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Old March 11th, 2010, 11:59 AM
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I just heard that the Zuiderdam had an outbreak of the virus and that the CDC had them clean and cleanse the entire ship . I had heard that the virus was not affecting a lot of cruise ships ,I'm wondering if that is really so ?
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Henry,

Noro-virus, Norwalk virus and Noro-type virus (all basically the same thing) is the most common virus next to the common cold. It spreads rampantly throughout closed environments such as schools, workplaces, prisons, nursing homes, hospitals, etc.. It got it's name because of the large outbreak in Norwalk, Ohio in the late 60's. It had been around for years before that and diagnosed as "stomach flu", ptomaine poising and "the 24 hour bug".

Outbreaks of it account for most of the school and workplace illnesses in the country.

It becomes major news when it is on something like a cruise ship where it spreads quickly and is very noticeable because of the close quarters. The media has a field day with it. Does this mean it isn't serious. No, but it isn't the "killer disease" that many media outlets portray it.

It is transmitted though fecal matter and it is brought onto a cruise ship by passengers or perhaps the crew. It isn't something that "grows" on the ship. It spreads because people do not practice the level of hygiene that they should. In other words: They don't wash their hands.

The best defense against it is to wash your hands thoroughly and often and use the hand sanitizers.

I hope this explains something about Noro-virus.

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Henry, my daughter works in the school system, she came down with this Thurday night. It is running rampant in her school, our whole county school system really. Unfortunate I came down with it early Tuesday. Thankfully I am better now. My hubby is afraid he will get this too.

So you see, this is everywhere this season. Believe it or not the cruise before ours (Christmas and New years Zuiderdam) was code red for the first half of the cruise. Our cruise wasn't (Jan 2nd) but Felix's (Jan 12) was.

I was a bit afraid I would get it on my cruise. I was very careful with the hand washing,etc. I even bought wipes so I could clean my hands again after sitting down to eat in the lido. I didn't but 2 months later I get it from my daughter-and believe-you-me-I have been very careful.

Also, my MIL called last week to tell my hubby about her sister who is in an assisted care home. Her niece visits her mother daily. The home called her niece to tell her she could not visit until further notice, because of an outbreak in the home.

So you see, it is quite a problem this year.
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I was discussing this today with Mrs.Henry 43 who is a medical person .She believes that on the cruise dining should be solely in the main dining room and not in the buffet areas
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Henry - when the norovirus is present on the ship, you are not allowed to serve yourself at the buffet. Everything is served to you by the staff behind the buffet counter and they are usually wearing plastic gloves. Salt & pepper shakers are removed from the individual tables in the Lido also.

In the main dining the s&p's are also removed and no bread basket on the table - bread is served to you by your waiter.

Norovirus is rampant everywhere - schools, offices, hospitals, nursing homes so only serving food in the MDR would make no difference. One person gets it and passes it on to other. You just have to make sure you constantly wash your hands, cover your mouth with your arm and don't sneeze into your hands.

We have been on the ships a few times when the virus is present and because we take precautions we have never "caught" it.
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I just wrote this today...

Avoiding Norovirus on Cruise Ships
By Paul Motter
March 12, 2010

Getting sick on your cruise is no fun. How to avoid Norovirus.

Just when we announced the cruise industry had made significant inroads into fighting norovirus we got the news that one particular ship, Celebrity Mercury, had been hit hard with a new strain of the the virus with unusually strong symptoms. The good news is that the symptoms only last up to 48 hours, the bad news is that it takes only a very small amount of the contagion to spread the disease.

We already know cruise ships are susceptible to norovirus, just as any place where people tend to share restrooms and dining spaces such as schools and senior centers. However, since the CDC particularly monitors norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships, cruise lines have become especially vigilant in fighting the spread of the virus onboard. This has proven to be most efficient on newer ships that have completely hands-free restroom facilities and serving stations in the Lido-style restaurants as opposed to long buffet lines where people share serving utensils.

There is some immunity once a person has one bout of norovirus, as long as it is the same strain. The problem is that the virus mutates regularly. It is transmitted by person to person contact, or by touching a surface where an infected person has left the virus behind. It cannot grow on such surfaces, but it can live for short periods of time.

If you are on a sick ship, the key to staying well is to wash your hands regularly, do not rely solely upon hand sanitizers although they are better than nothing. Never shake hands, and try to avoid hand rails and other commonly touched surfaces. If you use an elevator you must use the buttons, so remember never to rub your eyes or nose until you can wash your hands. The virus is spread through stool and vomit, so it the primary responsibility of each individual to keep themselves clean and to avoid actions that may spread the virus even if you feel well. The symptoms may not appear for 24 for 48 hours after infection (they can start in as little as 12 hours), so you may be contagious and not realize it.

Norovirus is known to become more prevalent in the months of February and March, and 2010 has borne this out. Unfortunately there are no cures for the virus but you can treat the symptoms with Kaopectate or Milk of Magnesia. It is a miserable sickness but fortunately does not last long - usually only about 48 hours.

This does not mean the virus will disappear from a ship within that time span, however, because it lives on by transmission from person to person. When Celebrity Mercury had an outbreak affecting nearly 20% of the shipboard population the first week of March the line took extraordinary measures to clean the ship once it returned to its home port, delaying the launch of its next cruise until 8:00 pm.

Norovirus outbreaks are best treated by sufficient heating or chlorine-based disinfectants, but the virus is less susceptible to alcohols and detergents as it does not have a lipid envelope. This means the virus is harder to kill with hand sanitizers, especially the kind that do not involve wiping the hands when you are finished applying them. While washing your hands will not kill the virus, it can remove it from the surface of your hands as long as you wash, rinse and dry thoroughly.

Unfortunately, the thorough cleaning of Mercury was not enough to prevent a subsequent outbreak on the following cruise, although affecting a much smaller number of people. It should not be automatically assumed it lives on through crewmembers onboard, however, as it has been shown that sick ships often sail from sick ports, and the virus could have been reintroduced by a new passenger bringing the virus onboard.

In any case - if you are on a sick ship, or a ship that was recently sick - avoid public restrooms, be careful about washing your hands, avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth, and restrain yourself from touching commonly touched surfaces such as railings, elevator buttons and serving utensils. And if you see anyone reaching into a plate of food with their bare hands give them your absolute best scowl.

Anytime you are on any ship it is a good idea to practice these same techniques, although the same amount of vigilance is not required. I have personally found that not rubbing my eyes or face and avoiding touching common surfaces - along with frequent hand-washing - has kept me norovirus free for years now throughout dozens of cruises. The last time I got a virus on a cruise ship was in 1999.
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Henry - another thing I didn't mention, which Paul did touched on about the elevator button - I always push the button with my index knuckle .......I've seen some people use their elbow. I even do the knuckle thing when I use an elevator in a building at home.
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I always open a restroom door by grabbing the BOTTOM of the handle with my pinky, and using the first knuckle instead of my finger tip. That way I rarely rub what was on the restroom door into my eyes.

That is IF a paper towel and wastebasket are not nearby. if they are (as they should be) I use a towel to open the door. That is another thing a lot of newer ships have is a towel dispenser and wastebasket by the door.
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Some time back in another thread there was mention of the touch screens in casinos where a person could collect the infection on their fingers.

Might want to wipe down the slot machines before you use them or wear gloves.

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HAL Zuiderdam did have the wastebasket near the door in the public bathrooms. I could see that most would grab a Kleenex to open the door and throw it away in the wastebasket by the door. I did this too.
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I always try doing that but at times there are lapses in memory
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I agree with doing what you reasonably can to keep well, but not to going "overboard" like spraying your whole cabin down with Lysol, bringing your own sheets and pillows, washing your hands everytime you touch anything or shake hands, or wearing a mask (I've read of people doing all of these things ).

I think most of us who are more mature (ahem...) have more antibodies built up against lots of illnesses, while younger people may not be as immune. As one of the emails that comes around says, we played in the dirt, let the dog kiss us, drank out of the same glass, played in the creek, etc., and many of are still here !

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I think most of us who are more mature (ahem...) have more antibodies built up against lots of illnesses, while younger people may not be as immune. As one of the emails that comes around says, we played in the dirt, let the dog kiss us, drank out of the same glass, played in the creek, etc., and many of are still here :-D!

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I did all that and never was sick as a kid ,maybe we have to go back in a time machine to the (40's ,50's for me)
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Norovirus is known to become more prevalent in the months of February and March, and 2010 has borne this out. Unfortunately there are no cures for the virus but you can treat the symptoms with Kaopectate or Milk of Magnesia. It is a miserable sickness but fortunately does not last long - usually only about 48 hours.
Paul,

I think you meant Pepto-Bismal instead of Milk of Magnesia. I think the last thing you want to use when you have diarrhea is a laxative.

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I think you meant Pepto-Bismal instead of Milk of Magnesia. I think the last thing you want to use when you have diarrhea is a laxative.

Take care,
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ROTFLMAO - Milk of Magnesia for diarrhea - I don't think so Paul. I didn't even notice you said that in your original post - good Mike picked it up, otherwise you would have had some poor sick pax taking the MofM and wondering why they were "living" in the bathroom.

Immodium or Pepto would be a heck of a lot better.
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Henry,

Most cruise ship do not have enough seating in the main dining rooms to serve everyone in two seatings. If they closed the buffet during virus outbreaks, they would have to add a third seating in the dining rooms.

Ask your wife if she minds being asssigned to the third dinner seating at 11pm.
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