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Old November 18th, 2012, 01:18 PM
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:22 PM
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I don't read long winded and boring posts or articles, but I skimmed enough to express and opinion on that lying, wealthy, jackass PapaJohn.

His numbers are bogus (much like his lies, um puffery, about better ingredients, better pizza).

Did the prof arrive at the same conclusion?
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The article repeats what others have said, but does it matter? The new health care plan is law, and is taking place now, so it really doesn't matter what people say or do, right?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:43 AM
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The article repeats what others have said, but does it matter? The new health care plan is law, and is taking place now, so it really doesn't matter what people say or do, right?
It always matters what people say and do. Obama himself has stated this is not a perfect law and changes need to be made.

What I am proposing, is that instead of people moaning and groaning about this law, we should be working together, both sides, to see how we can make it better.
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But, it's Obama's baby. Don't you think the dems should be the one to fix it. At this point, anything the repubs say or do will be put down as something it isn't.

I would hate for a CULT to fix medical care.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:46 AM
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But, it's Obama's baby. Don't you think the dems should be the one to fix it. At this point, anything the repubs say or do will be put down as something it isn't.

I would hate for a CULT to fix medical care.
Well, really it is OUR baby. I am one of the people responsible in the US for this law being enacted. It effects all of us so it is ours now.

No, I don't want a CULT to have any part in our governance. Since the Republican party has been being controlled by people who are exhibiting those traits, you are correct. The majority of the people in this country will continue to reject many of their ideas.

It is just really simple. If the only people you listen to are the ones that support your opinions and you label anyone who doesn't agree with you with a label like, liberal, socialist, like Hitler, etc, you really do not have a realistic view of what is going on. Can we not agree on this?

Finally we see some of the more Moderate Republicans speaking out - and what happens, they get beat up by others in their party! They get called traitor or sell outs. They even lambasted Chris Christie for simply welcoming Obama to his State.

People are tired of this stuff. It is the antithesis to rational discussion and, frankly, buffoonish. The talk among the liberal bloggers is that they hope NOTHING changes in the Republican Party. They believe if the party stays the same they will loose the 2016 election. I tend to agree with them. The demographics are hard to argue with.

The one other elephant in the room for the Republicans is that their economic policies have totally failed. Despite the incredible smokescreen they have spewed out over the last 12 years, the Bush tax cuts and two unpaid for wars have nearly brought this country to it's knees.

I just bought a very nice Martin guitar. I have wanted one for over 50 years. I had to put it on layaway so I am paying a little for it every week. I am married and have one of my adult children living with me and working with me. When the decision to buy the guitar was made we ALL decided we would do with fewer meals out and not so many trips to the brew pub.

The basic principle is we all sacrificed to pay off our debt.

We now all have to pay off the debt that was the result of the Bush Presidency. If you read the fact - this is the truth.

WHO PAY FOR THIS? Obama wants to extend the tax cuts to the groups of people hit hardest by the economy, and let them expire for those making $250,000 a year or more. This means you could earn up to $250,000 a year with out being effected by the return to the old rate.

Romney/Ryan wanted to gut the very services that help the poor and middle class to climb up the economic ladder - and keep the tax breaks on the wealthy. What this means it that - THE POOR AND THE MIDDLE CLASS would pay for the debt, and the rich, once again get off Scott free.

This is a big reason Romney lost. Polls show most Americans are in favor of letting the rich, finally, pay some of the cost of running a society like ours.

It is ludicrous that in a society as wealthy as we are that some people did not have health care. The first step has been made and I am proud as he** that I am one of the Progressives that were a part of that historic first step.
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I agree with some of what you have said, but we are talking about health care, and that is a demo thing. The repubs, had a plan that would not have been as expensive, but it was shot down.

Now taxes will go up, people will see less availablility of docs who treat Medicare patients, and who knows what else will happen.

The time for working together was when this plan was being put together. It's to late to stop this freight train. Now we have to learn to deal with it, and hopefully it will do what it was promoted to do.

I still say that the best way for all to come together, is for those on both sides to stop calling the other, names. You can't expect people to come together when so much time is spent calling people cults, and racist.

As far as the Bush years, I have no idea what history will tell us. I guess only time will tell.

As far as Repubs plan to get us out of this mess. Many plans have been put on the table, and shot down. Now we have to wonder was this bad plans, or more politics, where the demos couldn't stand the fact that it would make the repubs look good.

My biggest fear is that we have all been screwed, because who won the elections was more important than what was right for Americans.

On a lighter side. We now know you love your pot, have a new guitar, so all we need to hear is you have a long beard, and flowers in your hair.
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On a lighter side. We now know you love your pot, have a new guitar, so all we need to hear is you have a long beard, and flowers in your hair.
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OK, my cover has been blown. I might as well pack it up and move to San Francisco!

Seriously Luanne, most economists are saying that this health care plan will end up saving us money. A lot of focus has been on taxes but the current health care system would have taken us all down.

You seem like a reasonable individual. Please read this Business Week article:

Why Obamacare's Tax Increase Isn't the Biggest Ever - Businessweek

In this article it states that if you are a couple earning over $250,000 or more, yes your taxes will go up - for everyone else it is a net gain. I do not see the down side of that. I don't earn ANYWHERE close to $250,000 but I would agree to a tax hike for myself if it would mean that most everyone could get access to health care.

Here is the chart that the article mentions:



Oh, and I know this will TOTALLY blow any scrap of credibility I have, but I do have long hair. I usually wear it in a pony tail but it is down this morning. Honestly, I wear it like this because my wife likes it, it is a bit of a hassle.

As a side note, something you might be able to explain to me. Every since I have begun to wear my hair in a pony tail I have had women hit on me. I have never had this happen before. I am 62 years old, not really that great looking, and I am happily married. I have even had women hit on me in front of my wife - which can be an interesting situation to say the least.

What is the deal? I would have loved this when I was younger and single and I can not say that it is not flattering for an old guy, but it is, well, weird at this time in my life.
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Why pick San Fran? Do you have another confession to make?

I hope your chart and words are right. I would like nothing else better than to have everyone covered, and it not banktrup the rest of us.

As far as the pony tail. It's a come on to some. It says you are a free spriit, and will do anything, or it means you have a fear of scissors.

Oh my gosh, are we starting to communicate with each other? Now if I can get you to stop calling people names that don't agree with you, hell, we might end up as friends.
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Why pick San Fran? Do you have another confession to make?

I hope your chart and words are right. I would like nothing else better than to have everyone covered, and it not banktrup the rest of us.

As far as the pony tail. It's a come on to some. It says you are a free spriit, and will do anything, or it means you have a fear of scissors.

Oh my gosh, are we starting to communicate with each other? Now if I can get you to stop calling people names that don't agree with you, hell, we might end up as friends.
Yup, I think that is happening. When you get right down to it - it is really all about knowing the people and the situations instead of adhering to a doctrine.

Nope, no other confessions about San Fran. You mentioned flowers in my hair and it reminded me of the verse:

...and when you come to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair."

So you are saying women are attracted to free spirits, or people who are afraid of scissors? Men everywhere want to know!
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