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Old November 22nd, 2011, 01:53 PM
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On November 22 ,1963 ,President John F.Kennedy was assassinated by person or persons unknown .

While there were presidential assassinations in the past ,perhaps because of the media available this was possibly the greatest shock to americans since December 7 ,1941 .
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You must be psychic, I was just thinking the same - it was a shock to the world - I will never forget the look on my mother's face.

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I was 15, my school let us out early... we were all in shock.. my girlfriend, came home with me, to find my Mother & Grandmother watching tv, & crying. Somewhere I have the book, Four Days, that I think the Boston Globe, or the Herald, put out.
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Wow, its been 48 years....I do remember the day clearly, getting out of school early and going home and watching TV...Now, that was truly a sad day.
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I was a baby so have no memory of the event. It was a sad day in American history.
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There is still no real solution to who did it....is there?
I find it fascinating.
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It wasn't "person unknown", it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Wasn't it said he couldn't have fired that old rifle that fast never mind hit anyone?
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Good point John but The National Geographic just solved that mystery via technology. He actually had more than twice the time between shots than they ever believed. That was, of course, the major question as to how Oswald could have shot him twice.
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A lot of people get mixed up between reality & the film JFK!
I have watched quite a few TV programmes on the subject & they twist & turn, about all they agree on was Oswald worked in the book depository (whatever that is) & he did shoot that cop. Niceties aside, the accuracy of the shooting was incredible to the extent it was unbelievable. As a Brit it isn't my business but the subject does interest me.
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It wasn't "person unknown", it was Lee Harvey Oswald.

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You must be psychic, I was just thinking the same - it was a shock to the world - I will never forget the look on my mother's face.

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Noted psychic Janet Brennan has stated on numerous occasions that she has never come across anyone in her life with more natural psychic ability than me .
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You .madam or sir are not living in reality

Well.... someone isn't
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Noted psychic Janet Brennan has stated on numerous occasions that she has never come across anyone in her life with more natural psychic ability than me .

I'm either psychic, psychotic, or re-psychlable.:-D
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John, history is your business, it's everone's business.
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When I was in college I wrote a 40 page paper stating that Booth did not kill Lincoln .I researched every source available .This was before Al Gore invented the internet .I am now reading a book titled The Lincoln Assasination Encyclopedia .All of my theories are being disproved .
Its all a matter of perception .

IMHO we will never know who assassinated any of the Kennedy brothers ,Martin Luther King ,Jr. ,Abby Hoffman and Jerry Rubin .
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When I was in college I wrote a 40 page paper stating that Booth did not kill Lincoln .I researched every source available .This was before Al Gore invented the internet .I am now reading a book titled The Lincoln Assasination Encyclopedia .All of my theories are being disproved .
Its all a matter of perception .

IMHO we will never know who assassinated any of the Kennedy brothers ,Martin Luther King ,Jr. ,Abby Hoffman and Jerry Rubin .
When I was in college, I wrote a paper debunking the movie "JFK" and I did research as well. I am living in reality, and Oswald did it!

Sounds like you have a lot of conspiracy theories.
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Kennedy assisnations aside, I don't care how many books one reads or research one does, it is irrefutable evidence that Booth killed Lincoln. Think about it. Probably literally 150 individuals witnessed the event. Are they all wrong? To believe otherwise is absurd. the greatest injustice was the execution of Mary Surratt for complicity.

Science, today's science, has proven that Oswald fired the shots that killed Kennedy. There will always be theorists that don't believe that but that's what happened, period. Who enticed, hired, or otherwise influenced Oswald we'll never know until 100 year after the asassination but it will be revealed. Why was Oswald himself killed? It could be (perish the thought) that Jack Ruby was upset with Kennedy's assassination. I know that's too simple to believe but hey, that could well be what happened!

Conspiracists always take a route that has the overwhelming majority of times been proven incorrect. Don't take my word for it. Just check history. And remember, I am an historian not to mention not only a law enforcement professional but an instructor of law enforcement professionals. I'll go to war with anyone on that subject.

People have a nasty habit of reading into things that are unfathomable as the deeds themselves are unfathomable. Such is rarely the case. They usually are reasonably explained.

Are there intrigues that occur throughout history. Of course there are.

But in my book none of the above are included.
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I was a college freshman in Illinois, just north of Chicago. I heard about it during lunch. I stumbled off to my 2:00 class dazed, walked in on the prof writing on the board that class was cancelled. He turned and I saw that he was crying.

I went over to the radio station where I worked, walked into the record library in time to see the program director (who's still a friend) breaking the LP of Vaughn Meader's "The First Family" over his knee. He wanted to make sure nobody ever played it again on the air. I drew the short straw and got the assignment of babysitting the station late into the night until signoff. We broke format and all I did was play classical music, do station ID's and take transmitter readings. I never felt so alone. I called my parents and they said they felt the same way. After signoff I went back to that freshman dorm where pretty much everybody was still up, watching TV in the lounge. Almost nobody spoke. Many spent the night there.
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I was asleep in my quarters at Quantico, Marine Corps Base. (I'd been up all night, getting rid of a 105 mm that someone had found along the road!) Someone woke me up, and gave me the sad, sad news. I don't think anyone really believed it at first, but the reality soon set in. Certainly a sad day in American History, and YES, I am with Todd on this one. Everything points to Oswald as the shooter!

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Well I think so, but I don't want to appear to intrude into what was a national tragedy as well as a worldwide one. But the subject has always fascinated me...that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth could be killed by a lone gunman using an old rifle & hit people in a moving vehicle some distance away.
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I was in the third grade. We were on the playground when word came. We were also sent home early.

John, The rifle he used was not old, but cheap. Purchased through the mail from a catolog.

Jim and I have stood at the window that Oswald used on that terrible day. Jim says that the shots could have been made, without question. I have read a the reports of conspiricy, but believe that Oswald did it.

Only two more years until the reports, and papers are released, that Mrs. Kennedy asked to be withheld.
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John, I don't think that the age of the weapon itself would be something to be concerned about. Naturally, if the shooter were using an old muzzle loading rifle, then yes, that would be a factor.
The weapon was an Italian made Carcano 6.5 mm ( about a 26 caliber ) carbine that was made for years for the Italian military and if my memory of the events are correct the actual rifle used was made in 1940 and so was approx 23 years old when Kennedy was killed. It was a bolt action rifle with a scope-- Oswald was an ex-marine who was taught to shoot by the military and as such,was not some guy off the street who was unfamiliar with weapons. Re/ age of weapons, I have guns in my home that are older than that--have a couple that are older than me and one that I've had since I was 12 years old--they all shoot as well today as when they were bought because I've kept them well oiled and maintained. I have a German Mauser 7.65 mm pistol that was brought back from Europe that was made in 1941. It's in excellent condition and has the holster that went with it. It works as well as a 2 year old Beretta I have.Taking care of the weapon is the key--not the age itself-- unless it's been abused,and if that be the case, then even a new rifle may not be accurate.To fire several rounds from a bolt action rifle with accuracy at a slow moving target and hit the target isn't as hard as you might think if you're well practiced with weapons.
I'm not onto conspiracy theories, etc and all that--there's still people out there that believe we never went to the moon--many theorists , if you just take note, usually have a book on the market which usually sells, as people love to read about conspiracies and cover ups, etc.
I'm certainly not an expert on the Kennedy assassination and never will be but I'm satisfied with the findings and not willing to run out to buy every new book that John Q Theorist comes out with.
Again, the age of the weapon would not be a factor as long as the weapon was well maintained, which apparently it was. Even in Vietnam, there were German machine guns and other weapons from WW 2 that were used against us by the V.C. A round from one of those through the chest would still kill you just as dead as a round from a 2 year old AK 47 would.
I'll leave the theories and all that to the experts-- The weapon used did what any weapon is designed to do--they kill and will do so regardless of age in the hands of a trained marksman provided they are well maintained.
Now I've had my time on the stump and will bow out to allow others to get on with the theory stuff.
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My theory is that Kennedy died at Parkland Hospital, or possibly before he even got there. My theory is that LBJ was sworn in as president on Air Force One just before it left Texas to return to Washington. My theory is that while LBJ did a remarkable job on the civil rights front, he failed the nation miserably in other ways, most notoriously with regard to Vietnam.

My theory is that we didn't just lose a president. We lost a hero, a visionary, a peacemaker, a man of crazy passions--many of which were shameful--but nevertheless a renaissance man before they invented the term. Most importantly, we lost one of the most intelligent presidents of my lifetime. Intelligence isn't on most people's list of requirements for the office these days, but it is certainly on mine.

Not all intelligent presidents achieve greatness. But no stupid ones do.

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When I was in college, I wrote a paper debunking the movie "JFK" and I did research as well. I am living in reality, and Oswald did it!

Sounds like you have a lot of conspiracy theories.

78% of americans (gallup poll) believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was not responsible for the death of JFK .

The odds of Jerry Rubin dying as a result of a hit and run and Abbott Hoffman committing suicide are ludicrous IMHO .
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78% of americans (gallup poll) believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was not responsible for the death of JFK .
That is so funny! Henry, 65% of Americans weren't even born when Kennedy was killed. Of course they're still allowed to have opinions, but we all know how smart Americans are! And how well read. And how analytical.

If there was ever an example of things not worth doing a poll about, this is it!

I'll bet if you polled Americans more than half of them would say that Bermuda is in the Caribbean. Does that make it true?

By the way, that's a good way to make ten bucks. Ask somebody where Bermuda is. When they say the Caribbean bet them that they're wrong. They'll almost always take the bet. Easy money.
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I really meant "old technology" in regard to the rifle, not a modern sniper rifle even of the time. While I don't want to argue I feel there are one or two things to take into account when the shooting occurred...it has bugged me all my adult life you see, it would have taken nerves of steel to actually commit the act & get off, was it 3? shots with such accuracy & was it 2 of them basically head shots into a moving vehicle. I hope I live to see these files that are yet to be released.
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And 94% of those polled didn't know who Lee Harvey Oswald was.
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