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Old July 27th, 2003, 11:34 AM
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As i write this, Lance Armstrong just won the Tour de France. Remember last year when the French treated him so badly? He just showed them what a real American athlete is capable of. He has now tied the record with his fifth TdF Triumph. Next year, he'll break it. Keep on chuggin' Lance!

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Old July 27th, 2003, 12:10 PM
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And kudos also go to Tyler Hamiton for the tremendous effort he put forth in spite of his injuries on the first stage. He did a fantastic job making up a lot of time on his stage win.
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Old July 27th, 2003, 01:12 PM
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I think I'll go buy a nice freshly cooked bagette, some Camenbert or Petit Basque cheese, some juicy chardonnay grapes and drink some nice Bordeaux wine. Here's to the French for putting on such a nice event, regardless of who wins. Viva La France!

I'll leave the "Freedom" fries for others to chew on...

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While I'm at it a gateaux aux chocolat might be nice!
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Chuck, my teeth are chomping at your food suggestion. {{grin}} Way to go Lance.!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old July 27th, 2003, 06:54 PM
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I can't believe the ride today wasn't shown live on TV. Have to wait till tonight I guess. I don't know what it is about OLN, but they must show their fishing shows on very important days. They did it last Sunday too. Go figure.

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Old July 27th, 2003, 08:39 PM
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I love it that we beat everyon..especially the French!

My father in law was one of the soldiers who stormed Normandy..and he is 85 years old and still has night mares of the event..!! He almost lost his life for the French!!

Sorry the French Owe us!!!
I for one shall never forget what they did not do for us this time!!!
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Old July 27th, 2003, 09:06 PM
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My dad was in the Normandy Invasion too! In fact he was in the first wave.

I think the French are wonderful people with their own interests at heart, as they should.
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This war was based upon lies to the U.S. citizens and that is wrong. The whole war was based on oil and we took away the existing French/Iraqi oil contracts through this invasion. If the main export of Iraq had been brocolli, we never would have gone in there in the first place.

Clearly the U.S. has far more weapons of mass distruction than the Iraqis. The war proved that.

Besides French bagettes sure beat Wonder Bread anyhow!

The good thing about America is we can speak up when a wrong has been comitted. And in my opinion a wrong has been comitted. Viva la France!

Let's agree to disagree! :-)
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Chuck: Bon Appetit!

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Old July 28th, 2003, 12:16 PM
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Oh for pete's sake, must we talk politics on this board?!

Congrats to Lance Armstrong.

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Old July 28th, 2003, 12:33 PM
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I apologize for being political in my comments. I just get tired of this Anti-France nonsense. The French are by and large good people just as Americans are by and large good people. I just don't think we have to put down others to make ourselves feel important. I too congratulate this fine gentleman just as I would have congratulated any man or woman that might have won, regardless of their birthplace. There is a lot of individual strength and hard work that went into his victory.
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Old July 28th, 2003, 12:46 PM
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I only wanted to congratulate an American athlete who had been subjected to some bad treatment in previous years, now getting some personal vindication. Someone else brought up more recent issues. BUT since the bridge has been crossed...

Our actions were based on a variety of intelligence sources, with heavy emphahsis on British reports. They got their information from French sources. So who lied? And where was all this hesitancy and second guessing in '99 when Clinton was threatening pretty much the same thing? How much longer should we have waited to enforce the Gulf Accords?

"Viva la France?" When will the French quit coddling and capitulating to vicious dictators? "Their best interests?" What's wrong with us acting in our, and the UN's, best interest? There's now one less terrorist haven in the world. One less bully to abuse a nation and threaten a world.

Now isn't someone going to say, 'Selected not elected?"

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Dear Chuck,

Seems like you like the French/France. Have you been there? If not, go see for yourself what French social/socialism is like. You will find some rude people, service people with no service skill nor the interest in serving, metros smell like urine, beggars everywhere. In France, when you go in a shop or a restaurant, you are doing them a favor in exchange for your cash with their items or food.

"I think the French are wonderful people with their own interests at heart, as they should.
." True, French should have France's interest. But then the US should have the US' interest at heart and not be told by the world that this is wrong. Remember France did not lose over 3000 dead and buildings that were rammed with planes filled with innocent passengers.

Let's speak about French interest. They did not like being slaves to the Nazi, but what did they do after WWII. They took Viet Nam back and treated Vietnamese as slaves until they lost in Dien Bien Phu. French interest was not shameful enough for Mr de Gaulles to ask the US to help keep their colonies. Watch the History channel sometimes Chuck and you will pick up on these things. French interest also include forcing other to fight for France. How do I know? My grandfather was as Nazi pow until 1945. Now what does a little Vietnamese peasant doing in France? He was conscripted to the French army and shipped to France to fight the Germans.

So Chuck, to your Viva La France, GOD BLESS THE USA!
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Old July 28th, 2003, 01:28 PM
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God Bless ALL good people in the world!
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Dan, that's more eloquent and more substantive than anyhting I could say. My anti-French sentiments--yes, I have them--are sentiments of experience. It began with teachers of the language--I just couldn't stand their air of superiority in all things. That is the only Romance language I ever lost all interest in. That got reinforced when I visited Paris. It was a sewer, it's chief river a cloaca!

To be fair. The French of the Riviera and in the small towns on the highways to Paris were distinctly different than the Parisiennes. And the French visiting our shores were always quite pleasant, except for my teachers. So my bias may actually only be against the self-proclaimed French intelligentia and policy makers. They make it appear that the last truly noble Frenchman may have been Vercingetorix.

I might still like to visit the Riviera again, and perhaps Normandy. But I bade adieu to the Champs Elysees, the Eiffel tower, and Notre Dame at Orle. They shall never soil the soles of my shoes again. My default rule is that if something is so pretentious it needs a French name, it won't pass my lips. Though I do retain a fondness for chateaubriand and filet mignon. Chacun a son gout.

Hey, is there the equivalent of mouthwash for typing? :-D)

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Old July 28th, 2003, 03:31 PM
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Dan you sure got it right!
And of by the way did anyone mention all the French interests in Iraq..hmmm wonder why the French did not want a war?

I have a very personal reason for not liking what the French did in this war:
Our family have hosted French students for 25 years and always enjoyed and took very good care of them in the USA. When I had the last group before 911 I told them of my father in law and Normandy, well they were so excited to meet him and called him "their Hero" well after the war in Iraq....I spoke on line to these same students and seems they forgot "their Hero" all we became now were Americans for oil! Come on can anyone really believe that?

And Michelle B, you said "must we talk politics on this board"? We we speak of every other subject, so I see no reason to talk politics, if someone does not like politics they just skip the topic.

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P.S. My nephew is in Baghdad and is very excited to be building a sports complex for the Iraqi kids.....stuff like that you do not hear much on the news....he is in the Airbourne and been there since the beginning and will not come home till after January....These men are my heros!!
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Mary Margaret, you are right, this is the chit-chat board and anything goes. It's just that while I have my opinions, I don't enjoy debate. If this thread had been titled "Why I Love/Hate the French" or "Why America Was/Wasn't Right to Go to War in Iraq" I probably would have avoided it. However, it was titled "Way to Go, Lance!" so I thought it would just be a positive, congratulatory thread about Lance Armstrong, instead of a political debate.

Oh well, nevermind, doesn't matter.

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Who is Lance Armstrong?

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Old July 28th, 2003, 06:43 PM
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Michelle, yes, I originally said, in sum, "Lance, beat the French!" Someone may have misread, or misheard my cheer as "Let's BASH the French." A simple elision of the ear. :-D)

And, on second thought, I guess I did insert a little dig referring to how they had repeatedly booed his accomplishments last year. Some of the handheld signs along the route even referred to his cancer in tactless, tasteless ways. Not being one to wave a white flag--after all, I'm not French, though some of my ancestors were--I joined the sortie that resulted from the misreading.

And to some degree, like you, I try to avoid debate. However, there is even less proof that the President lied about our reasons for the Iraqi invasion, than there is that there was no WMD. This was not France's first attempt to obstruct our interests. Remember when we retailiated against Libyan involvement in the murder of hundreds of Americans...oh, never mind. I don't want to further politicize irresolvable issues.

All things considered, France is still a friendly nation. I think they need to act like it, better than they have lately. And I, at times, get my hackles up, gloves off, spurs on, when someone impugns my country or my President. To that degree, I am a moderate reactionary.

And to think, at one time, I considered a career in the State Department. But "Diplomacy: The art of telling someone [where to go] in such a way that they look forward to the trip."Sam Clemens, I think. I was never able to find out the French word for [where to go]. For the time being, I'll drink beer with my chateaubriand, rather than champagne.

Cease fire, everyone! viva la france. Adieu.


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Hey Rick, he's just some poor schmuck who has had the opportunity to win the Tour de France 5 times. {{wink}}

From he who is trying to get this thread back to its original subject. {{grin}}

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