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Old February 4th, 2006, 04:20 AM
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Wow Norm, thanks for your in depth review of Celebrity! Do you cruise as a single or with family or friends. Actually the same Hawaiian cruise your going on is the one that I favor. I don't like to fly long flights I would much rather relax on board and cruise to Hawaii. But no one I know want's to go yet. Since Im single and my friends are pretty much married off or have kids, I don't have someone to travel with, I go with the singles groups. I am currently trying to get the singles groups like Vacations to Go to offer Celebrity along with the other choices. They say it's not that singles friendly but they offer Holland America line which many people tell me is mostly all senjors. I did hear of the diffences in the more upscale crowd on Celebrity. Im sort of a person who can blend in with people from all walks, I look forward to comparing and contrasting with Carnival, and Costa.

I must say I work in the liqour industry, and I was very impressed with the wine tasting on Carnival which pared wine with food. I learned a lot. I sometimes longed for a more dressed up crowd though. Other times I think Id like to try a Windjammer and wear tee shirts and shorts all week. My main reservation about booking a Royal Carribeean cruise is safety issues as the George Allen Smith and I think Amy Bradley were both on board RCL ships I belive. Im disappointed in the handling of these cases and don't belive that people just opps feel overboard.

Yes I did hear about the new RCL ship being larger then the Queen Mary but Im dying to try Cunard (Im a Titanic history fan) so ships and lines like that are more reminiscent of a bigone era. So I would have loved that lecture about the history of Ocean liners as well. Have you been on the Queen Mary or QE2? I have been to Panama canal but my ship did not tranist the canal. I want to do Alaska but Im much more a fan of warm weather.

Being a animal person I love the ecco tours, that deal with animals and nature. I have some real exotic cruises I would love to try like Vietnam from Hanoi to Saigon. I would also like to cruise the Nile but the middle east isn't perhaps that safe these days for Americans. Well I think we are going off topic here but If I have any questions I will instant message you, please post reviews of your cruises on this site and message me when they are posted so I can read them.
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Wow Norm, thanks for your in depth review of Celebrity!

You're welcome, though I really just tried to highlight what may be the most noticeable differences.

Do you cruise as a single or with family or friends.

I have done both. Even if I'm with family or friends, though, I'm always open to making new friends.

Actually the same Hawaiian cruise your going on is the one that I favor. I don't like to fly long flights I would much rather relax on board and cruise to Hawaii. But no one I know want's to go yet.

I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a cabin with a stranger, but I would be very open to linking our bookings so that the ship will assign us to the same table at dinner, etc., if you (or any other singles) widh to book on that itineriary.

I am currently trying to get the singles groups like Vacations to Go to offer Celebrity along with the other choices. They say it's not that singles friendly but they offer Holland America line which many people tell me is mostly all senjors

I have always felt quite welcome on Celebrity, even as a solo traveller. Nonetheless, it does make sense to me that Celebrity would be very eager to book a large "singles" group. For better or worse, many "singlse" organizations seem to attract the "frat party" crowd who are into raucus partying and "one-night stands" that would be disruptive and perhaps even offensive to the majority of the line's passengers. Celebrity does offer the usual "singles gatherings" for solo travellers, though, and it's rare not to find other solo travellers on a Celebrity cruise.

I must say I work in the liqour industry, and I was very impressed with the wine tasting on Carnival which pared wine with food.

I'm surprised that Carhival's wine tasting would include wine and food pairing, as Princess -- which is (or at least was) considerably more "upscale" than Carnival, never included wine and food pairing in its wine tasting seminars, but thank you for passing along that tidbit. On Celebrity, though, the wine and food pairing is actually a separate seminar from the wine tasting.

I sometimes longed for a more dressed up crowd though. Other times I think Id like to try a Windjammer and wear tee shirts and shorts all week.

I hear what you are saying, and I also would be at ease in either environment. The "more dressed up crowd" is pretty much what you will find on Celebrity.

My main reservation about booking a Royal Carribeean cruise is safety issues as the George Allen Smith and I think Amy Bradley were both on board RCL ships I belive. Im disappointed in the handling of these cases and don't belive that people just opps feel overboard.

The two cases appear to be completely unrelated and each appears to be an isolated incident. I can't speak to what happened to Amy Bradley, but it appears that the line not only is not at fault in the case of George Allen Smith but also is fully cooperating with both Turkish and U. S. authorities who are investigating the matter. Unfortunately, statements from Jennifer Hagel Smith and her investigators seem to be dominating the media coverage while the press has substantially ignored several statements from the cruise line (http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir...item_id=801085, http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir...item_id=803310, http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir...item_id=806844, http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir...item_id=808685). What's not stated in any public disclosures, though, is that the company probably has given extensive video footage documenting the movements of all involved in this incident throughout the ship to the investigating authorities. It's evident that the investigators reviewed this footage to ascertain that Jennifer Hagel Smith had passed out in one of the ship's lounges and spent the night there, for example. The surveillance cameras record all activity in all public spaces and passageways throughout the ship, and thus would show who had entered the Smiths' cabin during the period when George Allen Smith disappeared.

Based upon my knowledge of the case, it appears pretty certain that some thugs travelling as passengers saw George Allen Smith win a substantial sum in the ship's casino and subsequently decided to "roll" him and steal his winnings. The fact that his new bride passed out in the lounge that night provided them with an opportunity to do so. Such incidents are extremely rare, but could happen on any cruise line. In fact, such incidents probably are more likely on more "upscale" lines that draw a more affluent crowd because that's where thugs looking for an easy mark with a fat wallet would have the greatest expectation of finding one.

BTW, these two stories made major headlines precisely because incidents of these types are extremely rare. A couple years ago, it surfaced that Carnival Cruse Line had over five hundred (500) passengers file complaints of sexual assualts by members of their crew over a period of five years, yet those incidents -- an average of about two per week -- drew absolutely no publicity, individually, when they occured. The real shocker was that the cruise line took no disciplinary action whatsoever against the members of its crews who were involved in those incidents. The line said that it would start taking action when the FBI threatened to get involved, but I have since heard that not much really changed. I simply cannot envision Royal Caribbean International tolerating members of its crew being implicated in such incidents.

Yes I did hear about the new RCL ship being larger then the Queen Mary but Im dying to try Cunard (Im a Titanic history fan) so ships and lines like that are more reminiscent of a bigone era. So I would have loved that lecture about the history of Ocean liners as well. Have you been on the Queen Mary or QE2?

Then by all means book a Cunard cruise if you must!

I have stayed away from Cunard, partly because the word was that the line had seen major deterioration when I started cruising and partly because Carnival Corporation -- the parent company of Carnival Cruise Line, Holland America Line, Costa Crociere, Seaborne, Windstar, and several others -- acquired it before merging operations with P&O Princess Cruises Plc. (now Carnival Plc.), the parent company of Princess Cruises, P&O Cruises, and Aida Cruises. Prior to the merger of operations with P&O Princess Cruises Plc., I had noted that many vessels of the lines owned by P&O Princess Cruises Plc. were showing extensive signs of neglected maintenance. The company also had a slew of very serious operational incidents that put several ships and their passengers in danger of the type that neglected maintenance would cause. The sea has enough perils of its own without the risks associated with neglected maintenance, so I decided to avoid all lines that the company owned or controlled until there was a noticeable improvement in its record. Alas, just as I thought I was seeing a noticeable improvement in its record, MV Queen Mary II sustains major damage to its propulsion system and the company decides to cruise anyway rather than putting the ship into drydock to repair the damage....

I have been to Panama canal but my ship did not tranist the canal.

Both of my Panama Canal cruises were full tranists -- one in each direction. I'm ready to do it again, too, going either way!

BTW, the day spent transiting the Panama Canal is one of the few exceptions to Celebrity's normal policy regarding use of the public address system. During the transit, the guides use the public address system so you can hear their narration on all of the ship's open decks.

I want to do Alaska but Im much more a fan of warm weather.

Some ports on Alaska's "Inside Passage" may be somewhat cool and you'll want a warm jacket while visiting glaciers, but the portion of Alaska where the tours go (Anchorage, Denali, and Fairbanks, for example) is very pleasant in the summertime. Anchorage's daytime temperatures are typically in the low 80's in the summertime and Fairbanks is often even warmer due to the chinook effect of the mountains that surround it. Overall, Alaska is definitely a "must see" destination. And yes, I'm ready to go back -- maybe even this summer if I find a reasobalble deal!

Being a animal person I love the ecco tours, that deal with animals and nature.

That's another very compelling reason to go to Alaska. The abundance of wildlife is incredible and they have species that you won't find in many other accessible destinations.

I would love to try like Vietnam from Hanoi to Saigon. I would also like to cruise the Nile but the middle east isn't perhaps that safe these days for Americans.

Yes, all of those exotic destinations sound intriguing -- but when circumstances allow. I also have (1) Australia and New Zealand, (2) a transit across the South Pacific, (3) Asia's "Pacific Rim," (4) Cape Horn and the Strait of Magellan, (5) the Baltic Sea, and (6) the Black Sea and the Greek Isles on my list of "must see" destinations where I have not gone as yet.

Well I think we are going off topic here...

Well, off the primary topic of this thread but not off the topic of this board. Perhaps there are other singles who would be interested in going to some or all of these destinations, too!

Again, you're welcome to book on either or both of the two cruises that I have booked.

Happy cruising, whatever you decide!

Norm.
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Hi Norm,

Loved reading both yours and Showcat messages so much knowledge of cruising.

Below I will respond to some of your posts.


I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a cabin with a stranger, but I would be very open to linking our bookings so that the ship will assign us to the same table at dinner, etc., if you (or any other singles) widh to book on that itineriary.

As a mention many times on this site my feelings about rooming with a stranger on a ship and willing to pay the extra money for the peace of mind knowing I can come and go as I please in my room.

I have always felt quite welcome on Celebrity, even as a solo traveller. Nonetheless, it does make sense to me that Celebrity would be very eager to book a large "singles" group. For better or worse, many "singlse" organizations seem to attract the "frat party" crowd who are into raucus partying and "one-night stands" that would be disruptive and perhaps even offensive to the majority of the line's passengers.

Since I only been on one cruise I did not see the "frat party" atmosphere even though it was a New Year's cruise. I would assume Club Getaway would be like that but again I have yet to experience it.

I hear what you are saying, and I also would be at ease in either environment. The "more dressed up crowd" is pretty much what you will find on Celebrity.

I also agree with Showcat, that getting out your tux or black suit would be great but I have seen people eating at formal dinner dressing down.

Based upon my knowledge of the case, it appears pretty certain that some thugs travelling as passengers saw George Allen Smith win a substantial sum in the ship's casino and subsequently decided to "roll" him and steal his winnings. The fact that his new bride passed out in the lounge that night provided them with an opportunity to do so.

I too suspect something fishy (no pun intended) has been going on during this cruise. I am all for drinking and having fun but you also have to be aware of your surroundings and be alert, the cruiseline can only do so much and can't play the roll of a "babysitter".

BTW, these two stories made major headlines precisely because incidents of these types are extremely rare. A couple years ago, it surfaced that Carnival Cruse Line had over five hundred (500) passengers file complaints of sexual assualts by members of their crew over a period of five years, yet those incidents -- an average of about two per week -- drew absolutely no publicity, individually, when they occured. The real shocker was that the cruise line took no disciplinary action whatsoever against the members of its crews who were involved in those incidents.

I can imagine crew members "hitting on passengers" and actually have consentual sex with the female passengers. I believe that they continually do it because there are women who will let them. Anything is up for grabs.

Again, Norm love reading your post.
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Since I only been on one cruise I did not see the "frat party" atmosphere even though it was a New Year's cruise. I would assume Club Getaway would be like that but again I have yet to experience it.

I'm not suggesting that all "singles" organizations would be that way, but I do believe that some cruise lines -- probably including Celebrity -- would err on the side of avoidance.

I can imagine crew members "hitting on passengers" and actually have consentual sex with the female passengers. I believe that they continually do it because there are women who will let them. Anything is up for grabs

Each cruise line has its own policies. Princess, for example, has (or at least had) a very strict policy prohibiting crew members from either entering a passenger cabin other than to perform their duties or inviting passengers to crew spaces to prevent such problems, and violation of this policy was grounds for immediate dismissal. The line may or may not have notices every infraction, it's very easy to check the security videos to confirm an infraction whenever a passenger files a complaint.

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Each cruise line has its own policies. Princess, for example, has (or at least had) a very strict policy prohibiting crew members from either entering a passenger cabin other than to perform their duties or inviting passengers to crew spaces to prevent such problems, and violation of this policy was grounds for immediate dismissal. The line may or may not have notices every infraction, it's very easy to check the security videos to confirm an infraction whenever a passenger files a complaint.

Hi Norm,

Princess (The Love Boat) cruiseline probably had that policy for years because women and men assume that seeing the TV crew making love with passengers and other crew member were commonplace put an end to that practice.

The cruise I've been on I saw one of the male crew with a female passenger making out away from the security camera. The crew knows how to avoid detention by either having the woman walk in front or behind or even meet at a certain place or time. And I have no problem with that since the cruiseline don't really enforce the issue. I read plenty of posts on this site and others from women who met crew members and had an onboard romance. Funny, I have not read about male passengers having a romance with a female crew member, does it happen, probably.

As you mention in your previous post Carnival (and other cruiseline) have complains of sexual harrassment from crew members . . . why am I not surprise.

In my previous post, some women passengers expect to meet a crew member to get involved with and they are crew members who are more than happy to comply.
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Anyone going in october on the carnaval valor?, I know it's far away but I'm so excited. I hear this halloween cruise is the best. Any feedback?
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I had booked the October '06 Valor Halloween cruise with SinglesCruise as well.! It's going to be my first cruise though, so I can't tell you whether it's better than any other ones though. I'm counting down the months though! See you there!
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Boy did we go off topic here guys, Im sure we are pissing off a few people who want to stick to the Halloween subject but very interesting conversation anyway. Back to Halloween I do hear these are the best singles cruises and attract the largest groups. Seems people love to dress up. Lot's of choices too this year with more then one company. I like the 2 offered by Vacations to Go. Im happy with this company their prices are fair and they do a good job, well organized without the drunken frat party atmosphere, well excpet for that toga night we had...
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I heard that the Carnival Pride is a great ship to cruise on. I have already booked a cabin for Oct.29th,2006 with vacationstogo.com Hosted Singles.
I am looking foreward to meeting new singles. Luci
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Hey Showcat, I am a cruise addict. I need a fix soon. I may reconsider and go on the Sun Princess on July 23rd with J as my roomie. Did you notice the price has gone down to $799. for an insider to Alaska?
VTG is charging $1099.00 per person for an insider on the same cruiseship. The ship is soooo small it will be easy to hang out with my VTG singles friends on the ship. I can save $300. by doing that.
I will be talking with J again on April 7th. We might re-consider because I need my fix. . Luci
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Do both Luci! You can't not do the Pride since you told Dixie to get this ship for a singles cruise! J will just have to treat you to Alaska! Halloween would not be the same without you to make another grand entrance! Besides we need your craft skills to help make our costumes look beautiful!
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I just came back from my 7th singles cruise with singlescruise.com I think that halloween is the best cruise of them all.I have done the halloween cruise 3 years in a row,2003,2004,2005.I can't make it this year because of work.If anyone has any questions about singlescruise.com you can e-mail at shyjen1968@yahoo.com
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I considered a singles cruise.com cruise but they charge a booking fee, plus thier prices are too high. Vacations to Go have lower prices and the staff is wonderful I can't say enough about what a great job they do. If singles cruise ever drops their prices and booking fee I would give them a shot just to compare. But over all Im really happy with Vacations to Go.
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This will be my first ever Cruise. I am wondering. Does everyone dress in costume for the Halloween party? Can you rent a costume on board?
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Rachelle,

Does everyone dress in costume for the Halloween party?

I have been on one cruise over Halloween -- a Panama Canal cruises aboard MV Sun Princess in 1998. They had a Halloween party in the disco after the shows with a costume contest. Other ships may do something different.

Can you rent a costume on board?

No. Bring your costume with you. The more original and creative, the better!

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Anyone else on the Halloween cruise with Single Cruises aboard the Valor??
Hi Tradewind62, I will be on this cruise. I originally was on the Spirit but after chatting with Singlescruise.com and learning that the singles group will be larger on the Valor - I switched.
So I hope to see you on board. I will also be booking the pre-cruise hotel and joining some of the other singles at the planned dinner.
Can't wait - getting more and more difficult to concentrate at work.
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[/quote]Hi Tradewind62, I will be on this cruise. I originally was on the Spirit but after chatting with Singlescruise.com and learning that the singles group will be larger on the Valor - I switched.
So I hope to see you on board. I will also be booking the pre-cruise hotel and joining some of the other singles at the planned dinner.
Can't wait - getting more and more difficult to concentrate at work.[/quote]

I have to agree with Papermouse about the Caribbean groups attendance is larger than the west coast (Mexican) group.

With that said, larger does not necessary mean better, true if you are interested in meeting people you will have a greater selection, but there's also a downside that you may not get along with anyone. It's always best to go for quality than quantity. Any of the Halloween cruises should have quite a bit more people that the usual singles cruise.

It is always important to ask the Travel Agency sponsoring the single cruise plenty of questions about the attendance if they skirt around go to one that will give you a straight answer. Another is ask anyone who attended a Halloween single cruise for their experience.
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