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Old April 16th, 2002, 09:01 AM
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After reading all the "kid" notes it occurs that it all comes down the respect. Respect for your fellow passengers, respect for the experience, and respect for yourself.

On a recent cruise there were two totally bratty kids. How did they get that way? Guess. The mother delighted in telling a story that another passenger had complained to the father because he was smoking in a non-designated area. The passenger asked the father to put the cigarette out. "OUT?" he said, "I'll put it UP your A**."

Delightful family. The mother was slopping all over the pool deck telling this to anyone who would listen.

It took me a while to figure out why they weren't in the kids' program. They were bounced the first day. The mother was also quite vocal about the tight-a** counselers in the kiddie gulag.

She had a VERY loud voice coming from a very filthy mouth.

We tend to remember the bad ones.

So, to balance, a "good kid" story. We were on an Alaska cruise and only saw two children the entire time, one a stroller-age and the other a young gent of about 11. I was standing by the rail, watching seals riding around on ice floes and he came up to me. He got my attention with a very quiet, "Excuse me, Ma'am." He wanted to know what I knew about seals since I was watching them so intently. We became buddies for the whole cruise. He was sweet, his parents were sweet ... so the good ones are out there ... they're just a little harder to find.
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Old April 16th, 2002, 09:18 AM
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Are you sure Roseanne wasn't on that cruise? Seriously after reading some of the posts on this board I'm thinking the next National Lampoons vacation movie should be a cruise vacation. Would be quite funny!
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Old April 16th, 2002, 10:22 AM
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Hi, We have been on many cruises and have never been bothered by children. i am very thankful for that. i guess I don't really agree that children shouldnt be on cruises but the point really is..... The children with the good parents who do show respect for the other cruisers are the ones who should be proud and feel so good about how well behaved there children are around others. Just because I have never had any problems with other peoples children, doesnt mean there aren't children out there that can put a damper on you vacation. I myself would never take my grand children on a cruise. They went to Disney and were perfect angels. When they are older and can afford to cruise themselves, well then they will be old enough to cruise.... Get my point. HAHA Only 10 more days to go...... Inspiration here we come! Char
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Old April 16th, 2002, 11:34 AM
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Pam, well said. "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" ? Dating yourself again <G>

Char, about 10 days till we also cruise (Pride)! Cruise on! Have a great one!

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Old April 16th, 2002, 12:38 PM
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Disr-e-s-p-e-c-t-ful people are everywhere. Sadly it seems like there are more and more of them? Is the reason because as we grow older we realize it more, or, are there just more rude people out there? Maybe it's a tolerance issue? And, what is the best way to handle folks who are rude? Ignore or stick up for yourself? Sue Sue
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Old April 16th, 2002, 02:15 PM
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There are just more rude people. Americans in general are a rude people. More so when they are in a foriegn country. During my life, I have been in many foriegn lands and it does'nt take long for the locals to dislike us because of our arrogance and "better than you" attitudes. We area society of over indulgent, permissive, unhealthy and selfish people. Sure there are some really nice people out there...but they are becoming harder and harder to find.

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Old April 16th, 2002, 05:12 PM
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There are always a few who not only can't spell it but don't know the meaning of the word. Same for polite, consideration and appropriate behavior.
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Old April 16th, 2002, 07:50 PM
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Rick you are so right. We in America look down on people who serve us, tail each other on the highway because they can go faster in their cars and smoke in places where they are not allowed to. We make our own rules when we need to get our own way and fight to make someone look like a fool for the sake of getting our way. I used to open doors for ladies until one young women told me I was a pig and that she did not need a man to open a door for her and if she did she could choose her own. That says it all. I hope to God that the cruise we are on are free of disrespect. Peace to all
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Old April 16th, 2002, 08:44 PM
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I'm with you Mikey. I pray the cruise we are on does not have some of the people on it who I am reading about here!! I also think it's sad how many selfish people there are these days.
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Old April 17th, 2002, 12:41 PM
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Ah, but here is the question that has been in the hidden agendas all along.

Is it selfish of person X not to want to be seated at a table with a young family?

Is it selfish of person Y to think that his/her young children should be allowed to run wild (or even contained) on a cruise?

Is it selfish to say, "This is my cruise, I paid for it and I will dress/do as I darned well please"?

Is is selfish for non-smokers to complain about the people who smoke on the smoking side of the ship?

There are no easy answers for attitudes and that's really the key.

I don't think it is "selfish" to have certain expectations for a vacation on land or at sea. There are ways to make sure your expectations are fulfilled.

If you don't like kids running around on the pool deck, get a cabin with a balcony where you can hide out and relax at your own pace.

If you don't want to have dinner with a family which includes small children, request a table for two.

If you don't like smokers, book Paradise. If you don't like kids, book an upscale line that does not allow them.

It's all so easy to fix it in advance rather than complaining about it afterwards.

I still don't know what to do about the belching drunk in a too-small Speedo. That will take some thinking.

Like it or not, when we cruise we become part of a loosely-constituted community. As in any community, respect for others is one of the basic rules of life.

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Old April 17th, 2002, 01:12 PM
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Default I think I am go to disagree a little bit with Pamda

"If you don't like kids running around on the pool deck, get a cabin with a balcony where you can hide out and relax at your own pace."

I for one, can certainly tolerate a "reasonable" amount of kids running around the pool deck, but "out-of-control" kids is something else (of course my definition of 'reasonable' and 'out-of-control' may be different than others .

"If you don't want to have dinner with a family which includes small children, request a table for two."

We like to be at big tables even when we don't bring our kids as it is nice to meet other people. Whether or not your table mates have children with them or are totally boring (maybe we are the boring ones , my feeling is that "you takes your chances".

"If you don't like smokers, book Paradise."

I don't like smoke and we have booked the Paradise for our next cruise. I can tolerate the smoke in the casino (especially on those rare occasions when I actually win!). I do believe that there is a middle ground for the smokers and non-smokers, but that perhaps is for another topic. I would say tha it is strange that the Paradise is the only ship that is non-smoking, so obviously it is not economically fesible now to have more of them.

"If you don't like kids, book an upscale line that does not allow them."

I don't feel that it is unreasonable to expect parents to keep the kids "reasonably" behaved. Of course, there have been a lot of adults on cruises that have behaved well either

JMHO

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Old April 17th, 2002, 02:02 PM
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Barry ...

You probably made my point better than I did.

"You pays your money and you takes your chances."

Paying different monies and making careful choices just may eliminate some hassles.
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Old April 17th, 2002, 02:21 PM
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I think the key here is to just be considerate of others cruisers. Obviously you can't take issue with every little thing but I think it's reasonable to expect some courtesy from fellow cruisers. My husband and I love to people watch so we don't mind a few "colorful" people as it gives us a good laugh.
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Old April 25th, 2002, 07:55 PM
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Mikey,
Now don't stop opening the door for ladies. That is a fine gentleman thing to do.
Next time you get lambasted for doing that, simply apologize and say. I mistook you for a lady.
I think I would have made a point to be in front of that person again, and open the door again and again. HA! I guess I could get shot like that.
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Old April 26th, 2002, 03:46 PM
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Hey, at least we have read these boards and some of us will think twice/thrice about the decisions we make(non smoking ships, whether or not to bring our children, throwing the tight speedo drunk guy in the sea) so that we will have the best cruise experience. There are decisions we can make on board after the fact that can ease the pain also. Contact security if necessary. Out of control children are not only annoying, they are in danger. Unsupervised children, a big empty ocean, a lot of strangers, unenforced drinking ages, slippery decks and steep staircases. How scary is that?? The little kids can be in danger, but the teenagers(esp. girls) should also be carefully guided and warned. (This spoken as a former teenage girl on a cruise ship!!)

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