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Old March 3rd, 2004, 10:27 PM
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Default Curious: Anyone encountered racism on a cruise?

Would be interested in hearing stories of racist or similar incorrect behaviour you have seen during your cruises. I have a few interesting stories myself about how inconsiderate my fellow humans can be.

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Old March 4th, 2004, 05:10 AM
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I've never experienced/witnessed any kind of racism/discrimination on a cruise ship. I believe we had over 40 nations represented on our last cruise.....and everyone got along wonderfully....if only the entire world could be like that!

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Well I saw a horrible site on our first cruise, it was March after 9/11. There was a group of mexican girls about 18 years old, they ran around the ship and pushed people on the dance floor, etc.... 4 of the girls went up to a man who happened to be a New York City fireman, and he had a tattoo of the world center on his arm. They went up to him and pointed at his arm and laughed at him. Well he threw his drink in one of the girls faces and started to cry and some people had to hold him back , I am not sure if he would have hit them, but it was a horrible incident!

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Old March 4th, 2004, 07:36 AM
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What do your remarks have to do with "racism" (the subject of this thread), Mary Margaret? Are you implying that the stupid actions of these teenage girls were racist in nature? Was the fireman from a particular racial or ethnic group? Sorry, I just don't understand how you can turn such an unfortunate incident as you mention into a racial matter. But then I wasn't there, and perhaps you saw something that you haven't fully described.

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Old March 4th, 2004, 08:03 AM
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Mary Lou, I've noticed the same thing - that all kinds of people get along so well on a cruise ship. Too bad real life is not the same.

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I would classify it as blatant anti-Americanism. At a recent soccer game between olympic teams in Mexico the fans whistled (same thing as booing) and hooted throughout the American National Anthem and began to chant Osama! Osama! when the game was over. It is shameful.

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Old March 4th, 2004, 08:48 AM
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Cruising is a place where, IMPO; everyone gets along. We are all there because we love cruising,but there will always be one in a bunch that we all would like to throw over board!
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Old March 4th, 2004, 09:17 AM
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I haven't experienced any racism on cruises. I've heard and read reports of it, but I think, for the most part ,people who are cruising seem to get along very nicely and enjoy the differences among us.

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Mary Margaret, that is not racist, that is just immature and tasteless. While I am sure there are some feeling of racism onboard with the passengers and maybe even the crew, it is almost always kept well below the surface and everyone seems to get along well. That is one of the nice things that we enjoy about cruising and I have remarked on many times. People tend to leave thier prejudices and hatred behind when the get onboard and because of that they actually talk to those of differant races, nationalities, sexual preferances, religions, cultures, etc and because they do so they become more knowledgable about others and with knowledge comes less fear of the unknown and less prejudice.
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I believe it was Mr. Twain who often proclaimed that the more you travel abroad, the less you are able to hate.

In thirty-five years of international travel, business and pleasure, cruises and land journeys, I've never been able to find fault with that idea.

It's always great fun on a cruise--when meeting a fellow passenger, officer, steward or other service staffer--to be able to strike up a conversation about their homeland, and the warm memories we have of it and its people. No doubt some would consider this "showing off," but I'll absolutely certify that it brings a genuinely friendly and happy reaction from the person you're talking to. It usually takes the form of a broad grin and the words, "You know my country?!" And maybe it does a little bit to mitigate the world's view of us as insulated, isolated and arrogant.

I think the ongoing struggle against racism has to be active rather than passive. I think each person's obligation is greater than simply not doing or saying overtly racist things. We owe it to ourselves and everyone else to become--to the best of our ability--citizens of the world, meeting and understanding people who are culturally different. Because once we do that we won't be ABLE to be racist.
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AR.. very well said!!!!!!

And.. btw.. nice to see you again!! You've been away for awhile.

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AR, I coudn't agree more.

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I am not so sure why some chose to pick apart my post, but if I read it correctly the topic said " racist or similar incorrect behaviour " i DO BELIEVE that I am correct in saying this fireman incident was INCORRECT BEHAVIOR!

For some reason people like to pick apart what posters say...I for one am growing SICK OF IT! I think I shall remain quiet for a while.

Jack I am speaking of your message to me...please read the origional post! I have so much more I could say on this subject of picking apart peopls posts but I shall remain quiet for now.

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Mary Margaret> I asked for your input and thank you for it, as well as the other posters who took the time to put some thought into their comments. Some people get great joy out of belittling others, but only end up belittling themselves. Don't bother remaining quiet, you are well within your rights to post your opinion. Sometimes you need "broad shoulders" in a public forum such as this. Don't let the children get to you.

AR> your words should be put up on a plaque somewhere, no, everywhere. Hear hear.

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If you tell them your with that "other message board" look out.
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AR,
What you wrote was beautiful and I agree with you totally. I had similar thoughts in Disney World, where everyone seems so happy and everything is so peaceful. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could arrange to have families from different backgrounds experience something like cruising or Disney World together to see how much we really have in common. I guess I am somewhat of an idealist, but we can always hope and dream. BTW, do you have any political aspirations? You sound like you could be a good candidate.
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The only racism I saw on my one and only cruise was that by the ship's employment. We joked (but felt sad) that all the Caribbean/Black people were bartenders or servers, White people were waiters, and Latinos were kitchen help and jr waiters. My ex-husband who I was with is black, and we were not treated poorly by anyone, anywhere, though they kept trying to sell him drugs in Barbados. I wonder though what the atmosphere would be like if there were enough people of color who could afford to cruise where white Americans would be a minority as ship passengers since prejudice (by all colors) on land is alive and well for too many.
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We are a bi racial couple in our 60's, Canadian; my husband is Japanese, and I am caucasian Our trip was about 5 years ago, and we were on the Royal Princess on the Baltic trip. At dinner time we were seated in open seating with 2 other couples, about the same age who didn't know each other, began a heated conversation about being held in a concentration camp by the "Japs" during the Second World War. We didn't say anything, and the conversation got nastier, and heated - such hatred! It was if we weren't at the table. Finially we couldn't stand it anymore and just stood up and left. We have never forgotten this, and it makes us very sad .
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I wanted to share my experience. I am from Panama and once applied to work for Carnival Cruise Lines back in 2000. I was told that you could apply to work on one of the gift stores there were in the cruises. I was excited when I Heard the news about been accepted. Had to pay for my plane ticket and visa arrangements and was offer a contract to be paid USD550.00 a month. After one day in Miami I was assigned to work for Carnival Triumph. When I got there instead of working on the gift stores it turned out I was instead hired to work at the Storerooms carrying food cases up and down and distributing food to the different áreas of the ship. I also was given a broom and asked to literally clean up an entire área. I have nothing against that type of job if that is what you apply for, but the fact that I was mislead, had to spend money of my own on a plane ticket for a job that was never the one I applied had me so dissapointed that I went over to the captain and quit right away, since we had already departed I had to wait until the ship had returned back to Miami to get on a plane back home, I was escorted out of the ship and assigned a personal escort so I did not try to "escape" and remain in the US illegally. I felt pretty much like a criminal. Also, it turned out that my salary was not even USD550 but USD500 even though I had the employment letter that stated it. I found out from other peers that gift shop or other type of non manual labour is reserved for either American or European citizens, not to hispanics or asians. I have actually been a passenger since those days on 4 different cruises and confirmed that still today, it is very hard to see blacks, hispanic or asian people hired for the entertainment or gift shops áreas, even though like in my case, there are a lot of people who are well prepared in customer service and bilingual but would not find an opportunity. As a matter of fact most of the cruise ship companies hire other companies to subcontract the staff and they are given only specific áreas to hire, most of them only F & B. Thanks for the opportunity to place this post.
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I have seen Racism in my day to day life. But I don't remember seeing it on a cruise ship. I will pay more attention to see if only American or European citizens in the gift shop. To be frank I didn't remember seeing any Americans on the cruise ship.

In the hair salon it was mainly UK and Australia. I know that for a fact because I asked. I did hair for 14 years and it's fun to talk hair with people from different parts of the world.

As far as entertainment on Carnival I remember that being a mix of people. In fact I remember the Carnival show Ticket to Ride had a wonderful Filipino band that did the music of the Beatles in the show and because I'm me. I found the name of the band they are Music Unlimited. Here is a video of them practicing on the Carnival Miracle.
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My first cruise was 1975...my count is now 45....I have never experienced any incident from a member of the crew, but have experienced several incidents from fellow guests...much fewer incidents the last few years
As I reflect on the incidents that I have encountered on a personal level, when I was younger, I reacted in one manner, as I became older I chose to view from a different perspective..I observed that there are some cruisers that are just plain a&%$h@+€ and they not only disrespected me, but crew members (for now justified reason) and other guests regardless of their status in life
Today, when I survey the holding room in the terminal waiting to board our cruise ship, it's a whole lot more diversed then 1975 and far fewer uncomfortable encounters
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Cruising has become FAR more diversified in the last few years, and I think that is great.

I was on a smooth jazz cruise during the same week Obama was first inaugurated, and I can tell you there were a lot of misty-eyed people onboard of all colors. It was really interesting.

But I will also say that at our table we had three black people and three whites; and you could NOT tell by color who was conservative, moderate or liberal. I only mention that because it is interesting and to point out that "color" means nothing - and so a person should never pre-judge.

One reason it is more diversified is because a lot more cruises leave from Southern Ports, and racially mixed northern ports like Baltimore. Its only natural that cruising would represent the regions it draws most of its customers from.
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I bought my wife a pricey diamond ring from an Indian salesgirl in the jewelry boutique on my last cruise on Carnival. We asked, and she was indeed, from India. 6-month contract.
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Paul..interesting observation about your Smooth Jazz cruise experience..jazz cruises prove that we can celebrate our common passions regardless of race,creed,color or politcal leanings

In the 1970-1990 era cruiselines made little if any effort to market for diversity of guests. The Love Boat TV show coupled with the rapid expansion of berths to be filled changed the dynamics and as our society matured, the cruise industry reflected society.
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Would be interested in hearing stories of racist or similar incorrect behaviour you have seen during your cruises. I have a few interesting stories myself about how inconsiderate my fellow humans can be.
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on March 03, 2004...

the question is 10 years old, dude, don't hold your breath for an answer
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I am interested in knowing what is the motivation behind putting this question in the Cruisemates Forum?.
I think that this question is as good as any other.

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It is my belief that when most people cruise, or on a vacation, they tend to be on their "best behavior". Rob and I have never experienced or witnessed racism, of any kind, on a cruise ship. With cruising, more affordable now more than ever, one sees a more diverse population on a ship and this is a good thing. When one meets people of different backgrounds they learn about their culture, live style, and customs; this broadens one's mind! It is sad, in this day and age, to have racism of any kind; society as a whole loses.
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In 2010 I overheard a discussion between a passenger and the ships Cruise Director . He was asked if there was a Sabbath service and was told by the CD "We do not do jewish" .
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In 2010 I overheard a discussion between a passenger and the ships Cruise Director . He was asked if there was a Sabbath service and was told by the CD "We do not do jewish" .
If they did other religious services that would be considered discrimination.

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