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It was just learned, starting this coming Sunday, July 15th NCL will become almost a smoke free cruise line. Smoking will be allowed in the cabins, in the enclosed cigar bar and the casino. That is pretty much it. Apparently one side of the deck area will remain available to smokers, but at anytime the management can request smokers not to even smoke on deck. I would guess this could occur if the smoke free side of the deck becomes over crowded and passengers request the smoking area to be smoke free as well.

What do you want to bet all lines will adopt the policy within the next year of so.
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Nita I saw that as well but there is no source of the information other then I heard onboard. Not saying in may not be true but no press release and no mention even on Seatrade Insider. If fact I can find no evidence on the internet anywhere except one post.
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I am about to call NCL, the other post claims several have asked NCL plus one employee did report it to be true, but as soon as I have a few mintues, (I have to call some payments in anyway) I will check to make sure. .
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I just got off the phone with NCL. The reservation agent read me the EMail they received this morning: smoking in the staterooms only, deep cleaning will be done after smokers vacate the cabins: smoking in the cigar bar and casino will be the only enclosed areas where smoking will continue to be premitted. Pretty much what they have done is made all the enclosed areas of the ship NON SMOKING including the observation area and all bars except for the Cigar. Smoking will be allowed on the one side of the deck.

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I think that it is absolutely great and I just hope it is enforced.
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I just got off the phone with NCL. The reservation agent read me the EMail they received this morning: smoking in the staterooms only, deep cleaning will be done after smokers vacate the cabins: smoking in the cigar bar and casino will be the only enclosed areas where smoking will continue to be premitted. Pretty much what they have done is made all the enclosed areas of the ship NON SMOKING including the observation area and all bars except for the Cigar. Smoking will be allowed on the one side of the deck.

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Thanks for update - good to know before I don't make final payment on the 3 cruises I have booked. :o
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Interesting.. considering the policy is SO different from just a few weeks ago when NCL addressed their smoking policy for an article I was writing on the topic.
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Interesting.. considering the policy is SO different from just a few weeks ago when NCL addressed their smoking policy for an article I was writing on the topic.
It is interesting and I was floored when I first heard it, but when the exact email was read to me, I had to accept it as truth. As Travel Agents, so far, we havne't been officially notified. I will keep you guys updated when we get something in writing. I guess the big difference is smoking in the bars and I realize we are living in a non smoking world more all the time. I still think too many rights are being taken away from us.

I know, some will say "the right to breath" is a personal right, so maybe I will let this subject close now?

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Interesting.. considering the policy is SO different from just a few weeks ago when NCL addressed their smoking policy for an article I was writing on the topic.
It is interesting and I was floored when I first heard it, but when the exact email was read to me, I had to accept it as truth. As Travel Agents, so far, we havne't been officially notified. I will keep you guys updated when we get something in writing. I guess the big difference is smoking in the bars and I realize we are living in a non smoking world more all the time. I still think too many rights are being taken away from us.

I know, some will say "the right to breath" is a personal right, so maybe I will let this subject close now?

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I agree - I just want to know the policy before I invest my vacation dollars. I understand Oceania's policy I choose not to cruise with them. A great line for nonsmokers - Only two outside areas to smoke - you will be put off the ship and asked to pay the cleaning cost if you smoke in a cabin. All public areas including the casino are smoke free.

Changing policy in two days with no notification is just not right. I wonder if you can get your money back if your a sailing monday and not like the change.

That said the policy is not that bad. I thought they had it right on the Pearl before. No smoking all of deck 7 including Bliss and the lobby bar, no smoking in the Star Bar. Smoking in Bar Central and Casino deck 6 and Spinnakers. Places for everyone to enjoy.
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One other thought - the new plan is going to turn the casino into a nightmare for non smokers. Pushing all the smokers to one place is going to create a solid cloud :o

Think about it having a drink at bar central, run into the casino for a smoke, show gets out all the smokers stop and light up before headed out to the other bars, It will no longer just be the gamblers that smoke but everyone on deck six grabbing a quick smoke.

I can see it now when the show gets out. It will remind me of flying years ago when the no smoking light went off and everyone in the last 10 rows light up at once
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I think this "policy" was thrown together very haphazardly. It is destined to be a nightmare to enforce. I see people all of the time smoking on the wrong side of the ship around the pool and nobody does anything about it. I am a retired smoker but Rummie still smokes.

I hope you all are stating your concerns to NCL because they are getting inundated by the anti-smoking loons. I talked to a Latitudes rep a few minutes ago and stated my displeasure with how his new policy was implemented. I did not state that I was going to cancel cruises because of it. That would be just asinine. I CANNOT stand traditional dining and prefer the crews aboard NCL over all of the others I have sailed with. But, I did state that I would be considering other forms of vacation to spend my money on.

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I think this "policy" was thrown together very haphazardly. It is destined to be a nightmare to enforce. I see people all of the time smoking on the wrong side of the ship around the pool and nobody does anything about it. I am a retired smoker but Rummie still smokes.

I hope you all are stating your concerns to NCL because they are getting inundated by the anti-smoking loons. I talked to a Latitudes rep a few minutes ago and stated my displeasure with how his new policy was implemented. I did not state that I was going to cancel cruises because of it. That would be just asinine. I CANNOT stand traditional dining and prefer the crews aboard NCL over all of the others I have sailed with. But, I did state that I would be considering other forms of vacation to spend my money on.

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REtired Smoker, love it; As for throwing the idea together you could be right. HAL was the first mass marketed line to start some of this nonsense. They were the last to ban smoking in the dining room, but have proceeded in the opposite direction lately. Some nights the casino is non smoking, thus the casino bar (not actually in the casino on the Amsterdam) becomes pretty much non smoking. You can smoke if you sit at the bar, but not in the lounge seating area, they have made one side of the pool deck non smoking, including the eating area and can enforce non smoking at the other side at the managements desretion, etc. I don't know if this influenced NCLs new policy or not. NMNita
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I dont agree with how the policy was implemented, in that more warning should have been given . while I think more warning should be given, I do agree with the policy and am really happy to see it. Thats JMO. I am not an anti smoker loon, but I dont want to inhale some one else's smoke.......it makes me physically sick, and as you see more and more non smokers, which population wise far out number smokers, you will see less and less smoking permitted in public area's. I dont think the cruise ships are very concerned about the lost business as there are more non smokers than smokers and there has been a far greater demand for less smoking area's than more smoking area's. There is a great place we go to near by, and as you may know Montreal has banned all smoking in places to eat , public spaces etc. He was really worried about his business. He is a smoker . Well, in the end, he said he is making more money now as the non smokers are coming, and coming more often. Even before the smoking ban, he used to make the place "non smoking only" for big holidays like mothers day and New Years eve because the demand for non smoking was so much higher than smoking. I dont have a problem with out door designated smoking area's, or the cigar bar, but the reality is simply that more and more people don't smoke and don't want to be with smoke.
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I dont agree with how the policy was implemented, in that more warning should have been given . while I think more warning should be given, I do agree with the policy and am really happy to see it. Thats JMO. I am not an anti smoker loon, but I dont want to inhale some one else's smoke.......it makes me physically sick, and as you see more and more non smokers, which population wise far out number smokers, you will see less and less smoking permitted in public area's. I dont think the cruise ships are very concerned about the lost business as there are more non smokers than smokers and there has been a far greater demand for less smoking area's than more smoking area's. There is a great place we go to near by, and as you may know Montreal has banned all smoking in places to eat , public spaces etc. He was really worried about his business. He is a smoker . Well, in the end, he said he is making more money now as the non smokers are coming, and coming more often. Even before the smoking ban, he used to make the place "non smoking only" for big holidays like mothers day and New Years eve because the demand for non smoking was so much higher than smoking. I dont have a problem with out door designated smoking area's, or the cigar bar, but the reality is simply that more and more people don't smoke and don't want to be with smoke.
Part of what you are saying is true: I beleive it is down to about 20% who now smoke and that is a good thing. Even being a smoker (very light, I may add) I understand the concerns to a degree of the non smokers. I also think non smokers for the most part are very self righteous and all less willing to co-operate with smokers than visa versa. You can not compare a non smoking restaurant to a non smoking ship. Even friends I have that are chain smokers can go an hour or so without smoking, but to expect them to contail their habit for a week or so is a totally different situation. I can live with the non smoking sections on ships but when the policy says the smoking area can be turned into a non smoking area at any time I have a little problem, and as others have mentioned, the cigar bars only seat about 10 to 15 people. Why can't there be one more smoking bar and I don't mean the casino. Two problems with the casino bar: 1-if it is a smoking apporved area can you imagine how bad the smoke will be in the casino, It already bothers a lot of people and 2-other than actually sitting at the bar, there are no other places to sit. Some people enjoy a drink before dinner or before bedtime and like to visit a bit; one person in the party may be a smoker.

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For what it is worth, RCI always specified which side of the ship deck was for smokers. Other than that, what is changed? We were on the Crown week of July 8, not many smokers onboard. Didn't notice any smoking in any bar except the Casino bar.
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After DIGGING around on the NCL web site (looking for a press release) I found this.....
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We want you to be comfortable on board, so public areas throughout all NCL ships are smoke free. If you smoke cigarettes, you can do so in your stateroom, on your balcony, in the casino or Cigar Bar (where available). If you prefer pipes or cigars, you can smoke in the Cigar Bar or designated smoking lounge. Also, you can smoke cigarettes, pipes and cigars outside on open decks (just not around food venues, sport decks, kids’ pool areas and other designated non-smoking areas).
It AMAZES me that NCL just snuck this in, without any advance notice, or press release. Particularly because I asked questions for an article I wrote on smoking policies about a month ago, and they never even mentioned that they were reexamining their policies.

Seems like a really SLICK move to keep people who are booked on the hook!!!! If they feel it's the right business move for them, by all means make the change, but DON'T act like a "theif in the night" while doing it. Set a date in advance, offer refunds to those affected who want to cancel, and be proud with their decision!!
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It AMAZES me that NCL just snuck this in, without any advance notice, or press release. Particularly because I asked questions for an article I wrote on smoking policies about a month ago, and they never even mentioned that they were reexamining their policies.

Seems like a really SLICK move to keep people who are booked on the hook!!!! If they feel it's the right business move for them, by all means make the change, but DON'T act like a "theif in the night" while doing it. Set a date in advance, offer refunds to those affected who want to cancel, and be proud with their decision!!
I dont agree that this policy was put into force with out advance notice, and without the chance for those who have booked to cancel should they wish to. That is not very fair to those who booked with one policy in place and then suddenly it changes. Those who dont like the policy should be alloud to cancel with money back. I will say I am personally pleased with the new policy and it will be another pluss side for us to continue with NCL, a line that we like over all very much. ( this includes one smoker in our group whom I informed of the new policy and they were fine with it, I am not certain, but I think he said it was like this on HAL now as well? I forget which other one it was, as he travels four five cruises per year )
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On one of the other cruise boards, there's a post this morning that Royal Caribbean is also changing it's smoking policy. They, however, are giving people quite a bit of advance notice, as I think the implementation date of the new policy is January 1st.

Their policy is structured a little differently than NCL's. It sounds like they're going to smoke free cabins, but with smoking still allowed on balconies. Also, they're going to designate one lounge as non-smoking instead of only allowing smoking in one.
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Yes, RCI sent out a press release regarding their policies take effect Jan 01 '08.... and yes it does make cabins no smoking, though permitted on the balcony.

Even though I am a smoker, I think both policies are somewhat "liveable" for me, and it's their absolute right to set their own policies as they chose, and allow the passengers to show approval with those policies with their wallets.

What I strongly object to is NCL's stealth like approach to slipping in a significant policy change without notification in the way of a press release, and notification to all its travel agent partners... instead of forcing the public to call NCL to verify rumor. It's lousy business practice, and at least to me raises concerns about why they just didn't want to "stand up and be counted" behind their decision. If this is their "normal business practice" ity's not a company practice I feel comfortable spending money with.

The way they did it.... not the decision itself... has led me to cancel the recently announced CruiseMates New Years Group Cruise on NCL.
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How about NCL America? No casino's - so I am guessing on the Pride of Hawai'i one can only smoke in Corona's Cigar Bar (which is about the size of a large stateroom; on the Pride of America one would have Pink's Champagne Bar (Cigar Bar is in Pink's); and one would not be able to smoke on the Pride of Aloha - let alone for certain outdoor areas?? Strange... or is thier a difference between the new policies on NCL America?

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I am cruising on the Explorer of the seas next April and just found out that there is no smoking in the state rooms and you will be charged a $250 dollar cleaning fee if you do. You can smoke on the balcony but not in the room. I think it's getting to out of hand. Your going to charge $250 dollars to clean a room you have to clean anyway? Thats not right. It's just another way for them to make money off of you.
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I am cruising on the Explorer of the seas next April and just found out that there is no smoking in the state rooms and you will be charged a $250 dollar cleaning fee if you do. You can smoke on the balcony but not in the room. I think it's getting to out of hand. Your going to charge $250 dollars to clean a room you have to clean anyway? Thats not right. It's just another way for them to make money off of you.
I fully agree, it is getting out of hand. They should have smoking rooms and non-smoking rooms. Same for the common areas. Hope these drastic policies will blow up in their face. As much as I like cruising, I will not allow to be dictated what to do. We have been on quite a few cruises and always respect non-smokers, ie smoke where the wind will not affect them, dispose of your buts properly etc...

Has anyone heard of a non-smoking hotel (rooms and all) so why a ship?
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As a matter a fact yes I have heard of them, and they are totally smoke free. You must go out side to smoke and there is a certain distance you must stand by the door, as is all public spaces now where I live including the college where they painted blue lines on the concrete so that students dont stand near the doors. I also know as a fact that in a major hotel here in Montreal, if you have smoked in a non smoking room, you will see charges for the deep cleaning of the room.
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Yes.. there are quite a few; of the larger chains Marriott Hotels, Renaissance and Westin that I know of for sure.

I believe the cruise lines, as independant businesses, have every right to make the decision to limit smoking... even though I am indeed a smoker.

My issue is with the way NCL handled the decision... slipping the policy in, with NO advance notification. That's very backhanded, and I question the integrity of a company which operates that way.

Consumers have to simply voice their concern or their approval with the policies by voting with their $$$$.
I've always said people should research and chose a cruise that is right for you, rather than book any old cruise and expect it to be what you're looking for! Now, there's just one more policy to factor into that equation.... for both smokers and non smokers.
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Kuki I agree with you very much that I dont like how the changes are made with no real notice etc, but NCL has not been unique to do this, and I remember Nick at the time being pretty Upset when HAL did the same thing and also refused refunds etc. I think NCL has followed the example set by others, but in no way do I say it is a good eample or a good way to do it. Not at all...........You know I am a dog person, if I go some where year after year thinking that they have "dog rooms" and I show up with pooch in hand and find out "it is no more", that's not right.
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As a matter a fact yes I have heard of them, and they are totally smoke free. You must go out side to smoke and there is a certain distance you must stand by the door, as is all public spaces now where I live including the college where they painted blue lines on the concrete so that students dont stand near the doors. I also know as a fact that in a major hotel here in Montreal, if you have smoked in a non smoking room, you will see charges for the deep cleaning of the room.
and this is fine, but non smoking hotels is quite a bit different than non smoking or almost non smoking ships. You are not in the hotel for days at a time.
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Nita, a hotel or a ship is the same thing IN MY OPINION. I have put that in caps for a reason, its my opinion. On a ship, clearly they have been told go out side to smoke. Outside on a ship is not very hard to get to. Certainly not any harder than if you are in a hotel. A ship and a Hotel does not become your personal home because you are in it allowing you to do what ever you want when you want.

I have never ever been on a ship where I have been indoors for days on end with no access to the out doors. I have never been indoors for that matter for more than two hours with out being out doors on a ship, to walk through, to get fresh air, to look for kids, what ever. I would say I spend more time out doors on a ship than any where else. We are constantly on deck seven, in and out..........if Nick wants to smoke, he has constant oppertunity in between what we are doing and when. You have only to come to look at montreal and look at some of the nicer hotels that have no smoking now, its a pouring rain day, you are standing in the street, far from the entrance because you cannot be with in X amount of metres from the door, there is no deck chair, no awnings, no cover of any sort.........just standing at a street corner for a smoke......and dont think you can go to places and light up, as Montreal, as is all of Quebec and Ontario, are smoke free, it is illegal to smoke in stores, bars, places to eat, you are not even alloud to smoke near the entrance or exits.........and remember......6 months of the year it is winter here.........

so you are right, and I am wrong after all, a Hotel it is not the same as a cruise ship, at least when smoking on the smoking side of deck seven, even if it rains, you are sheltered, you have chairs and tables and can enjoy a cofee, Same with at the smoking area of the buffet outside , or your balcony, or in the smoking bar on the ship .

Regardless, my point is that NCL was not the first to do this or in this way, and they wont be the last.............
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Nita, a hotel or a ship is the same thing IN MY OPINION. I have put that in caps for a reason, its my opinion. On a ship, clearly they have been told go out side to smoke. Outside on a ship is not very hard to get to. Certainly not any harder than if you are in a hotel. A ship and a Hotel does not become your personal home because you are in it allowing you to do what ever you want when you want.

I have never ever been on a ship where I have been indoors for days on end with no access to the out doors. I have never been indoors for that matter for more than two hours with out being out doors on a ship, to walk through, to get fresh air, to look for kids, what ever. I would say I spend more time out doors on a ship than any where else. We are constantly on deck seven, in and out..........if Nick wants to smoke, he has constant oppertunity in between what we are doing and when. You have only to come to look at montreal and look at some of the nicer hotels that have no smoking now, its a pouring rain day, you are standing in the street, far from the entrance because you cannot be with in X amount of metres from the door, there is no deck chair, no awnings, no cover of any sort.........just standing at a street corner for a smoke......and dont think you can go to places and light up, as Montreal, as is all of Quebec and Ontario, are smoke free, it is illegal to smoke in stores, bars, places to eat, you are not even alloud to smoke near the entrance or exits.........and remember......6 months of the year it is winter here.........

so you are right, and I am wrong after all, a Hotel it is not the same as a cruise ship, at least when smoking on the smoking side of deck seven, even if it rains, you are sheltered, you have chairs and tables and can enjoy a cofee, Same with at the smoking area of the buffet outside , or your balcony, or in the smoking bar on the ship .

Regardless, my point is that NCL was not the first to do this or in this way, and they wont be the last.............
you gave the example of being so many feet from the door in a hotel with no smoking being allowed inside. There is a difference: if smokers are to move x number of feet from the ship they would soon be in the water. BTW, I smoke a huge 1 pack every week or two, thus I can hardly be called a smoker and I would never smoke in my cabin or in a hotel room. I am not sure I ever have, but there comes a time when, as long as it isn't against the law we have to learn to meet on in the middle. Non smokers seem to want to control everyone and everything. again, I can live with whatever the policy is. I do admit to smoking like a chimney in the casino.
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Well Nita, I would much rather smoke on Deck 7 of the DAWN, with a comfy chair, a book, a cup of tea , and cover from the elements, than stand on a street corner for three minutes and run back inside..........to each his own. It is a difference that I can well live with.
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