.
I would certainly recommend the above method for visiting St.Petersburg, not only because it was cheaper but because the convenience of not having a bus load of people and more personal attention from a guide for four people.
The ships charge for the Russian Folk spectacular was $55 per person as compared to our $22.50 per person.
We were also taken to a very nice shop that the four of us were the only ones shopping at the time. Prices were very good and they took USD or Charge Card.

July 23,2000
Tallinn, Estonia. We took the shuttle which dropped us at the side of the Viru Hotel and we walked through the town using the Lonely Planet guide and maps as recommended by Pam Kane. The maps and directions were very accurate. There is much walking to see this town even with a shore excursion from the ship. Many nice places to sit and eat lunch and watch the people that are watching you.

July 24,2000
Gdynia,Poland to visit Gdansk, Poland
We teamed up with two ladies traveling together to rent a cab at $20/hr and used it for 2hr 50 min which was cheaper than the ship. The ships shuttle just takes you to downtown Gdynia not to Gdansk. Gdansk was well worth a visit

July 25,2000
Rostock, Germany
We took the train from Warnemunde, Ger the port town paying about 6 DEM /person for a day ticket which entitled you to use the trams in the city of Rostock. This is a good deal and easy to do. The biggest problem is figuring out how much it cost and where to put the money. Some representatives were available to help us here. Once in Rostock (don’t get confused and get off too soon) information tells you to get off at the third stop (Nier Mkt) and you are in the center of town. The train did not have city stops posted in the train like the London Tube and we almost got off when it read Rostock. A map obtained before you get on the train shows all the stops before Rostock.

July 27,2000
Copenhagen, Denmark.
We took the shuttle into town and used the Lonely Planet guide to tour and make our way back to the ship and the little mermaid. My wife got kind of tired with me following the guide. We did stop in some department stores along the route.

July 28
Day at sea.

July 29, 2000
Back in Amsterdam and to the airport where we were 2 hours late for takeoff. We missed our connecting flight in Atlanta at 3:30 PM but made a 5:20 PM flight. Delta’s overseas flight seats had less room then their Atlanta to Jackson flight. I think I would try another airline for overseas next time because of the little amount of space between the seats.

All in all this was a wonderful trip, and shore excursions are doable by yourself but better with another couple for cab ride sharing but you can usually find someone at the dock looking for the same thing you are. Only thing is prior preparation for St.Petersburg, Russia. They check your passport every time you come off the ship. In Poland we had to give up our passports prior to arrival and got them back as soon as we cleared Poland. This was required and was easier than the Russian thing where we had to show them each time we went off the ship. Lonely Planet for Scandinavian countries
is recommended.
You will see some pictures of a cruise on Connie to Fjords of Norway and one to New England/Canada, but the Millennium to the Baltic was in 2000 and has expired.
Report is kind of old, but it may help.

Joe Reynolds

Norway February 12th, 2007 04:52 PM

As we are living in Norway and only 50 km from Oslo we think Oslo is a nice place. Scapel has described the best of Oslo that you can visit in one day. Remember, Oslo is expensive.

Stockholm and Gamla Stan is very nice, lived there too :-) Wasa museum is nice to. Slightly cheaper.

I think Scapel has made a good description of both Oslo and Stockholm. Ther people is very helpful.

Have a great trip.

Zina February 13th, 2007 02:57 PM

Hello everyone,
Thank you so much for your input.Thanks, as always, Norm, I enjoy reading your posts. Thank you to Lysolgn your post was informative and yes, darn it, I will wear an outfit more than once LOL Mix and match is the way to go. Scapel, thank you for your very in-depth post. It was fascinating. Norway, thank you for your information. I look forward to visiting your beautiful city as well as the other wonderful Scandinavian cities.
Anyone else have information regarding this ship or itinerary don't hesitate to share them with me. Thanks again everyone :D

travelannie February 19th, 2007 12:16 PM

You made a great choice selecting this trip. My husband and I took this same cruise in July 2003. The Constellation is a beautiful ship, my favorite (I've been on 6 cruises). Staff is wonderful, and the food was excellent, everything works smoothly and you are able to have a very relaxing vacatiion. Constellation appears on several of the "best" lists.My neighbors went in 2005 and they loved it too. I am not sure if they've changed the itinerery or not for 2007 but we began in Dover, first stop Oslo,Stockholm, Helsinki, St. Petersburg, Tallin (Estonia), northern Germany, Rostock (sp ?) I think is the name of the port, Copenhagen and back to Dover. I can't really say I have a favorite port as each one is unique and you'll be delighted with all you see and learn. In some ways St. Petersburg might be the most dramatic. Do be sure to plan your shore excursions for this city as the ship docks well away from the center of town, as I recall it took our bus about 45 min to get to the heart of St. P.We booked four excursions with Celebrity (and that covered our visa, too) and had excellent guides. Don't miss the Hermitage, the churches and Catherine's Palace. This was my second time in St. P and I was still in awe of this beautiful city. Helsinki is easy to do on your own, be sure to see the market and maybe take a ferry boat ride, we booked a tour in Oslo as I had never been there before and we liked the Folk Museum and Viglind (sp?) Park with all the sculptures. Stockholm is easy to get around but we booked a tour as I hadn't been there for over 30 years and I wanted a complete overview, do be sure and see the Vasa Museum. Tallin is unique, too and very charming. We walked from the ship's dock to the old City. Copenhagen was an overnight so we went to Tivioli which was fun and we did a boat trip thru the canals. Regarding clothes, two nice dresses and/or black or dark colored slacks and fancy tops work fine for dinner. I did not take a long dress and did not feel out of place. I took one pair of dressy black shoes which went with all of my dinner outfits. I try to stay with just a few colors, makes packing easier. Some nights are casual, some informal and two are formal. Take very comfy walking shoes as the sidewalks are often uneven and you do a lot of walking in these cities. Weather was very nice in July but it was chilly and rainy in St. P, so I would suggest some kind of a a jacket. I had a light raincoat with a hood and it came in handy. (But since I live in Seattle I am always prepared for summer showers.) If you have specific questions I'd be happy to answer them,you could write to me off line at Regards, Annie

scapel February 19th, 2007 02:58 PM

You might see something on TV with the Bridge Cam and want to run out and grab a photo quick.

If you are in an aft cabin or close to the aft elevators and you want to run up on deck to get a picture or something take the aft elevators to deck 11. When the doors of the elevator open you will notice to the right that it is the entrance to the kids area. Initially you think you can’t get out on deck from here, but if you will go to the left through the arcade all the way to the back on the right is a door that opens and presto you are out on deck. Observe where it is for a quick return trip.
You really don’t want to get out on deck 10 since you are in the buffet area and especially if it is open many people jamming, and you have to walk some to get on deck.

Zina February 19th, 2007 10:12 PM

Thank you so much for all your information on the ports and clothing. It was pretty thorough. Can't wait to share it with my husband. We have some definitive ideas about St Petersberg (so much to see) but the other ports we just weren't sure about. So thanks for the info on them. Our itinerary is similar to yours, we will embark out of Dover but our cruise ends in Copenhagen. We will stop in Gdansk and our Germany stop is a port called Warnemunde (?) I think you can get to Berlin at this port. Still doing some research on this port.
I also appreciate you sharing about the type of clothing you took with you. That was a lot of help as well. I have several dressy cocktail dresses and it would be nice to be able to wear them more than a couple of times.
Thanks again and I will contact you as more questions come to me :)

Zina February 19th, 2007 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by scapel
You might see something on TV with the Bridge Cam and want to run out and grab a photo quick.

If you are in an aft cabin or close to the aft elevators and you want to run up on deck to get a picture or something take the aft elevators to deck 11. When the doors of the elevator open you will notice to the right that it is the entrance to the kids area. Initially you think you can’t get out on deck from here, but if you will go to the left through the arcade all the way to the back on the right is a door that opens and presto you are out on deck. Observe where it is for a quick return trip.
You really don’t want to get out on deck 10 since you are in the buffet area and especially if it is open many people jamming, and you have to walk some to get on deck.

Scapel, I appreciate this piece of information. I love to take photo's and this particular area sounds like it may not be crowded.
Thank you :)

lysolqn February 21st, 2007 03:57 PM

Zina, re your research about the port of Warnemunde - it's a small seaside resort town with touristy shops along the quay, about a seven minute walk from where the ship docks. Not much to write home about but somewhat picturesque with a lighthouse and fishing boats. Rostock is about a twenty minute train ride from Warnemunde (the train station is between the pier and the quay) and is a small used-to-be East German town whose "city center" is very much alive with families, students (from the university), shops and restaurants and is lovely to stroll through.
On our first trip, we visited Rostock in the morning and walked along the quay in Warnemunde in the afternoon before returning to the ship. On our second trip, we purchased a "transportation only" ship's shore excursion to Berlin (+/- 3 1/2 hours from Warnemunde) which gave us about six hours to explore on our own - not nearly enough time to see all there is to see in Berlin, but certainly enough to get a feel for the city and its people. Years ago we had visited the then "East" Berlin and "West" Berlin prior to the wall coming down and the six hours we spent exploring gave us a great overview of united Berlin. Depending upon how much strength you have when you reach Germany, you might want to consider getting to Berlin. If not, I'd recommend spending time in both Rostock and Warnemunde.

Zina February 27th, 2007 10:34 PM

Thank you Lysolgn. I like the sound of Rostock as well as taking a trip to Berlin. I was in Berlin in the lat 70's and would love to see united Berlin with DH and Son.
I appreciate your info as well as sharing your experience with me :)

skandls March 1st, 2007 07:40 PM

Hi everyone,

We are 2 couples (50's) on this cruise. We would like to find one more couple for a private Denrus tour in St Pete. With 6 the cost goes to about $400 for a 2 day tour. Way less than the $700 for one day Celebrity is asking.

As for packing - we are planning on using the onboard cleaners. We have found them very useful and since you pack lighter there are fewer winkles. (Also take husbands old undies and toss after he wears them - leaves room for buying stuff.) As a previous poster wrote - black black and more black - saves on packing 20 pairs of shoes/purses.

Weigh your suitcases before you leave the house - you don't want a surprise overcharge.

Susan and Len

Zina March 3rd, 2007 04:25 PM

Susan and Len,
The Denrus tour sounds good but there are 7 of us traveling together and St. Petersburg is one destination that we have similar interests in.

Now to the serious stuff...the clothes!! I'm going with're right it's the easiest way to go and less to worry about.

I heard that it gets warm in the summer in the baltic that true? I always thought of the scandinavian countries as rather brisk/cool weather.

skandls March 3rd, 2007 04:50 PM

Looking forward to seeing a sea of black on formal nights. Being 5 ft 1 in my clothes don't take up much room. DH is 6 ft and mens stuff is so much heavier and bulky than womens. Unfortunately DH wants his own tux not a rental. So we have to pack the tux and a sports coat. I said tux or suit but not both.

I also do mostly tops and bottoms. Dresses just aren't as versatile. Since I am into comfort - a lot of knit tops with a few skirts (black with patterns).
I leave the jeans and heavier stuff home. A few longer style shorts and one or two pairs of pants for the plane and if we get cold weather. I find a skirt easier to handle in restrooms of questionable cleanliness while on tour. Light raincoat (LL Bean) and a sweater for layering. Don't forget a light evening wrap. Polyester and other man mades may be tacky but they are great for travel.

I have checked into a tour with Alla and they are a little less money than Denrus. They also have vans that are for 4 passengers. That will be great for us. It will give us and our travel companions a lot of flexibility

Rev22:17 March 4th, 2007 01:07 AM



Originally Posted by You
I heard that it gets warm in the summer in the baltic that true? I always thought of the scandinavian countries as rather brisk/cool weather.

Basically, yes. Daytime temeratures in Oslo and Copenhagen, for example, tend to be in the 70's in early June and even warmer in July and August.

Scandanavia genarally is not as cold as we tend to envision. Back in 1984, I deployed with the regimental headquarters of the Second Marine Regiment ("Second Marines") for an amphibious landing in the Tromso region of Norway, which is about 200 nautical miles north or the Arctic Circle. In preparation for the deployment, we went to Camp Ripley, Minnesota, located about 900 nautical miles south of the Arctic Circle, for cold weather training in November and December of 1983. The temperatures that we encountered at Camp Ripley (-32 F on the night of a "survival exercise" in makeshift leanto shelters) were about sixty degrees colder than what we encountered in Tromso (around freezing at night and mid to upper 40's F in the daytime).


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