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Old November 11th, 2000, 05:29 PM
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I have heard that beginning in Jan. Princess will have a mandatory charge of $6.50 per person per day charge automatically added to your shipboard account.
They say this will cover dinning room tips. I thought originally it was for free-style dinning, but later found out it not.

If that isn't enough, they are also increased the alternative dinning fee to either $15.00 to $20.00. I don't really care for this. Any ideas on what can be done?
Can we get intouch with Princess and file a complaint. I'm sailing with them this summer and really looking forward to it, but now I'm having 2nd thoughts.

Very disillusioned,
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Old November 11th, 2000, 07:04 PM
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By all means express your views to the cruiseline now and especially on the disembarkation comment card. I have decided that any line that automatically adds tips to my onboard account, I will immediately have the charges removed and continue tipping in the traditional way for services "received".
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Old November 11th, 2000, 09:25 PM
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How did you find out the $6.50 applies to all dining? I just saw a long thread about this on another cruise forum and the concensus was that it was only alternative dining and would help balance tips in the Bistro too. Traditional dining wouldn't be affected. I certainly hope not as I was budgeting on the suggested guidelines for my cruise in January. I'd certainly make a complaint if they added it on automatically.
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Old November 12th, 2000, 02:39 PM
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Someone called Princess and they said it wpuld go into effect in Jan. They also said it applies to all accounts. If there are going to do this then why should the wait staff be bother to give us any service at all.
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Old November 19th, 2000, 10:53 AM
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exactly, total tips to the dining room staff as suggested by Princess total $4.75 so where do they get the figure of $6.50 from. I always enjoy tipping my servers and usually tip more than suggested, I would totally object to it being added on automatically, and would request that it be removed,(and also put any cruise line that does this on my "don`t cruise with them anymore" list). T.I.P.S. always stood for--- "to insure prompt service". Automatic tipping would not do this. Just my 2 cents worth...jean
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Old November 19th, 2000, 05:17 PM
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I would like to put this in some perspective. We have cruised every year since 1972 so we have a lot of cruises under our belts. The foreign flagged cruise lines pay their waiters and room stewards anywhere from $50 to $75 per month with one line advertising "tipping not necessary", $250. Out of the month
stipend the cruise lines withhold part in case the crew member jumps ship before the end of the contract. Based on Maintenance and Cure Court cases, the room stewards and waiters on a 9 month contract can earn about $28,000 to $32,000 for working 14 hours a day,. 7 days a week. If the cruise lines had a no-tipping policy and were required to pay the amounts mentioned above, they would simply increase the cruise fare for which you would also *****. Over the years we have seem many passengers who do not tip at all. Those are the ones who do not show up the last night and not at breakfast time.. Christopher Reynolds who writes in the Los Amgeles Time Travel section,had an informative subject to how hotels add all sorts of a charges to the basic, advertised hotel bill.
And do you think you can get U.S. citizens to work 14 or more hours a day, seven days a week for the earnings on a foreign flagged cruise ships? There there is the matter of the United States labor laws, OSHA and possibly the Maritime Unions ? One of the reasons that we have not had any appreciable number of U.S. flagged ships is the strict requirements required by the Maritime Unions and U.S. laws, making it non-competitive to fly an American flag, let alone you could have no casinos. I think Princess is trying to make it easy since a lot of passengers, especially first time cruisers are confused over tipping. The best approach to us was when some cruise lines permitted you to use your credit cards for tipping. One thing that we have been critical of is tipping in the main dining room when the cruise line has open seating for breakfast and luncheon and you do not get the same waiters or buying a$30 bottle of wine, paying a 15% tips, when the wine steward gets the same 15% for an $18 bottle of wine.
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Old November 21st, 2000, 01:30 PM
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In reply to your post of being critical of tipping in the main dinning room while having open seating for breakfast and lunch, who do you think waits on you? It may not be your staff at the evening meal but they are somewhere else waiting on others, unless they pay someone to take thier place. I'm surprised that with all the years of sailing that you don't know this. As for the 15% on a thirty dollar bottle vs. a fifteen dollar bottle, what about a thirty dollar meal and a fifteen dollar meal?
I gues I really don't understand the problem.
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Old November 26th, 2000, 02:25 PM
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I received a critical e-mail about my posting on tipping and do not intend to get into an e-mail debate. We have always tipped. We even tip on Holland American that advertises tipping is not required. I have to wonder if Princess Cruises may be invoking the tip as part of the cost of cruising because those that are dependent on tipping are not getting enough from passengers.. The first cruise we ever took, hen leaving Jamaica, most of the waiters and room stewards had "jumped ship, so we had to be on our own for four days. In the mid 70's we were aboard a Princess ship midway between Los Angeles and Sydney ,Australia when the room stewards, who were then unionized threatened to go on strike. Both incidents were precipitated by insufficient tipping on prior cruises.

The current status of the cruise industry is quite different than ten or twenty years ago. Then you ate all your meals in the dining room with some exception, with the same waiter and assistant waiter. The food and service was batter than today. The waiters used to be European trained since in Europe, being a waiter is a profession. Nowadays the ships offer food service outside of the main dining room, morning, noon and night. On our last cruise this year we met two couples who ate all their meals in the alternative "mess hall" and they told us they were not tipping any waiters.

The cruise lines expect passengers to tip so they(the cruise lines) do not bear the expense of having to pay the crew members a decent salary. They want to keep the fares as low as possible to appear to be competitive but it is the hidden costs that can mount up. This is why they never added the port charges to their fare, making it a separate charge.
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Old November 26th, 2000, 02:26 PM
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I received a critical e-mail about my posting on tipping and do not intend to get into an e-mail debate. We have always tipped. We even tip on Holland American that advertises tipping is not required. I have to wonder if Princess Cruises may be invoking the tip as part of the cost of cruising because those that are dependent on tipping are not getting enough from passengers.. The first cruise we ever took, hen leaving Jamaica, most of the waiters and room stewards had "jumped ship, so we had to be on our own for four days. In the mid 70's we were aboard a Princess ship midway between Los Angeles and Sydney ,Australia when the room stewards, who were then unionized threatened to go on strike. Both incidents were precipitated by insufficient tipping on prior cruises.

The current status of the cruise industry is quite different than ten or twenty years ago. Then you ate all your meals in the dining room with some exception, with the same waiter and assistant waiter. The food and service was batter than today. The waiters used to be European trained since in Europe, being a waiter is a profession. Nowadays the ships offer food service outside of the main dining room, morning, noon and night. On our last cruise this year we met two couples who ate all their meals in the alternative "mess hall" and they told us they were not tipping any waiters.

The cruise lines expect passengers to tip so they(the cruise lines) do not bear the expense of having to pay the crew members a decent salary. The want to keep the fares as low as possible to appear to be competitive but it is hidden cots that can mount up. This is why they never added the port charges to their fare, making it a separate charge.
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Old November 26th, 2000, 02:29 PM
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I received a critical e-mail about my posting on tipping and do not intend to get into an e-mail debate. We have always tipped. We even tip on Holland American that advertises tipping is not required. I have to wonder if Princess Cruises may be invoking the tip as part of the cost of cruising because those that are dependent on tipping are not getting enough from passengers.. The first cruise we ever took, hen leaving Jamaica, most of the waiters and room stewards had "jumped ship, so we had to be on our own for four days. In the mid 70's we were aboard a Princess ship midway between Los Angeles and Sydney ,Australia when the room stewards, who were then unionized threatened to go on strike. Both incidents were precipitated by insufficient tipping on prior cruises.

The current status of the cruise industry is quite different than ten or twenty years ago. Then you ate all your meals in the dining room with some exception, with the same waiter and assistant waiter. The food and service was batter than today. The waiters used to be European trained since in Europe, being a waiter is a profession. Nowadays the ships offer food service outside of the main dining room, morning, noon and night. On our last cruise this year we met two couples who ate all their meals in the alternative "mess hall" and they told us they were not tipping any waiters.

The cruise lines expect passengers to tip so they(the cruise lines) do not bear the expense of having to pay the crew members a decent salary. The want to keep the fares as low as possible to appear to be competitive but it is hidden cots that can mount up. This is why they never added the port charges to their fare, making it a separate charge.
cruisingal wrote:
>
> I have heard that beginning in Jan. Princess will have a
> mandatory charge of $6.50 per person per day charge
> automatically added to your shipboard account.
> They say this will cover dinning room tips. I thought
> originally it was for free-style dinning, but later found out
> it not.
>
> If that isn't enough, they are also increased the alternative
> dinning fee to either $15.00 to $20.00. I don't really care for
> this. Any ideas on what can be done?
> Can we get intouch with Princess and file a complaint. I'm
> sailing with them this summer and really looking forward to it,
> but now I'm having 2nd thoughts.
>
> Very disillusioned,
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Old January 14th, 2001, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Princess new charges

With this new charge, are we still supposed to tip at the last nite of the cruise. I am not sure what to do now.
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Old February 15th, 2001, 05:25 PM
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Jean,
How did they get to $6.50 from $4.75--easy they just added 36%!

36%!

That's how.

I'm cruising GRAND on 3/4/01 and my first stop on board willb e to have them REMOVE the "automatic tips" from our accounts!
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Old February 16th, 2001, 12:55 AM
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I will do the same. have automatic tipping removed from my charge. going on Princess Golden 11/01 .
Peggy
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Old March 9th, 2001, 10:53 AM
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I just returned from a cruise on the Ocean Princess in February 01 and there was not automatic charging of tips to my account. What they do have, now, is the opportunity to PUT your tips on your shipboard account instead of handing out cash. This was quite convenient and the amounts are all up to you. They just ask you how much you want to give a person and give you a receipt which is given to the server in an envelope. Simple.

Perhaps it's just certain Princess ships which are doing this but it certainly wasn't my experience!
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