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Luanne, maybe not, because the other guy may make things worse.

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That's true Manuel. I just worry that we will run out of money, before President Obama finishes what he wants to do.

I do wish he would take a few days off the road to do something about the high prices. Every week I see high prices at the store, not to mention the gas prices. I know he doesn't want to do much with gas, because he wants us to go green, but we took years to become middle class, and now we are closing in on being below.

It also bothers me that he has not had a budget for the last four years. Isn't that what helps to not spend more money than we have? It works in our house.
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What gets me the most about the present administration is that it largely got elected by pushing the idea that "Bush lied" --- about there being weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Even at the time I thought it was more a matter of Bush choosing to believe, from conflicting reports, those which aligned with what he wanted justification for.

But anyhow --- why doesn't anyone say that Obama lied? During the campaign he mocked Hilary for wanting to create a national healthcare system; yet upon election that became his signature issue. And remember that "if you like your current policy, you can keep it"? Well, unless his program pulls the better part of a billion dollars out of Medicare Advantage reimbursements to pay for his expansion of medical welfare benefits, which caused insurance companies to have to eliminate their Advantage programs. My husband and I are among the millions who lost our coverage that used to cost $20 per month, INCLUDING drug coverage. Now we need a "supplemental" program that costs us each $130 per month, PLUS part D at (I think) $37 per month. Somewhere around that, anyhow. By the way, how many of you know that his plan also requires that the base Medicare part B monthly premium, now $104.20, increase to $120.20 next year and to $247 in 2014?
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The President has very little to do with consumer prices in a free market economy. He can "meddle" in the short term (free up oil reserves) but it eventually goes back to the way it was before. In fact, if the other guys get a term, they propose less overall Govt. meddling (a funny concept, since the Govt. is in charge of trade protectionism) so, regardless of what they say, store prices should continue to increase under their watch as well. Store prices are a global, not a local phenomenon.
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Sistersolo,

He does lie a lot, but it doesn't seem to matter.

Obamacare is going to shock most people. Obama has already taken money from medicare, and plans to take more and more in the next couple of years. It is also going to cost a lot more than most people think, but that happens when people support things that they don't read first.

I think maybe he will win in Nov. because he is fighting hard to get the voter ID laws thrown out, and fighting to keep the military from voting, so it will be easier for him.

It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
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By the way, how many of you know that his plan also requires that the base Medicare part B monthly premium, now $104.20, increase to $120.20 next year and to $247 in 2014?
This is an Internet myth started back before 2010 and has propagated itself in emails and websites.

Even AARP has dispelled this myth.

Myth of the $247 Medicare Part B Premium, No Part B Rate Increase Unde... - AARP
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I have a question for all of you. I am watching a show where they are discussing vote ID. Here in Texas we have to show where we live, so that they can make sure that we are voting in the right place. They have a large voter book, where they check off your name once you have voted.

In order to register to vote, you have to show ID. Usually two pieces. If you live 20 miles from town, you still have to come to the local town to vote, and to register.

They keep saying it is a disadvantage to those who do not have ID. They say that people cannot get to a place to get ID because it is to far. Don't you still have to go somewhere to vote.

I am confused. Someone please explain. Also how do you get through life, without ID?
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In most places, voter registration requires that you prove that you LIVE in the district; and often that is shown by people producing mail addressed to them within the district. The problem is that most often it is not required that you prove that you are the person to whom that mail was addressed. It is possible for someone to register under an assumed name. Also, when it comes to actually voting, many places do not require a picture ID. If you know that someone who is registered will NOT be voting - who may have died, or moved, or be temporarily incapacitated - you could show up, say you're that person, and be handed a ballot. As to living without ID, all that requires is that you operate on a cash-only basis. The person voting illegally may well have ID, though; just not for whom he or she is claiming to be.
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Thank you for the info. Does that mean that those in this country, who are not Americans can use a letter to their address, and vote?

Do they also have to show a voter registration card to prove they are registrated?
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Because voter registration procedures vary not only from state to state, but even from community to community; and from extremely rigid to extremely lax, it is certainly possible in some areas for illegal immigrants to register and to vote. Most places don't even issue voter registration cards; you just say your name to the teller, who checks your name on a list and hands you your ballot or points you to the next available machine.
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I am a confirmed independent when it comes to politics. At this point I am disgusted with both parties. Are either party really "listening to american public?". This congress is one that has done nothing except "bicker" so it has prevented "constructive legislation" to happen. Obama promised "change" and now he says "forward". The "change" in our house is that my husband, Rob, got laid off from his job due to "lack of funding" on a government contract. He was fortunate that he was old enough to retire. Where is our household going to go "forward" from? Both parties better start "listening" to the american public. This is not the country that I had grown up in!
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I was up late into the night trying to read as much as I could about both men. I always assumed that hope and change was making things better, but now know what the change is.

It took many hours and going deep into a world that I had only learned about shortly in school.

President Obama's change is not where I want to go.

He truly hopes to change our counrty into something that founding fathers would not reconize. I like our country, and although it has it's faults, it doesn't need that kind of change.

It is always important to do the research, and although it requires time, it is so important in order to get things right.

If all of you do nothing else, please find out what he means by the change.
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I am in the same situation.

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Ive been a swing vote in the past. But. Im not sufficiently pissed off to change my vote to R&R. All this doom and gloom Im just not seeing it.
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The gloom is abundant in many parts of this country. If Obama is returned to office, we might just have the doom. Look what Socialism is doing to several of the countries in Europe. Obama has had four years to make positive changes. As far as I can discern, nothing positive has occurred. The 8.2 unemployment is terrible and would be much higher if it included the people who have given up trying to find a job. When I was in the military, I loved my R&R. I think that the whole country is ready for its R&R.
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Luanne - here in Wisconsin we have "same day registration" to vote! You show up at the polling place, produce something with your name and address on it and you are allowed to vote. No questions asked, nada, zip, zero, zilch. And no photo ID required. VERY easy to vote fraudulently here. Too easy. And yes, people have been found to be voting illegally, but the DA here in Milwaukee is a democrat and no one is EVER charged; even after the person(s) admit they did vote illegally.

Wisconsin passed a law requiring a photo id to vote.......over 75% of the population here support it. If you can't afford a photo the law states that the state will provide you one FOR FREE. Guess what? Illegal immigration groups, far left leaning groups and others have sued in court to block this law from taking effect. Under the Wisconsin constitution, all challenges to state laws are required to be filed in Dane County - home of Madison, the state Capital. Just one problem though.....Dane County is one of the MOST liberal counties in the country. And not one, but two liberal judges have issued injunctions barring the institution of the law.......until the state supreme court can hear the case. Which won't be til this fall, so even if they make a quick decision, it won't be implemented in time for the national election in November, so once again, voter fraud will be easy to do here.
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The gloom is abundant in many parts of this country. If Obama is returned to office, we might just have the doom. Look what Socialism is doing to several of the countries in Europe. Obama has had four years to make positive changes. As far as I can discern, nothing positive has occurred. The 8.2 unemployment is terrible and would be much higher if it included the people who have given up trying to find a job. When I was in the military, I loved my R&R. I think that the whole country is ready for its R&R.
If R&R are elected this country will be a diaster .

If O &B are re-elected this country may be a disaster

Even though Obama is much too conservative for me I may have to vote for his as the lesser of 2 evils .
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I don't buy that gloom and doom propaganda. We have a great country with a lot of resources and we can handle what problems we have.
What we don't need is mis-guided politicians like Bush starting un-funded wars.

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I don't buy that gloom and doom propaganda. We have a great country with a lot of resources and we can handle what problems we have.
What we don't need is mis-guided politicians like Bush starting un-funded wars.

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No thank you.
This is the kind of statement that drives me crazy. If a demo doesn't have an answer, they resort to name calling.

Alarm is in the eyes of the beholder. Some would not, and should not be alarmed. If you are happy with the direction the country is going in, then you vote for Obama.

If you came to this country, and became a citizen, and you figure losing a few rights is still better than what you had before, then he's your man.

If you were born in this country, are use to all the rights you were born with, then take a second look.

If you don't mind Pres. Obama when he says a business owner didn't build it, then he's your man.

If you believe as he does that we are all better off dependent on the gov.

Then he is your man.

If you believe that the gov. should work together to get us off the credit card of China, encourage the people to stand tall, and work hard to make it yourself, then we need someone who can lead us.

We are Americans and we have the right to pick who we want to lead us. No one should tell you who to vote for, because we as Americans have a mind of our own.

No one should call anyone names. We are being divided, ladies and gentlemen. If you don't approve of Obama, you are a bigot. If you like Rommney, your rich. Neither one is true in all cases.

When I was a child a then Soviet leader said that" His country would never have to attack us, because we were defeating ourselves."

United we stand, divided we fall.

The most important thing is to vote.
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Does our vote really count at all?

How did Bush get elected the first time?

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President Obama was elected. But from that very moment 45% of the population did not accept him as the elected President of the United States.

And if Romney is elected, 45% of the population will not accept that result either.

Now, how do you solve that problem?... when elections don't count, because your party (whichever that may be) didn't win.
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This is the kind of statement that drives me crazy. If a demo doesn't have an answer, they resort to name calling.

Alarm is in the eyes of the beholder. Some would not, and should not be alarmed. If you are happy with the direction the country is going in, then you vote for Obama.

If you came to this country, and became a citizen, and you figure losing a few rights is still better than what you had before, then he's your man.

If you were born in this country, are use to all the rights you were born with, then take a second look.

If you don't mind Pres. Obama when he says a business owner didn't build it, then he's your man.

If you believe as he does that we are all better off dependent on the gov.

Then he is your man.

If you believe that the gov. should work together to get us off the credit card of China, encourage the people to stand tall, and work hard to make it yourself, then we need someone who can lead us.

We are Americans and we have the right to pick who we want to lead us. No one should tell you who to vote for, because we as Americans have a mind of our own.

No one should call anyone names. We are being divided, ladies and gentlemen. If you don't approve of Obama, you are a bigot. If you like Rommney, your rich. Neither one is true in all cases.

When I was a child a then Soviet leader said that" His country would never have to attack us, because we were defeating ourselves."

United we stand, divided we fall.

The most important thing is to vote.
Oh please. If it wasn't for mud slinging, the repos would have nothing to say. They do not seem to have a clue what the majority of America wants. They were clueless in the last election and learned nothing from their epic failure. They are clueless again and will lose again. It won't stop them from trying to buy the election and I'm not talking about Mitt's money.

The President has no ability to make the laws. To imply that rights will be lost because of who is elected President is 100% alarmist and depending on America being ignorant as to how things work.

Washington always has been and always will be about money and none of the politicians that are electable give a damn about the people.

Yes, voting is most important. I have little doubt that there are more dead people voting than illegals. Trying to make illegals an issue is just another misdirection away from real issues.
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Oh please. If it wasn't for mud slinging, the repos would have nothing to say. They do not seem to have a clue what the majority of America wants. They were clueless in the last election and learned nothing from their epic failure. They are clueless again and will lose again. It won't stop them from trying to buy the election and I'm not talking about Mitt's money.

The President has no ability to make the laws. To imply that rights will be lost because of who is elected President is 100% alarmist and depending on America being ignorant as to how things work.

Washington always has been and always will be about money and none of the politicians that are electable give a damn about the people.

Yes, voting is most important. I have little doubt that there are more dead people voting than illegals. Trying to make illegals an issue is just another misdirection away from real issues.

There is a way for the President to make law

Executive Orders are controversial because they allow the President to make major decisions, even law, without the consent of Congress. This, of course, runs against the general logic of the Constitution -- that no one should have power to act unilaterally. Nevertheless, Congress often gives the President considerable leeway in implementing and administering federal law and programs. Sometimes, Congress cannot agree exactly how to implement a law or program. In effect, this leaves the decision to the federal agencies involved and the President that stands at their head. When Congress fails to spell out in detail how a law is to be executed, it leaves the door open for the President to provide those details in the form of Executive Orders
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I have a question. Is there any possible way that rich career politicians like Obama, Reid and Pelosi can provide better leadership for our country than a rich business man like Romney? The last four years have proven that Obama can't run anything. Logic indicates that a business man can't do any worse. Any improvement would be welcome. Think of the debt that your children and grandchildren already owe and what it will be with four more years of the same inept leadership
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I have a question. Is there any possible way that rich career politicians like Obama, Reid and Pelosi can provide better leadership for our country than a rich business man like Romney? The last four years have proven that Obama can't run anything. Logic indicates that a business man can't do any worse. Any improvement would be welcome. Think of the debt that your children and grandchildren already owe and what it will be with four more years of the same inept leadership

Paul... I think if the Republicans had a decent candidate in the race, they should have, and would have run away with the election.

It isn't running away with it because of the candidate.

I just finished watching Romney's speech at a campaign event in New Hampshire.

Quote from Romeny "We're going to get rid of Obama Care and relace it with something... that is going to create jobs".

If you think about that statement it's hard not to laugh.

A good candidate would say what they are replacing Obama Care with. State their actual idea, and believe it would be supported by the electorate, even if there was some risk of losing.

BTW...I was in private business for 35 years. Sadly, not anywhere close to the success of Romney, but we did OK. I am in favor of business.
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Inept? Inept? Bush was the definition of inept. This mess happened under HIS watch, not Obamas. People go on about how much Obama is spending. The economy is improving, slowly, but improving. How much did the wars cost us under Bush? Who allowed subprime activity? How soon we forget. (And I voted for Bush the first time)
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