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Old November 7th, 2006, 06:47 PM
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After hearing about people another yet another Carnival ship observing a man jumping from a balcony into the water, forcing the ship to turn around (not a quick move!) and ruining people's scheduled, expensive and precious vacations looking for people (not an easy task in the vast waters!), I have an idea.... and I certainly don't mean to sound heartless about those who do end up overboard for one reason or another, so please don't attack me on this subject...

Instead of manuvering this HUGE ship around, why don't cruise lines have a ship designated specifically for this purpose??? They could begin their search MUCH more quickly, hopefully get this poor soul out of the water sooner, and not just float around in the seas after spending a considerable amount of time to get these huge ships turned around????

Just a wild thought....
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Old November 7th, 2006, 06:59 PM
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Good idea Jean. How about adding the ship should come to a stop and have the smaller boat search. Even use one of the lifeboats as the search vessel.
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Old November 7th, 2006, 08:07 PM
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I disagree.
If someone is dumb enought to jump, let the poor slob drown
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Old November 7th, 2006, 08:24 PM
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The ships do have special "boats"- not ships- that they carry, with specific teams for search and recovery. They don't just move the ship around looking all over the ocean.

You can often see their rescue teams practicing when the ship is port.

Now, if you mean there should be separate ships specifically for recovery efforts, so the cruise ship can simply go on its way --- that would basically be impossible.

Coast Guard ships do speed to the scene when they are in range to do so.

Also... there is a specific manoeuvre ships do, which brings them back to almost exactly the same spot where a man overboard signal was first given. The name of the manoeuvre escapes me at the moment, but all ship's Captain are trained for it.
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Old November 7th, 2006, 08:33 PM
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Why not just designate the last night as " jumpers " night--- make it plain that you absolutely cannot under any circumstances jump off---cannot climb from one balcony to the other-- cannot climb on the life boats -- cannot swing over the rail on promenade deck and do one arm pull-ups EXCEPT on the last night. Then at debarkation after 99 times of calling the names, they list the " missing ".
Should save everyone a lot of trouble and the nuts and drunks could at least have a few days to enjoy themselves. Not to mention the lessened work load on the crew the last night because if you were going to jump or fall off the last night, why even bother to pack and set out luggage ?
I think we need a plan for these folks so lets try to help.
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Old November 7th, 2006, 11:13 PM
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Why not just designate the last night as " jumpers " night--- make it plain that you absolutely cannot under any circumstances jump off---cannot climb from one balcony to the other-- cannot climb on the life boats -- cannot swing over the rail on promenade deck and do one arm pull-ups EXCEPT on the last night.
That would make for a very interesting belly flop contest..... I nominate Ron for cruise director.
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Old November 7th, 2006, 11:28 PM
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Kuki, how long does this manuever take for a large ship to return to the exact spot? I imagine it would be a lot longer than for a small boat to go to that spot once they discover that someone went swimming without a life vest...

You say it would be impossible for the ship to go on it's way, but you don't say why. I just think they should develop a better and more efficient way to locate people in the water than their current procedures...

Most of the time, I rarely hear of them locating the person, just that they spent hours searching to no avail....

Just trying to build a better mouse trap...
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Have been on a ship when a jumper jumped. Saw him floating in the water from our balcony.

Heard many people rest of the trip commenting about how long for the life boat to be put down to go rescue him. As soon as it happened the crew and ship went into 'mode', the life boat was immediately released but 'hung' in place dangling while the crew shut off Promenade deck and were in place keeping the jumper in sight.

Now think about it, with the ship going at speed, there is no way to put the lifeboat down into the water safely. The ship has to slow down and it does take a bit to do so.

It was an interesting display to watch this rescue, luckily, the person was ok and was taken off the ship to a hospital the next morning as we entered the Panama Canal. I understand from crew that he was escorted by a member of the Princess crew until he reached home and 'treatment'.
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You say it would be impossible for the ship to go on it's way, but you don't say why
I don't imagine your suggesting every ship be escorted throughout it's cruise by another extra ship to cover these eventualities. So where is this extra ship supposed to come from?

The time it takes to get a ship from a port would no doubt be quite a bit longer than the time it takes for the ship to turn around, and start a search.

Off course all of these actions are dependant on someone seeing a jumper and reporting the man overboard immediately. In many recent cases unfortunately no has witnessed the jumper, and they aren't reported missing until the next day.... which makes the searches a guessing game.
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I believe they call it natural selection. Its natures way of weeding out the idiots.

The problem is, alcohol is water soluble, so when these people hit the water they dissolve . That is why we can never find them..

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You say it would be impossible for the ship to go on it's way, but you don't say why.
I believe this is because of the Maritime Search and Rescue Convention (SAR) which, I believe, says that the ship must stay in the area (or return) and search for the person for a specific amount of time.

Kuki (or anyone else), can you confirm this?
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